Oh this should end well -- Armed Volunteers("Minutemen") to Patrol Arizona/Mexico Border

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Minutemen' to Patrol Arizona Border

Mon Feb 21, 1:14 PM ET
U.S. National - AP

By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Intent on securing the vulnerable Arizona border from illegal immigrant crossings, U.S. officials are bracing for what they call a potential new threat this spring: the Minutemen.

Nearly 500 volunteers have already joined the Minuteman Project, anointing themselves civilian border patrol agents determined to stop the immigration flow that routinely, and easily, seeps past federal authorities. They plan to patrol a 40-mile stretch of the southeast Arizona border throughout April when the tide of immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border peaks.

"I felt the only way to get something done was to do it yourself," said Jim Gilchrist, a retired accountant and decorated Vietnam War veteran who is helping recruit Minutemen across the country.

"We've been repeatedly accused of being people who are taking the law into our own hands," said Gilchrist, 56, of Aliso Viejo, Calif. "That is an outright bogus statement. We are going down there to assist law enforcement."

Officials concede the 370-mile Arizona border is the most porous stretch on the U.S.-Mexico line. Moreover, recent intelligence show that al-Qaida terrorists are likely to enter the country through the Mexico border, James Loy, the deputy secretary of the Homeland Security Department, said last week.

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Officials fear the Minuteman patrols could cause more trouble than they prevent. At least some of the volunteers plan to arm themselves during the 24-hour desert patrols. Many are untrained and have little or no experience in confronting illegal border crossings.

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Civilian patrols are nothing new along the southern border, where crossing the international line is sometimes as easy as stepping over a few rusty strands of barbed wire. But they usually are limited to small, informal groups, leaving organizers to believe the Minuteman Project is the largest of its kind on the southern border.

It may also prove to be a magnet for what Glenn Spencer, president of the private American Border Patrol, described as camouflage-wearing, weapons-toting hard-liners who might get a little carried away with their assignments.

"How are they going to keep the nutcases out of there? They can't control that," said Spencer, whose 40-volunteer group, based in Hereford, Ariz., has used unmanned aerial vehicles and other high-tech equipment to track and report the number of border crossings for more than two years...

Kingfish MuffMiner 2049er (Kingfish), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

now, for the other side of the story, you can go to http://www.minutemanproject.com/ to find out that

"http://www.minutemanproject.com/images/a%20flag%202.gif FREEDOM DON'T COME FOR FREE
http://www.minutemanproject.com/images/a%20flag%202.gif"


Which we all know is true. It costs at least a buck-fifty.

Kingfish MuffMiner 2049er (Kingfish), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

dammit. the font tags don't work...

Kingfish MuffMiner 2049er (Kingfish), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

yeah this has been going on for awhile to be honest (although maybe not this specific organization); you'd think they'd realize giving broder patrols MORE to worry about (like roving packs of serial killer militias) might maybe be detrimental to their 'cause' but there you go.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

but now they have the power of the internets to organize!

Kingfish MuffMiner 2049er (Kingfish), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

Broder patrols!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

They're marching on the Post now...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 01:44 (twenty years ago)


"I'm hunting for little Mexican girls"

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

Hahahaha.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

we need breeder patrols.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)


breeder petrol

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

I am so going to be laughing at the Broder patrol idea and picture post for some time to come. Stroke of genius.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe I was ignorant of hippie KY.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)

http://www.naafa.org/images/hall_of_fame/william_howard_taft.jpg


I was a very fat president. Very fat.

William Howard Taft, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

http://www.louisville.edu/a-s/cml/spanish/la/daydead/images/deadfml.gif

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

ORNALDO BLOOMPS IN: BRODER PRATOL

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

It'll only be a matter of time before we Canadians follow suit and start patrolling our border. Of course, we have no guns, and for the most part we LIKE Americans, and welcome their currency, so it will be more like a welcoming committee than a bunch of Bronson-esque vigilantes, but we like to be involved.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

http://members.aol.com/wdwylie/1862-Gainesville-TX.jpg
http://members.aol.com/wdwylie/1860-1869.htm
Check the last line in above link.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

That baby had it coming.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, little bastard.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Ned PWNED my thread about this so:


http://www.registerguard.com/news/2005/02/14/ed.edit.minuteman.0214.html
"This is a direct challenge to President Bush," said Chris Simcox, an organizer of the Minuteman Project. "You have continued to ignore this problem. Our state officials, senators and congressmen will do nothing. So this is a last-ditch effort to roll up our sleeves and do it ourselves."

But it's an effort the Border Patrol neither wants nor needs. Border Patrol agents note that they deal with armed drug smugglers every day. The prospect of hundreds of armed citizens roaming the desert in search of illegal immigrants is alarming and unwelcome.

