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You've been 86'ed! What are the etymological roots of this idiom?

Jay-Kid (Jay-Kid), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Restaurants, surely.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

???

Jay-Kid (Jay-Kid), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

http://www.yaelf.com/aueFAQ/mifeightysixnix.shtml

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

eight·y-six or 86 (ā'tē-sĭks')
tr.v. Slang., eight·y-sixed or 86·ed, eight·y-six·ing or 86·ing, eight·y-six·es or 86·es.

1. To refuse to serve (an unwelcome customer) at a bar or restaurant.
2.
1. To throw out; eject.
2. To throw away; discard.

[Perhaps after Chumley's bar and restaurant at 86 Bedford Street in Greenwich Village, New York City.]

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

I was told it came from Chumley's too. It was a speak and when they got raided they'd tell the patrons to leave out the back. Eventually this came to mean being ejected from the bar.

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

hmm, i always thot it was a ww2 term, like most good slang.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

I aassumed it was police code .. "we've got an 86 here" -> "the guy's been 86ed"

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

in waiter-speak, it also means when the restaurant is out of an item. like "we're 86'ed on grey goose vodka, shiraz by the glass, durian ice cream, and yellowfin tuna"

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

At least regionally, "86" is a bad omen. For example, in Saskatchewan, there are no buildings with 86th Floors.

Huk-L, Friday, 18 February 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

I aassumed it was police code .. "we've got an 86 here" -> "the guy's been 86ed"

i think you are confusing it with 187 - which is murder.

Jay-Kid (Jay-Kid), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

Or 50th. Or even 20th. (xpost)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

EIGHTY SIX (86)
For those not familiar with the expression, to ‘eighty-six’ something in a restaurant is to indicate you are out of that item.
There are many stories of the origin of this expression. Here are a few of them. #1 and #2 seem more likely to me, but who knows!

1) Chumley's, a bar in Greenwich Village, which during speakeasy days through unruly customers out the back door, which is number 86 Bedford Street - they were '86'd.'

2) Same bar, Chumley's same time period - the front door address was 86 Worth Street and there was a chalk board inside the front door with the address painted across the top - the chalkboard was were items that had been sold out were posted - it soon became known as the '86' board.

3) Same time period, maybe the same bar, when a new customer (not a regular) came into the speakeasy, the bartender would '86' them - serve them 86 proof booze instead of the 100 or higher proof stuff reserved for the regulars.

4) Similar to #3: drunks were given 86 proof booze instead of higher proof stuff they had been drinking.

5) Same city, different restaurant - Delmonico's at the turn of the century had a menu with more than 100 items. They always seemed to be out of #86, and it became an expression used by the service staff meaning to be out of something - 86'd.

6) Same city (New York) The old Manhattan subway route ended at 86th Street. That's it, all out, can't go further, everybody out. You were 86'd.

7) A grave is 8 feet long, 6 feet deep. 86'd.

8) French soldiers in WW I were issued 85 bullets - 86 and that's it!

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if phil-two's example has a different origin than the getting kicked out of the bar one does, as in no. 5 above?

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

"If you don't get that mix it's gone eighty-six"

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

lets 51 this motherfucker

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