Is there any excuse for intentional ignorance of current events?

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Is there any valid justification for someone who has access to various forms of media (magazines, newspapers, TV, internet, etc.) to be unaware of what is going on in the world? Justification for intentionally shielding oneself from the details of international elections, disasters, and other current events?
This should be read as an honestly open question, not as an attempted indictment of anyone. I think there may be a justification, but I'm not sure what it is. The only one I can think of is if someone believes that the human mind has a limit of information that it can absorb, and they'd rather use that limit on other information, such as art, philosophy, erotic fantasy, whatever.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"The news is so depressing."

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that a valid excuse?

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Oddly enough I was writing something about this a bit for my ILMIXOR blog entry (still in the works).

'Awareness' is a loaded issue -- there's immediate shock news, after all, and then there's something that could be building or lingering for a while, that's not obviously a problem or concern but in retrospect turns out to be something that should have been at the forefront all along.

As a citizen, I always felt it was important to know at least something of what was going on, allowing for whatever oversimplifications or distortions could be occurring -- still do, and I do pay attention to particular issues or concerns I've had a long-standing interest in. But I wouldn't pretend to know everything, I certainly don't pretend to feel every calamity (lethal or not) deeply, and I'm just as interested in tuning out as tuning in.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Really, it's not about looking for excuses, it's about looking for reasons. Newspaper editors are asking themselves this question ten times a day, every day. Why does no one read newspapers anymore? There's no "excuse," per se, but there are social conditions that make it so.

Disillusionment with government and politics, and an all-encompassing (but probably completely false) sense of security are two possible things I can think of.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

What ever is going on in the world doesn't affect the price of snow crabs to a fisherman.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

But I'm talking about intentional ignorance, actively avoiding this information, not just not being exposed to certain stories. (xpost to Ned)

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, blaming the morons is fun and all, but there are too many morons to write them off that way anymore. They are the majority, and they are not morons. They do not keep up with current events because they do not feel they should. Now why is that?

It's a big question.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It depends on the person and the current event in question. I shield myself from most news concerning celebrities, for example, because they don't really interest me. But some would find such behaviour criminal.

But i don't think there is an inherent responsibility for people to "know" things, except maybe you'd lose the right to complain when people talk about things you don't know, maybe.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Disillusionment with government and politics, and an all-encompassing (but probably completely false) sense of security are two possible things I can think of.

-- Fish fingers all in a line (fluxion2...), February 17th, 2005 10:20 AM. (kenan)

But again, are these valid reasons? You seem to think that the second isn't valid.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

What does one person gain from being informed? It's a waste of time for someone who has no intention of doing anything with that information. e.g. someone who isn't going to change his/her lifestyle or decisions based on world events.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

But I'm talking about intentional ignorance, actively avoiding this information, not just not being exposed to certain stories. (xpost to Ned)

Yes, but it could be argued that actively avoiding the warnings and reports and arguments of various pressure groups *is* ignorance, is it not?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Can you actively pursue passively a voiding the outside?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the following ideas are least tenable, if not entirely valid:

1. Information addiction is a bad thing, as is the addiction to anything consumable.
2. That which gets reported and discussed as "current events", and the way in which that stuff gets reported and discussed, may be pretty far away from what's really happening.
3. There may be more important things to concentrate on.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

But i don't think there is an inherent responsibility for people to "know" things, except maybe you'd lose the right to complain when people talk about things you don't know, maybe.

-- ken c (pykachu10...), February 17th, 2005 10:23 AM. (ken c)

This is interesting.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The first part of it at least.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard an NPR interview on this a few years ago - about intelligent people who have stopped reading/watching the news completely. One woman did not know that the Berlin wall had been taken down until about a month after the it was in the news. But her explanation was - if it's really important, I'll find out about it eventually.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

2. That which gets reported and discussed as "current events", and the way in which that stuff gets reported and discussed, may be pretty far away from what's really happening.

yes: often I find myself actively avoiding reportage of various news stories because I'm so distrustful of the media/the sources, and have doubts about being any better informed after consuming the story. However, I also know that when a story DOES hook me in, I have a vague compulsion to track it through as many agencies as possible - I can't do this for everything because of a) information overload, b) time constraints.

I think awareness of current events is pretty crucial in principle, but actually harder than expected in practice.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I think awareness of current events is pretty crucial in principle

Crucial to what, though ?

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes. I'm thinking about that part a lot right now. I guess there IS, to a certain extent a responsibility of gathering information, for making informed judgements/actions.

But where must be a line drawn, surely? There are a lot of information about which very much have no impact on any decisions that you have to ever make, are those pieces of information important to know?

That kind of forms the ill expressed second part of my post, it was really just an example of situations that may arise, when you have to make an opinion/judgement of something that you previously had no need to make, should you be expected to have known EVERYTHING just in case?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

If I did pay attention to world events, if I spent more time trying to absorb information from the invariably noisy, unfocused sources that present the daily/weekly/hourly news from the globe, what would I do with that information? I used to be a news junkie and used to go to all sorts of lengths to keep as up-to-date as spossible on everything under the sun. Now I'm older, and I find the vast majority of "news" to be thoroughly irrelevant or at the worst, truly nothing new at all. I pay attention to specific sources of information relevant to my job and my personal interests. If there is an issue that concerns or interests me out there in the broader world beyond my home and office, I usually end up wanting more information than the usual suspects in the world of "news" have to offer me.

