The Fox Hunting Ban.

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From this article... http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1418667,00.html

Among those making a show of defiance was Otis Ferry, son of the rock star Bryan, who took his protest to the heart of government last year by storming the House of Commons. Ferry, master of the South Shropshire Hunt, said yesterday: 'We feel persecuted. We know these people, the urban population, hate us deeply.'

Well yes, he is right. we do hate them.
Actually I have no strong feelings on hunting either way but if it attracts people like Brian Ferry's son then it is nice to see them getting all upset and feeling victimised. Has anyone on this site ever been hunting. What are the people really like? Are they all as annoying as master Ferry here?

― Paul Kelly (kelly), Monday, 21 February 2005 06:03 (twenty years ago)

Well they all kill animals for fun, so...

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 21 February 2005 06:13 (twenty years ago)

so you're willing to ban something cos people who do it are 'annoying'?

― NRQ, Monday, 21 February 2005 09:58 (twenty years ago)

NRQ, NB:

Actually I have no strong feelings on hunting either way

I don't much care either way either, but note again, w/some disgust the tendency of the priveliged to play the "victim" card. (see also the spectator, like, every issue they ever print, forever & ever.)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 21 February 2005 10:02 (twenty years ago)

obviously i don't like these people either. but the obvious irony is that this measure was held up by... the house of lords! labour is keen to get rid of a cultural practice of the aristocracy, but won't impinge on its political power. i don't want to get shouted down for ultra-radicalism, but in sodding 1912 we were cloer to a resolution on this than we seem to be now. that said i think the law is stupid and illiberal.

― NRQ, Monday, 21 February 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

It does not bother me if it is banned and I think that this holds true for much of the country. we have more pressing concerns quite frankly. Labour done it because they promised to well before 97 but it is now something that they wish would go away. I was just a bit curious as to whether anyone on the site had any direct experience of hunting. I am one of the urban dwellers of which Master Ferry speaks, hunting is something I know nothing about.

― Paul Kelly (kelly), Monday, 21 February 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

"We have more pressing concerns" - so we should ignore all but the most pressing?

I'm not urban nor from the country. The idea that people who don't live on farm can't understand hunting is stupid. Paul, you DO know something about hunting, you've seen a lot about it on TV and in print, and you know what happens on a hunt, right? Then you're qualified to have an opinion.

I've seen a fox hunt go past as I was out walking.

Fox hunting is a game where a pack people get pleasure from hunting an animal to death. I think thast makes it important.

There's not a qualitiative difference between that and torturing prisoners for fun. It's the same mentality, the same adrenalin rush.

― mei (mei), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

There's not a qualitiative difference between that and torturing prisoners for fun. It's the same mentality, the same adrenalin rush.

erm, so eating animals is like eating humans?

― NRQ, Monday, 21 February 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

To be fair man, that aint what the person was saying.

― CRW (CRW), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

to be fair, saying that there's 'no qualitative difference' between torturing animals and torturing people implies exactly that. leaving aside the bigger question of how we treat animals that we eat.

― NRQ, Monday, 21 February 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

No, NRQ, it really doesn't: saying that there's 'no qualitative dfifference' between torturing one type of living creature and torturing another type is not the same as saying that there is no qualitative difference between eating one type of living creature and eating another. Mei seems to be saying that the mentality that enjoys torture is the same, whether it's torturing a member of its own species or an animal; you can't just extrapolate that to 'the mentality that would treat animals as food is the same as a mentality that would treat its own species as food'.

― box box box box box (cis), Monday, 21 February 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

Many serial killers begin their lives torturing animals - Jeffrey Dahmer and Peter Sutcliffe for instance. I think that there is a link between the torture or murder of animals and that of humans. Are you telling me that those who enjoy fox hunting would really, honestly bat an eyelid if it was a black person being chased through the hills? Trace back their lineage and it wouldn't surprise me if they were discovered as slave traders or something. I certainly never see any non-whites at fox hunts. Likewise, you think these people would honestly be upset at the thought of bear-baiting or bullfighting? There is an innate sadism in human nature that very few of us manage to bypass completely in favour of compassion. Someone like Jane Goodall, for instance, I'm not fit to breath the same air as.

― CRW (CRW), Monday, 21 February 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

Is that Calum posting above me?

― Fat Anarchy on Airtube (ex machina), Monday, 21 February 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Mei seems to be saying that the mentality that enjoys torture is the same, whether it's torturing a member of its own species or an animal; you can't just extrapolate that to 'the mentality that would treat animals as food is the same as a mentality that would treat its own species as food'.

why not?

Are you telling me that those who enjoy fox hunting would really, honestly bat an eyelid if it was a black person being chased through the hills?

yes!

Trace back their lineage and it wouldn't surprise me if they were discovered as slave traders or something.

have you been beating your wife again?

Likewise, you think these people would honestly be upset at the thought of bear-baiting or bullfighting?

interesting question, don't know. probably they'd consider these a bit 'non-u'.

― NRQ, Monday, 21 February 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

When I said 'qualitively' I meant that the two things are different degrees of the same sort of thing, rather than completely different things.

― mei (mei), Monday, 21 February 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

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