My terrible fight with a fucking asshole old man

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If I ever step on someone's toes unintentionally, I try to be inoffensive and polite. On the other hand I can be stubborn and if someone intentionally fucks with me I bite back hard. That's what led to this terrible fight I had today!!

This happened at a broken down "flea market" on the outskirts of town here in upstate NY. I went there to buy a vanload of books because I deal those for a living. The place is more like a dump than a business and hardly anyobdy ever goes there. Seriously, I was looking around inside this place- and I went too far into the shadowy back area,s and I was climbing over piles of lumber and rugs to get to the hidden corners, and some guy came back to tell me not to go farther because it was dangerous. The junk is stacked 7 layers deep and there's thousands of books on really tall narrow shelves and other places they are just piled haphazardly. Some of the shelves have collapsed so you have to kind of feel your way through a maze of aisles to find the ones that aren't full of rubble. It's a lot of garbage, but someone who knows books well can find some out of print books worth a few bucks amongst the shit. I was going to pick them up for $15 per banana box.

So the place was freezing cold, and after I looked around for a few minutes i went outside to get hat & gloves from my van. When I got outside there was some old man there and he told me "move that piece of shit right now". Apparently I was parked in a space reserved for the business next store. Well, I was a little pissed at the guy for being such a dick and I said "there's no sign there." There was no marking at all. Well the guy was like "move it or I'm going to block you and tow it" And that really pissed me off and I said "put up a fucking sign and say please." The guy called a 2nd old man over and he's like "don't argue, move your shit" and I say "I'm not arguing, I'm moving it, but I'm just here to do business in there and you need to put up a sign and say please instead of being a fucking asshole." So that was that and I moved it.

Well I guess they thought I left, but after I moved it I went back to the front door, and the 2nd old man was spreading salt on the ice. He saw me going in and followed me and he's like "get out now." I said "I'm doing business in there, do you work here" and he says "I own this building"! Not the guy I was going to buy from, but probably his landlord. So I turned to leave but then the guy went to grab my coat. I said "hands off" 2 or 3 times but the guy started shoving so I pulled out a can of pepper spray. The guy backed off but then he went to swing his bag of rock salt at my head so I sprayed him in the face. Well that knocked him back a few steps but then he lunged at me. This was a big fat guy, probably used to be in the army or something, a lot bigger than me but not fit. I'm skinny but pretty fit. So, this big fuck grabbed me and we went down on the ice in the doorway, I'm soaking his face with pepper spray and we wrestled for a few minutes. He snatched my glasses and crushed them into a little pile of bent up wire, then I did the same to his, and then he just started wheezing and couldn't move or anything. I dug my thumbs in his eyes and told him to let go and finally he did, I got up pocketed both glasses and took off before any of his friends could show up. He just lay there in a pile wheezing with red pepper sauce dripping down his head. It was a bitch to drive without glasses, but I got to a friend's close by and borrowed some.

So we had a verbal altercation, then I got assaulted, and I fought back. Didn't hit the guy though, not once. The guy got pepper sprayed and had his glasses broken, mine too, I got my knees banged & bruised pretty bad on the ice but otherwise OK. It was his & his friends place & both their word against mine. So I figure, I probably deserve to get charges against the fucker, but not a good idea to pursue it farther- so we're even.

All day I'm just thinking what the fuck is with these people. This fucking hick town is a culture of inbred assholism- Deliverance isn't just a movie. Don't go poking around the backwoods in upstate NY!

-rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Friday, 25 February 2005 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

shit.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 25 February 2005 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow. You thumbed his eyes! You carry pepper spray!
I'm never... ever fucking with you... sir.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 25 February 2005 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)

You absolutely did the right thing (only I would also have pressed charges).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 February 2005 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

And I would've kicked him before running off.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 25 February 2005 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

uh, how do you borrow someone's glasses?

LaToya JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 25 February 2005 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

They were spares. They aren't good but they're slightly better than my plain old crappy eyeballs.

-rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Friday, 25 February 2005 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking hell. That's hardcore. I'm a shaking blubbering mess if anyone even looks at me nasty.

the other kate (ffs!) (papa november), Friday, 25 February 2005 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Huh. Where upstate? I'm also from the area and while there's certainly a fair share of stupid, angry dipshits, I find there are a much greater percentage of them in the burroughs of New York City, where I currently live. It seems to me that, beyond racism, people often just flat out stick to "their kind" (family, friends, fellow hicks, etc.) and HATE everyone else because they're not smart enough to differentiate others or something.

Eleventy-Twelve (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 25 February 2005 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

CABIN FEVER

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Friday, 25 February 2005 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I fear I'd have probably done the exact same thing myself.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 25 February 2005 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

go back and shitbomb the store.

