Women... alone in bars.

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I was killing time last night before a dinner date, and there was a girl alone in the bar I was idling in. She didn't appear to be waiting for anyone, she looked to be in a good mood... so I thought she must be krazy!

andy --, Friday, 25 February 2005 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread title is so creepy. I didn't even realize there was a STIGMA about women alone in bars.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah — the ellipsis gives it a weird "WTF?" feeling.

I don't guess it's a stigma, per se, but I can report every time I've tried to go to a bar by myself (to see a band, just to hang out, whatever) I have been his on by scary older drunk guys who didn't know how to take a hint. Very awkward.

sugarpants (sugarpants), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

his = hit

sugarpants (sugarpants), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

So... what's a beautiful girl like you doing on a message board like this?

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Women. . . alone on message boards.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

And she's called "sugarpants." She's obviously gagging for it.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

(I'll just leave quietly now.)

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, there's like those fifty-something office worker ladies that come in and order four glasses of wine and chainsmoke Merits because that's just where life has placed them...

But, it seems to me that when a normal, attractive young woman is in a bar, she makes an exaggerated pantomime of checking her cellphone, watch, etc., to make sure that everyone knows she's waiting for her friend... otherwise, the aforementioned creepy-older-guy-hitting begins.

andy --, Friday, 25 February 2005 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

or creeper-younger-guy! god knows i try!

miccio (miccio), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean, she just starts hitting creepy older guys?

xpost

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't do it if I hadn't seen White Palace

miccio (miccio), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

http://payg.movietrak.co.uk/images/prodimages/assassin.jpg

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i've been to bars alone before and made the exaggerated pantomime of checking my cellphone/clock etc. to make sure that everyone thought i was waiting for a friend, and hoped that the creepy attractive girls wouldn't take a hint.

ken c (ken c), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.artscouncil-ni.org/aotm/1998/dec1998.jpg

"I'm so blue, I'd go home with just about anybody right now..."

andy --, Friday, 25 February 2005 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I lug in my grandfather clock and a WWII radio set and no-one bugs me at all.

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I just wonder about anyone sitting alone in ars before 11am. Lots of people appear to do this in SF!

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Bars

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that woman drinking "Crisis" brand bourbon? I'd like to try that. Alone.

andy --, Friday, 25 February 2005 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

women.. alone in bras

ken c (ken c), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

http://apartment42.com/images/hf-pics/raiders05.jpg

TOMBOT, Saturday, 26 February 2005 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"Give me the medallion!!"

andy --, Saturday, 26 February 2005 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

So in about 1981 I was working in a pub in Bristol. There was much more of this loathsome stigma then. My fiance had been out with a couple of friends for the evening, and came in to meet me at around 11pm this Saturday night. She was an attractive 20 year old woman, dressed casually, wearing no make up. She made her way to the end of the bar, and I was too busy to do more than smile and nod, or some such. After a few minutes one man, maybe 35, 40, who was in reasonably often, but I didn't know him really, leaned across and stage-whispered to me, flicking a thumb in her direction, "If that's not a pro, I'm a banana." I am usually a sweet and friendly kind of person, but I gave him one of my dangerous looks (no really, it works) and said "I am marrying her next month." He looked terrified, left and never returned.

I mention this because it wasn't an unusual assumption back then. I suspect it hasn't died even now.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 26 February 2005 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.destinationhollywood.com/movies/sixthsense/images/sixthsense_rules07.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 26 February 2005 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.filmint.nu/bilder/netonly/artikelbilder/bubley/figure-2-sea-grill.jpg

This woman looks like the cover of one of those hot 50's girl-on-girl pulps...

andy --, Saturday, 26 February 2005 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.fadiabadrawi.com/groupings/new/woman_bar.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 26 February 2005 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that woman drinking "Crisis" brand bourbon? I'd like to try that. Alone.

I was rather hoping is was old-skool Cristale...

sugarpants (sugarpants), Saturday, 26 February 2005 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

gena rowlands in a woman under the influence - classic.

youn, Saturday, 26 February 2005 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

http://faculty.evansville.edu/rl29/art105/img/hopper_nighthawks.jpg

57 7th (calstars), Saturday, 26 February 2005 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/7601/barfly.gif

57 7th (calstars), Saturday, 26 February 2005 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

this is totally true but I was pretty oblivious to it until I went to a bar owned by a vague aquaintance and when I was getting ready to settle up, she said, "I'm so glad this place is a place that a woman can come and have a drink by herself and not feel weird."

nb I have not tried this since I got married, I wonder if the ring will keep people away?

I really like to go into a bar and have a drink and read like people do in coffee shops, is this a strange thing to do too?

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 26 February 2005 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Not at all. I used to bring work to the bar on Saturday afternoon. Granted, it was a bar with big booths. And granted, I was the only one doing this. Ok, maybe it's strange. But that doesn't make it unpleasant!

