Pope John paul II likens abortion to Holocaust

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Bully Churchill, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"We didn't do anything to stop that, either."

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40782000/jpg/_40782459_pope_body_ap.jpg

"Lalala I'm not listening LALALA FINGERS IN MY EARS"

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

someone please photoshop turntables in front of him

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:31 (twenty-one years ago)

and yet gays who want to marry are "evil"

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

yup. he's catholic.

f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Given JP's health over the last few years, his reluctance to make definite statements on much of anything when he isn't issuing an encyclical (granted, abortion is an exception here), and Ratzinger's heavy involvement in anything that comes out of the office that isn't a feel-good speech, it's hard to believe this book is solely the Pope's work. I'm not saying the sentiment isn't his, but his dislike of conflict usually keeps him vague and diplomatic.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

This smells like Ratzinger, all right. Pope John Paul II would not be this parochial-minded or stubbornly inflexible (or, as you put it, his normal modus operandi is being "vague and diplomatic"). I can only hope that the pope either immediately succeeding JPII or the one after that one can manage to be catholic (in its non-religious as well as religious meaning) enough to be able to repair all the damage all of JPII's assistants have been inflicting upon the Church ever since JPII's illness has rendered him unable to operate at his usual full capacity.

Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The one good thing about the fact that we even know how much influence Ratzinger has, is that it means there's no way he'd ever be considered for the papacy, and likewise that the next Pope can't really afford to rely on him in as prominent a role. I mean, he won't disappear, but it's like with Presidents appointing new cabinets -- you have to make it clear that you're the power, not just a substitute teacher.

There are so many different threads to the Church right now, though, that I don't even claim anymore to be able to make an educated guess what direction things will go in with the next Pope and his "administration."

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The one good thing about the fact that we even know how much influence Ratzinger has, is that it means there's no way he'd ever be considered for the papacy, and likewise that the next Pope can't really afford to rely on him in as prominent a role.

Point taken, and thanks for making that astute analogy between the Pope and his cadre of cardinal assistants and the U.S. president and his (or her, in the future when such things will have become reality) cabinet. And you also make a good point about the proper relationship that should exist between the two.

Noteworthy: At last Sunday's Mass, a visiting priest delivered a homily so infuriating in its intolerance and ignorance that I literally could not see straight when it was being delivered. This priest painted a picture of the crusade for legalizing gay marriage as one of the great evils of this modern world, but not before claiming via association that St. Mary Magdalene was the prostitute whom Jesus administered to, which is not at all the case (Mary Magdalene was the one with the demons cast out of her; the prostitute in that particular Gospel story remained anonymous). These were just but two examples of the man's half-knowledge, made manifest by his rantings.

Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

this has been going thru "pro-life" circle forever, its in theresas nobel prize speech isnt it?

&it isnt oly ratzinger either, there is a whole cabal of right thinking conseratives who have placed themselves around the pope.

anthony, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 06:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes.

Did Lewis Carroll write this story?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Does the Pope like The Opening of Misty Beethoven?

Zar, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)

what, you mean the start of the 9th?

Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

yup. he's catholic.

... and Polish

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

"It was a legally elected parliament which allowed for the election of Hitler in Germany in the 1930s..."

"We have to question the legal regulations that have been decided in the parliaments of present day democracies. The most direct association which comes to mind is the abortion laws...

"Parliaments which create and promulgate such laws must be aware that they are transgressing their powers and remain in open conflict with the law of God and the law of nature."

I don't agree with what the Pope wrote, but isn't it irresponsible for the BBC to use the headline "Pope likens abortion to Holocaust"? I mean that's oversensationalism. He's saying not to accept laws of government as the absolute moral code and not to equate it with laws of God and nature. By using that headline and interviewing the president of Germany's Central Council for Jews and general tone of the article, it makes the debate about the Holocaust (oh look, the Pope's an insensitive fuck) and not about abortion.

alex in montreal, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The headline should probably be "[people complain that] The Pope likens abortion to Holocaust." It was sloppy for him to even let "Hitler" and "abortion" appear as examples of "what Parliament got wrong," because the complaint was predictable and the Holocaust/abortion comparison has been popular among pro-life activists for a long time. JP tends not to make those missteps, whereas Ratzinger wouldn't see it as one: he wants a contentious Church, and he and his sort are perfectly happy to use Nazi Germany comparisons against their opponents, like some kind of "I know you are, but what am I?" response to the decades of "you didn't stop Hitler" criticism leveled against the Church.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

and far right catholics have been using the idea of abortion as asuchwitz for a while, it has become incredibly common in the last 10 years (and far right protestants too...the splits in the body of christ are no longer denomational)

ie:
http://www.knightsite.com/kc9496/unborn15.htm
http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~an352208/TAH.html
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jan/05011206.html
and the especially lovely (ie sfnsfw)
http://www.whateveristrue.com/holocaust/

the first of those links is catholic, then protestant, then non demon, then protestant.

anthony, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

&it isnt oly ratzinger either, there is a whole cabal of right thinking conseratives who have placed themselves around the pope.

Point taken, yes.

And Tep in his most recent post could not be more OTM.

Surreal Addiction (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 24 February 2005 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

What, did the pope say that abortion never happened?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 24 February 2005 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

The one good thing about the fact that we even know how much influence Ratzinger has, is that it means there's no way he'd ever be considered for the papacy, and likewise that the next Pope can't really afford to rely on him in as prominent a role. I mean, he won't disappear, but it's like with Presidents appointing new cabinets -- you have to make it clear that you're the power, not just a substitute teacher.

-- Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, February 23, 2005 2:55 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

and what, Sunday, 10 June 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

Can't sing, can't act, can condemn abortionists a little.

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 10 June 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Has anyone been following the Bishop Williamson shenanigans? Here's a sensible, understated and well-reasoned piece on the whole matter:

http://truthisbeauty.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/the-crucifixion-of-bishop-williamson/

Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics), Saturday, 31 January 2009 00:08 (seventeen years ago)

Sample exert:

Good thing Jesus isn’t around in human form these days or He just might just find himself in a German prison, like Ernst Zundel or Germar Rudolf, or anyone else who dares to question the Holocaust™.

Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics), Saturday, 31 January 2009 00:08 (seventeen years ago)

Holy shit the comments over there are a perfect storm of crazy. Including someone non-ironically quoting from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Pancakes Hussein Obama (Pancakes Hackman), Saturday, 31 January 2009 00:25 (seventeen years ago)

Let’s start with the tens of millions of Christians killed in the Soviet Union under (mainly) Jewish Communists.

oh do tell

Courtney Love's Jew Loan Officer (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 31 January 2009 00:28 (seventeen years ago)

(mainly)

thanks for the qualifier!

velko, Saturday, 31 January 2009 00:31 (seventeen years ago)

what are AKJEWs as mentioned in the comments?

Sarah Jessica Parkour (Batty), Saturday, 31 January 2009 00:38 (seventeen years ago)

ashkenazi?

jews with ak-47s?

Courtney Love's Jew Loan Officer (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 31 January 2009 00:38 (seventeen years ago)

I am so reporting this bitch to the Elders of Zion. She can kiss her DSL account goodbye!

Courtney Love's Jew Loan Officer (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 31 January 2009 00:42 (seventeen years ago)

Jews, Catholics, Cunning Linguistics

xhuxk, Saturday, 31 January 2009 01:07 (seventeen years ago)


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