Young Professionals C or D?

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Work in the office all day, live for the weekend so you can get drunk, drink heavily in the week too if you can, but it doesn't matter cos now you got a pay cheque. Is this what you wanted when you were 15? Or 20? Is it?

Zar the Merciless, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

better than young horror journalists.

Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

so what age do you stop being a young professional?

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

28, unless you lose your job first.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

I thought this was a pretty valid thread. Something myself and one of my best buddies were discussing lately.

Zar, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

I was a YP all through my 20's so classic obv

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

I was a young office worker - but not a professional. (Now I am a professional - but I'm no longer young).

Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

This accounts for 98% of ILX, doesn't it?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Its the lack of ambition, passion, love... anything. That's my experience. Maybe it's a bad one but it's mine all the same.

Zar, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

Maybe you should join the Army

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

I always thought "Young Professional" was just flatshare-ad code for "Middle Class".

Huey (Huey), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Indeed. Well, middle class and under forty.

RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

n.
1. A person following a profession, especially a learned profession.
2. One who earns a living in a given or implied occupation: hired a professional to decorate the house.
3. A skilled practitioner; an expert.

This clearly doesn't relate to white collar office workers - so why are they tarred with the brush "professional"? As I say, it's just a code.

Huey (Huey), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it is what I wanted, thanks for asking.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

I guess I count as a Young Professional - except that I hardly ever go out and get drunk.

I'm always amused when scanning through BDSM personal ads sites (for amusement only, I hasten to add) and see people who have ticked the "Professional" box thinking it means "well-off", when in that context it actually means "i take money to fulfil your perverted fantasies"

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

every night i sleep with a couple of beautiful women on top of a large pile of money

Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

*gasp*

alix (alix), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

Don't all the notes stick to you when you get sweaty?

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

the coins certainly do chafe a tad

Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

What's being described in this question isn't really a 'young professional', just a certain kind of twat.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

how unlikely of calum to mis-label and generalise

Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

Young Squaddies C or D?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

Is this what you wanted when you were 15? Or 20? Is it?

this is the key thing. this is the age period where you're constantly questioning society as well as existence in general but because no satisfactory answer can really be found to such questions (tho you can be deluded into thinking otherwise by some cod-philosophical texts at university or distracted via hedonistic pursuits such as 'joining a rock n' roll band' and/or smoking/drinking so much that you spend your later life just trying to deal with the consequences of that). so why do people always assume that 'you had it sussed' then? and that joining the ratrace or whatever is a betrayal of the 'values' (no sell out) you championed then (smashing the system OR becoming a gazillionaire magically somehow, tho often a confusing mixture of both)?

to be honest tho i walk past pubs every night in the week on my way home from work and see suited people in there and i do wonder if they'll be in there the next night, and the night after that, and the night after that...as it seems many people are - and as an ambitious but lazy and easily distracted YP myself i do sometimes judgementally wonder how some can be seemingly so lacking in ambition themselves

Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

(the fact that they're wearing suits is not really relevant at all so ignore that)

Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

what mdc and mark said, i guess. i'm maybe not a typical young professional but yeah, i'm doing exactly what i wanted when to when i was 15 or 20, so...

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Classic because they're good at something, dud because they're so smug about it.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

hey who's being smug? oh, right.

Yes, it is what I wanted, thanks for asking.
-- Markelby (boyincorduro...), February 22nd, 2005.

NR, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Sounds a fair enough ambition to me.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

of course many of us work with the spectre of the P45 not too far over our heads in these supposedly recessive (for 'creative'/media industries at least) times

Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Classic because they're good at something
Having a white collar job does not mean you're good at something.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

we're not just talking about white collar jobs tho are we? i haven't worn a white collar to work since a random temp job over five years ago.

Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

I thought as long as you weren't working in a mine or operating heavy machinery you were considered "white collar"?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

I think the whole idea of doing a 9 to 5 job in something that I am not 100% interested in is like torture. Seriously, my head goes numb and I look at every second on the clock. I definately need to be doing something I enjoy. I do not think I'm alone. I've never worked in an office where people are really happy to be there in the morning.

Zar, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

oh, how infinitely refined your sensibilities must be, C-Man.

NRQ, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

i went more specific than that Thermo but perhaps your (established) definition is still valid today, regardless of the salary range within 'white collar' world.

i've worked in offices where there's a vaguely cheerful atmosphere, perhaps because of a combination of people's career ambitions being low but their family and social lives being quite full (even if that means spending most of your time in the pub)... i also worked in a media studio which was like a morgue (everyone liked that kind of job but didn't like the boss or how the company was run) so it's horses for courses. and i've worked in a room all by myself which in a way may be the worst situation of the three.

also location strikes me as a big factor.

Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

I've never been sure, working as a designer, if my job qualified as white collar or not. I do spend much of my time at a desk, in an office - but at the same time I consider myself as being a tradesman. As much time as I do spend at my machine these days I do still use my hands at times - I have been trained in an "art" (the use of the term, art, may vary depending how cynical about the industry you may be). There certainly is a different outlook towards designers, as opposed to the marketers, salesmen, accountants, etc. that I deal with regularly.

Either way - I am young and a professional - but I do what I enjoy (sometimes); what I wanted to do since I was 15. I didn't stumble upon some corporate job after graduating with a business degree because I had no clue what I really did want to do. Those are the types of "young professionals" that I would qualify as a dud.

And ya, Stevem - it certainly takes a certain type of personality to be able to work alone for much of the time and not go completely mad!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)


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