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Saturday, 26 February 2005 06:33 (twenty-one years ago)

My wife used to hang out alone in bars all the time, in her single days (she still likes bars, but is less likely to be alone). Partly to maybe meet someone, but more because she lived alone and didn't want to just go home after work. She would just hang out, have a few drinks and cigarettes, look for interesting people to talk to. She met some of her best friends that way. Got hit on a lot, but got good at fending it off (including Guns'n'Roses drummer, the fat one).

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 26 February 2005 07:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I wasn't aware this was strange. I used to do it all the time - I just liked being in a bar with good music and nice drinks, especially if I was a regular and knew that someone I knew would turn up sooner or later. Often I'd just take a book, or more likely a sketchbook.

Don't do it so much any more. I guess I just don't like bars so much. Or don't really have a local. The only time I end up being alone in bars these days is if I'm waiting for someone, which SUX0RS. The waiting part, rather than the being alone. I guess I'd be much happier if I was just in there by myself for fun.

But then again, I tend to be a bit of a solitary person anyway, so going to bars alone doesn't seem any odder than going to restaurants alone or going to gigs alone.

Masonic Cathedral (kate), Saturday, 26 February 2005 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I do this all the time, mostly to watch football. Nobody ever hits on me, maybe because I wear a wedding ring, or maybe because I don't look like I want to get hit on, I just look like I am in a pub to watch football. Or maybe because I am less chat-up-able than other women.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 26 February 2005 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Should I start doing this? I may not be a woman but I just don't like drinking at home.

Deerninja B4rim4, Plus-Tech Whizz Kid (Barima), Saturday, 26 February 2005 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Barima its not like there aren't 30 people in London willing to drink with you!

Football skews the whole alone-in-pubs thing, as half the people in there, male or female, will be in their on their own, usually just to watch the game.

I have a nice local where people regularly sit and drink on their own, usually with a pint and a book or whatever. Although a good friend of mine goes in their occasionally by herself and never has the slightest bit of trouble. There was one occasion when a couple of (gay) guys started chatting to her, and even then the landlord was like "oi, the lady comes in here because she doesn't want to be bothered", which was nice.

Generally when I see a girl alone in a pub I presume she either works there, or is waiting for someone.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 26 February 2005 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I used to do this all the time and am thinking about picking back up the habit. It's not a bad idea at all because A) most people DO presume that you are waiting for someone so you don't get hit on, unlike when you show up with 2 or 3 other girls and then they KNOW you aren't waiting for someone B) you just get to be friends with the bartender which isn't that bad.

It's not so creepy, it's just like you wouldn't think it was weird to see a girl alone in a coffee house.

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Saturday, 26 February 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

the girl in the hopper painting is evidently not alone!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 27 February 2005 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

p.s. i hate bars

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 27 February 2005 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, I think I do too.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Sunday, 27 February 2005 08:07 (twenty-one years ago)

At leat on Saturday night.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Sunday, 27 February 2005 08:07 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, tonight was unfortunate.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 27 February 2005 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)

she WAS alone, before the other guy came up. lots of alone people together, in the city

ilkley lido (gareth), Sunday, 27 February 2005 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)

she;s the greatest dancer

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Sunday, 27 February 2005 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Barima its not like there aren't 30 people in London willing to drink with you!

See, I'm thinking of resuming my Patch identity and going it alone...

Logan, Weapon X (Barima), Sunday, 27 February 2005 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, with you being a lone Wolverine, and given my email address of lonewolf, we should team up! Oh, hang on...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 27 February 2005 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

This afternoon I went to the pub across the road from my house to watch the Carling Cup Final and was subjected to a conversation over my head about "oh, do you think she's ditched her husband", "i thought that was why we had a lounge bar, so that women didn't come into the public bar" (they weren't showing the football in the lounge), "what sort of woman drinks on her own" "maybe she fancies you" etc, etc, etc. Like I couldn't hear them, or would be impressed with their "witty" "banter". Bastards probably read ILX and thought they would show me up for saying I have no problem with drinking on my own (I didn't even know them for seeing them).

I grabbed my pint and hid in a corner to watch the football.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

How horrible! :-( You were extremely patient with these fools.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I've remembered why I don't usually go there to watch matches, and usually travel into Paisley to a pub where everyone knows me and the punters and staff are friendly.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, that makes it sound like Cheers :)

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

seven years pass...

man..... sometimes

buzza, Friday, 6 April 2012 05:17 (thirteen years ago)

what happened dawg???

dylannn, Friday, 6 April 2012 09:34 (thirteen years ago)

women... alone in bars... buzzakill

StanM, Friday, 6 April 2012 09:48 (thirteen years ago)

This thread makes me so furious, on so many levels.

Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Friday, 6 April 2012 10:11 (thirteen years ago)

Enumerate them.

beachville, Friday, 6 April 2012 12:19 (thirteen years ago)

Women... alone in bras.

Brando Ambassador (Eazy), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:06 (thirteen years ago)

Women... alone in brasseries

beachville, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:08 (thirteen years ago)

http://memoryanddesire.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/03/29/degas_absinthe.jpg

Brando Ambassador (Eazy), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:24 (thirteen years ago)

Aphex Twin...alone in bars?

James Bond Jor (seandalai), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:27 (thirteen years ago)

Aphex Twin... alone in my.... NO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE.

Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:28 (thirteen years ago)

LOL

carl agatha, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:31 (thirteen years ago)

: D

beachville, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:34 (thirteen years ago)

really bugs me that no one ever pointed out that nighthawks isn’t even a painting of a bar

1staethyr, Friday, 6 April 2012 13:43 (thirteen years ago)

I am really mad at the men who harrassed Ailsa ^^.

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:47 (thirteen years ago)

loooooool MB

unchillhenge (c sharp major), Friday, 6 April 2012 14:01 (thirteen years ago)

creepy old threads vs creepy old dudes

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 6 April 2012 14:34 (thirteen years ago)

Maybe five years ago, I was visiting a friend who lived in a shithole town outside of Tulsa, OK. We went to a bar together on a Saturday night, got there early, got seats at the bar, and were drinking beer and having a nice time together. The bar started getting crowded and I looked around and realized we were the only women unaccompanied by men in the bar. Then the men in the bar realized this as well, and for the next hour and a half, it was nonstop harassment. Some dudes were straight up angry at us (because the bar was crowded and we had seats - a dude yelled in my friend's face about "WHO DID YOU FUCK TO GET THESE SEATS?"), some went the slut-shaming route (one in particular started off by touching the half-inch gap between my shirt and my pants where I happen to have a tattoo and went on a diatribe about how low-back tattoos are "bull's eyes" and women who have them are cheap), some just hit on us, but we eventually had to leave because we could not speak to each other since we were both constantly fending off unwanted attention from men. The very dark walk from the bar to my friend's car, which she parked way across the parking lot for some dumb reason, was one of the scariest walks of my life. I had no idea if any of these misogynist cowboys followed us out of the bar or what (they didn't).

Anyway, I love going to bars by myself and I do it all the time. Just never in Oklahoma.

carl agatha, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:42 (thirteen years ago)

jesus

horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:45 (thirteen years ago)

resisting the urge to cross-post that to my Defend the Indefensible: Oklahoma thread (no one really succeeded in defending it, btw). so insane.

beachville, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:46 (thirteen years ago)

i have definitely encountered the vibe ailsa describes upthread; i think at sports bars men sometimes experience a woman alone as a particularly unwelcome threat to their turf. i used to go to delilah's in chicago alone on sundays to watch bills games and sometimes some dudes got a little weird. (many dudes were fine, though.) i also love going to bars by myself.

horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:47 (thirteen years ago)

jesus, CA, that's a terrifying story. was thinking earlier that "woman alone in a bar" doesn't strike as at all unusual, but that's probably a reflection of the bars i hang out in.

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 6 April 2012 14:54 (thirteen years ago)

You know, I don't tell that story often because it's hard to really convey how surreal and scary the whole thing was. It's actually really comforting to have validation, so thanks.

carl agatha, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:59 (thirteen years ago)

woman alone in a bar
woman watching game alone in a bar
and
woman watching show alone in a bar

are all three different experiences imo (honestly have never done #2, but i have done #1 and 3 more times than i can possibly remember)

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:00 (thirteen years ago)

also carl that is terrifying

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:00 (thirteen years ago)

I've never been been a woman alone in a bar.

Jeff, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:01 (thirteen years ago)

I've only been a woman alone in a bar on the Internet.

Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:07 (thirteen years ago)

that is a horrifying story, carl

dayo, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:41 (thirteen years ago)

Going to the bar alone is great.
I liked in the new Muppets movie that they had a diva anthem about hanging out by yourself in "a party just for one" but I didn't like how the denoument of the song made the me party seem sad and empty. Same with Lene Lovich's "Lucky Number." Can we get an anthem about being by yourself with a consistent tone?

and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:48 (thirteen years ago)

wish i could sufficiently apologize for all Okies for the treatment carl described. beyond horrific.

mizzell, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:55 (thirteen years ago)

Ugh ugh ugh, CA, that's just so awful and I can't believe there are still human beings on this earth who think it's OK to act like that.

I mean, I've experienced the usual low level creep magnet kind of thing, but overt hostility and harassment on that kind of scale it just o_0.