Essentially, I have found more enjoyable ways of wasting my time than reading one story after another about the world far beyond my range of influence. I wouldn't really call my process active avoidance so much as simply not seeking it out at all. If I do load up a news page for whatever reason, I tend to avoid 90% of the noise in favor of my own specific, usually local, interests - maybe that counts. I just don't care. When I did care, I think it was about 'feeling smart' much more than it ever was about a real concern for what was going on or the people and places involved.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

One of my best friends, a gay man, went to Nevada to work on the get out the vote efforts during the election and was so deeply depressed at the result that he has deemed it healthy not to follow politics for a while. Being a news junkie type myself who feels it's a citizen's duty to stay informed, I was unsympathetic at first, but now feel he has to do what he can for his wellbeing.

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha I used to listen to NPR ALL THE TIME. Now I can't stand it. Near-total irrelevance, perfectly enunciated, 24 hours a day with breaks in between for crap old people music.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just gonna let dave225 take it from here.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I used to be a news junkie and used to go to all sorts of lengths to keep as up-to-date as spossible on everything under the sun. Now I'm older, and I find the vast majority of "news" to be thoroughly irrelevant or at the worst, truly nothing new at all.

But would you be able to recognize most news as being nothing new if you had never been a news junkie? I think learning about current events, esp. in relation to history, is essential to understanding the way the world works. The interplay between economics and politics affects all life on this planet. Most news is indeed not new, but I think plotting the rise and fall of economies and civilazations is, yeah, kind of important. And if you intentionally cut yourself off from all but what interests you, you run a high risk of never seeing the patterns, and a high risk of developing uninformed opinions on things that affect you directly.

Not that any of that really matters re: the thread question. If most people are cutting themselves off from the news for whatever reason, the only thing to ask is "why?"

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Of my three ideas, I think the thrid one is the most valid.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

But i don't think there is an inherent responsibility for people to "know" things, except maybe you'd lose the right to complain when people talk about things you don't know, maybe.

People who choose not to know things get the glorious privelege of having all their decisions made for them.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Not that most decisions aren't made for them, anyway, but call me a starry-eyed idealist.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm more likely to call you an idealist for thinking you can know stuff.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I've cut back NPR from a few hours a day to about ten minutes at the top of the hour when I drive home - if they're talking about something interesting.

I think it's good to find a source to keep up generally on what's happening - for me, it's NY Times (cursory skimming), Daily Show and ILX. .. A pretty shameful diet, I suppose.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm more likely to call you an idealist for thinking you can know stuff.

Oh come on. What, did you just read the Illuminatus Trlogy? You can know stuff. You can't know everything, and sure at some point you have to base your opinions on assumptions, but there's nothing unrealistic about thinking you can be better informed.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there is something unrealstic about that, and I think it's kind of sad that you've got to throw out the old "ooh, you gonna tell me it's all a conspiracy?" bullshit at me. There are a lot of dopes in journalism; there are also a lot of worldly pressures (overwork, the need to sell advertizing, personal biases of editors and journalists, the need for speed) that work pretty viciously against the possibility of even good reporters getting stories right. I think everyone who's ever been involved in anything picked up by the press, whether it's a local story or a big ass international deal, has seen that the story is nearly never reported as they saw it happen -- so I think you're a dope if you trust the media even if you don't believe that it's all a big conspiracy.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorting the information you receive is a life skill nowadays, I think. I agree with you -- I'm not talking about implicitly trusting the media. But neither can you ignore it.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

for all the "sky is falling" reports about how most young people get their news from the daily show, i truly believe that show has given people some great critical tools (seeing through spin control, pursuing a story for the real truth) that might not have been so well-honed before. the "sky is falling" stories are just indicators of how scared of this the mainstream news sources really are.

stockholm cindy's secret world with martin bashir (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

See one Jeff Gannon...

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Beefcake!

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Jody OTM, as well. There's also nothing unrealistic about thinking that the media could be informing us better than it does.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

you stoned slacker!

stockholm cindy's secret world with martin bashir (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"But neither can you ignore it."

Yes, you can. And if it's stopping you from, I dunno, recovering from cancer or finishing your novel, you should.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

That answers the thread question, I think. Is there any excuse? Yes: cancer.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been considering periodicaly "shutting off" for a period of weeks or more, just to get some occasional perspective. I mean, awareness is great, but if you're not actually determining public policy, I don't think you have to be aware of current events and media saturation is such that it can dominate your life to an unhealthy degree - sometimes I get tired of the anger and the fear of not being in-the-know.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer OTM.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

sometimes I get tired of the anger and the fear of not being in-the-know

me too. You forgot "frustration."

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I asked this question because I feel like while I have a vague grasp of what's going on in the world and my community that's important, I don't really make any effort to go beneath the headlines and absorb the whole story or keep up to date on what's going on all the time or dig up the stuff that might not make it to the mainstream media, and while I feel kind of guilty about it, I don't really feel like I'm missing out on anything or feel that my life is lacking because of it.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Being a high court judge. Unless the trial's in the news and you're still ignorant of it.

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 17 February 2005 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)


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