However well-intentioned organizers of the Minuteman Project may be, it has whipped up genuine enthusiasm on neo-Nazi and white supremacy Web sites. As a result, the Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, is monitoring the project closely.

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With their keen interest in security and surveillance, they could work as civilian contractors at Green Zone checkpoints in Baghdad, or help train Iraqi police recruits.

Fat Anarchy on Airtube (ex machina), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

"[states not volunteering: Delaware, Vermont, New Hampshire, N.Dakota]"

Fat Anarchy on Airtube (ex machina), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

http://www.heute.de/ZDFde/img/1/0,1886,2278849,00.jpg

I think there should be a Brody patrol. Keep him out of this country!

Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

"You have continued to ignore this problem. Our state officials, senators and congressmen will do nothing. So this is a last-ditch effort to roll up our sleeves and do it ourselves."

I shall start a volunteer posse to inspect all cargo containers coming in to San Pedro, since fucking George Bush won't do it.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

I would tend to think fucking George Bush does nobody any good.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

David Broder might disagree.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

That's why Laura always looks depressed.

x-post

Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cesnur.org/2003/laura_bush.jpg

"Heh...yeah...I know...*sigh*"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

I'm trying to imaging Laura and W doing rails together at 9:00AM.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

i hate to mention this cuz frankly it's just another depressing fucking aspect of america right now but has anyone experienced or heard of weird ass 'politically driven' (ie hate crime) crimes against illegal aliens in their communities? at least twice now i've read of serial criminals or gangs of people targeting illegal aliens, luring them with promises of work, and then taking them whereever beating the shit out of them and robbing them. both times i've read about this or seen a report on local news it's turned out to be some gang of right wing white youth and i'm wondering how widespread this phenom is.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

It'll only be a matter of time before we Canadians follow suit and start patrolling our border. Of course, we have no guns, and for the most part we LIKE Americans, and welcome their currency, so it will be more like a welcoming committee than a bunch of Bronson-esque vigilantes, but we like to be involved.

uh, you guys have guns, didn't you see "Bowling for Columbine?" And if you like Americans and welcome our currency, how come your customs people are such assholes?

blount - I think that's been going on for a while, though I doubt that anybody's really covered it on a large, national scale. I know out on Long Island there's been similar incidents.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

i mean i hate to give dubya ANY credit, especially since alot of it's due to rovian calculation, and especially since it's pretty much just a rhetorical shit than any substantial policy shit but anything that marginalizes the anti-immigrant viewpoint (which is still not marginalized enough - michelle malkin makes a living shilling this) is an improvement, even if it is just pandering for votes or fatcats realizing what "we" rip off from them in cheap labor more than makes up for however "they" "bleed" social services (which the gop can gut anyhow).

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

http://fantax86.altervista.org/Eddie%20Guerrero.jpg

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

yeah but blount, it was Clinton who signed that legislation in, what 1996?, that really villified immigrants. Way worse than anything Dubya's done (remember Amnesty? well at least he tried).

Dom, Eddie was born in America.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...
Oh the tears that I shed for them:

Jim Gilchrist, the Orange County accountant who gained national recognition as the co-founder of a citizen border patrol group, will ask a judge this afternoon to issue a restraining order in order to regain control of the Minuteman Project.

Earlier this month, Gilchrist was removed by his board of directors, which accused the charismatic anti-illegal-immigrant figure of abusing his power. Minuteman Project officials said they will detail their allegations at a press conference later this afternoon.

The rift, Gilchrist said, "could very well bring an end to the entire Minuteman Project. There are groups around the country with the name, but we are the most well known and the most powerful."

Gilchrist said he did nothing wrong. His opponents, he said, are motivated by "a greed for power and a false perception of an endless stream of money."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 06:54 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

I was at a recording studio earlier this month in Tornillo - the border fence is actually on the property. It is really bizarre to see it - there are no guards or anything, just this big fence running waaaay down thataway and waaaaay down the other way.

worm? lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:44 (sixteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

http://trueslant.com/jeffhoard/2009/06/14/minuteman-group-arrested-for-murdering-family/

StanM, Sunday, 14 June 2009 19:21 (sixteen years ago)

Minutemen brace for possible backlash http://www.gvnews.com/articles/2009/06/13/breaking_news/01arivacasidebar614.txt

StanM, Sunday, 14 June 2009 19:27 (sixteen years ago)

I just posted this whole Ballad of Shawna Ford, as told by our mutual hometown newspaper, here and no one replied : (

Shawna Forde I Love You, But You're Bringing Me Down (or Crazy Minuteman Lady Who Lives in My Town Kills Mexican-American Man and His 9-Year Old Daughter in Home Invasion)

The Reverend, Monday, 15 June 2009 00:00 (sixteen years ago)


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