I went through another period of drinking alone in bars, with sketchbook and listening to music, which is still one of my favourite things to do.

I still can't make up my mind which is grosser upthread, the whole idea that young women on their own in bars are somehow fair game. Or the idea that being an older woman, alone in a bar, because "that's where life has placed you" is somehow ~protective~ - as if the kind of behaviour that CA and Ailsa described is anything at all to do with sexual attractiveness (which of course, 50 year old women never ever have, whether chainsmoking Merits or not) and not just sheer territorial intimidation because... argh, I can't think about this, because it just brings the rage.

I'm going to a bar myself, alone, tonight. To watch a band. I'm sure it will be fine. Me and Isabel Monteiro, drinking alone, in bars, for England.

Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:56 (thirteen years ago)

sexual attractiveness (which of course, 50 year old women never ever have, whether chainsmoking Merits or not)

maybe i'm misreading this portion of your post, but, i don't think 50 year-old women would like to hear they never have sexual attractiveness! but man, CA's story is sad and awful.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:58 (thirteen years ago)

You're damn right. Now go back and read the posts at the beginning of the thread to see why I was saying that (and with such an angry and annoyed tone.) I was quoting exactly that attitude which was making me pissed off to start with.

Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:01 (thirteen years ago)

ok, i didn't catch your switch in tone there, sorry.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:03 (thirteen years ago)

man..... sometimes

― buzza, Friday, April 6, 2012 1:17 AM

?

=D (am0n), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:03 (thirteen years ago)

I mean, this one, in case you're in any doubt:

Well, there's like those fifty-something office worker ladies that come in and order four glasses of wine and chainsmoke Merits because that's just where life has placed them...

But, it seems to me that when a normal, attractive young woman is in a bar, she makes an exaggerated pantomime of checking her cellphone, watch, etc., to make sure that everyone knows she's waiting for her friend... otherwise, the aforementioned creepy-older-guy-hitting begins.

― andy --, Friday, February 25, 2005 11:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Because even when you're 40 (and I'm sure it will be exactly the same when I'm 50) there will still be creepy dudes who think that a woman drinking alone is a "professional" or an invitation.

And because so much of the time, it isn't even about sex at all, it's about intimidation, of women, to get them out of "male" claimed space.

Popcorn Supergay Receiver (Masonic Boom), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:06 (thirteen years ago)

?

― =D (am0n), Friday, April 6, 2012 9:03 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

think everyone's still wondering abt that

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:07 (thirteen years ago)

Sometimes...they sing this at karaoke?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uplUUowitJk

and i don't even care, similar to how a badass would respond (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 April 2012 16:12 (thirteen years ago)

haha, ambiguous revive

there was this really beautiful and young woman who started talking to me last night and it was pretty clear she sorta latched onto me because the creeps sitting next to her were freaking her out with their unwanted comments and "moves"

she was super smart and had a crazy backstory so i didn't mind being her chaperon.

buzza, Saturday, 7 April 2012 01:06 (thirteen years ago)

buzza, revivalist

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 7 April 2012 01:17 (thirteen years ago)

,thread chaperon

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 7 April 2012 01:17 (thirteen years ago)

internet dudes.....alone in bars

buzza, Saturday, 7 April 2012 01:24 (thirteen years ago)

two years pass...

Fucking ghost town

calstars, Saturday, 4 October 2014 00:08 (eleven years ago)

Even the bartender has left

calstars, Saturday, 4 October 2014 00:11 (eleven years ago)

haha, ambiguous revive

there was this really beautiful and young woman who started talking to me last night and it was pretty clear she sorta latched onto me because the creeps sitting next to her were freaking her out with their unwanted comments and "moves"

she was super smart and had a crazy backstory so i didn't mind being her chaperon.

― buzza, Saturday, 7 April 2012 02:06 (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Saturday, 4 October 2014 00:32 (eleven years ago)

I'm the creep but it would have to be extraordinary circumstances for me to approach some angel with a broken wing / little miss lonely

calstars, Saturday, 4 October 2014 20:40 (eleven years ago)

hideous men itt

lool at the herrlich (wins), Saturday, 4 October 2014 20:47 (eleven years ago)

Hideous is too kind

calstars, Saturday, 4 October 2014 21:26 (eleven years ago)

Buzza is such a hero

Treeship, Saturday, 4 October 2014 22:18 (eleven years ago)

one year passes...

Surprised I didn't start this thread

calstars, Thursday, 30 June 2016 01:29 (nine years ago)

"Do you have company?"
"No"
"Do you want some?"
"Sure"

calstars, Thursday, 30 June 2016 01:30 (nine years ago)

Was kind of hoping this would be a stock photo thread.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2016 03:28 (nine years ago)

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1621849/images/o-WOMAN-AT-BAR-facebook.jpg

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2016 03:32 (nine years ago)


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