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 25 February 2005 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Way to kick some ass man.

57 7th (calstars), Friday, 25 February 2005 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, in upstate New York if there's one thing you can get away with it's vandalism. Get a friend and get your stories straight for your alibi, then drive up at 3am in a common car with mud on the license plates and throw a stone through every window in the house in under 1 minute, then drive away!

Eleventy-Twelve (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 25 February 2005 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess pepper spray doesn't work.

Eleventy-Twelve (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 25 February 2005 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

So I bet the guy who was going to sell you the books is real happy with his landlord....

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 25 February 2005 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Get a friend and get your stories straight for your alibi, then drive up at 3am in a common car with mud on the license plates and throw a stone through every window in the house in under 1 minute, then drive away!

This will unlock the secondhand book mission strand, and a can of pepper spray will appear round the back of Ammu-Nation.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 25 February 2005 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

wtf, that's not what happened!!!

Fat Anarchy on Airtube (ex machina), Friday, 25 February 2005 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

You have to do it counter-clockwise and have respect of 40% plus. Try again.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 25 February 2005 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

What is that last post, some D&D?

This happened near Syracuse.

MORE STORY! OK, I didn't mention this, but when the guy was on the ground he said "I have a bad heart" and I was a little worried about that. Turns out he's fine. (He might have just been trying not to get hit or something. Loser.) Today, I decided to find out anything else I could.

The flea market was run by a couple and I got their phone numbers around Xmas time. They don't know me, the lady just gave it to me because I bought books before, so maybe I would come back. I called her.

Me: "Hi, my friend was visiting your place the other day and she told me she saw the old man get in a fight! How is he?"
Her: "The old man? Oh that was the maintainence man. He mostly just has hurt pride. "
Me: "what happened?"
Her: "Some young guy pepper sprayed him and he got his glasses broken, but he's OK."
Me: "Oh I was wondering what happened- good thing you didn't have any problems for your business, nice to hear you're doing good, blah blah."

After I hung up I thought I should have said "actually that was me" to see what her reaction was. I called her husband instead.

Me: "Hi How you doin. I came over to your place the other day to buy a bunch of books and I got assaulted by your maintainence guy!"
Him: "Oh jeez I heard about that. That actually isn't my maintainence guy, we rent the place and he works for the landlord. He wasn't even supposed to be in our part of the building. I don't know what the hell he thought he was doing. Really sorry. How did that happen?"
Me: "I guess I was in the wrong parking spot, but I didn't even know I wasn't supposed to park there, and he got mad. I warned him a bunch of times, but he started shoving so I sprayed him."
Him: "Yeah he said he grabbed you and I was like 'what the hell you doing, you don't grab people, you get arrested for that.' He was worried about getting fired, too bad he doesn't work for me, I would fire him in a second. If someone did that to me I would have beat them, I wouldn't worry about the cops even though I have probation for child support. Sorry. We have had problems with parking, nothing like this of course, but I'm looking for a new building with better parking. We'll be really careful not to let anything happen like this any more."
Me: "well I'm fine so no big deal, I was just wondering what happened after I left."
Him: "Good, too bad this happened, I would love to sell you books. The guy only works m-f if you want to come back on a weekend. Maybe we can even go to my other store."
Me: "OK that's cool, I can't do it now, I'm out of town, but I've been in before. I'll be back in town in the future so I'll make it back, maybe in a couple months."
Him: OK great, really sorry again."

That old asshole said "I own this building" and he was just a janitor. God! At least I got some apologies.

-rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Saturday, 26 February 2005 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

my favorite:
I wouldn't worry about the cops even though I have probation for child support.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Saturday, 26 February 2005 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

You carry pepper spray? You used it on an old man?

You cock.

JimD (JimD), Saturday, 26 February 2005 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck that jim being an old man doesn't give a person license to assault.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 26 February 2005 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

dick cheney's an old man

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Saturday, 26 February 2005 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Assault!? wtf?

So I turned to leave but then the guy went to grab my coat. I said "hands off" 2 or 3 times but the guy started shoving so I pulled out a can of pepper spray.

this is bizarre and wrong on so many levels.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

and high-larious on at least one level.

eman (eman), Saturday, 26 February 2005 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

careful rainbow bum, they might just be trying to lure you back.

Eleventy-Twelve (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 26 February 2005 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

That jerk deserved it.

Star Hustler, Saturday, 26 February 2005 06:08 (twenty-one years ago)

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 26 February 2005 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)

bahaaha, that pic is otm j blount

eman (eman), Saturday, 26 February 2005 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"I have a bad heart"

"Your brain could use some help, too"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)


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