U.S. State Dept Report Criticizes Foreign Human Rights Abuses(...some methods of which are also employed by U.S. Govt)

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U.S. accuses dozens of nations of mistreating prisoners

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By Frank Davies, Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - The State Department's annual report on human rights Monday criticized dozens of governments for mistreating prisoners and using practices that U.S. forces also have used in the war on terror.

The report also condemned the routine use of torture in three countries - Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia - where U.S. forces have transferred detainees or arranged for their custody.

The report surveys human, political and religious rights practices last year in 196 nations.

The survey found progress with relatively free elections in Afghanistan (news - web sites) and the Ukraine. China, where challenges to the ruling Communist Party are banned, was cited for detentions of writers, religious activists and dissidents. Latin America was criticized for dangerous corruption.

Torture is still widely used throughout the Middle East, including in nations such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and other U.S. allies, the report said.

The State Department criticized Pakistan for use of "prolonged isolation," "denial of sleep" and "painful shackling;" Egypt for "stripping and blindfolding" and dousing detainees with cold water; and Syria for forcing prisoners to stand for long periods of time.

Those tactics were also used and approved by the Pentagon (news - web sites) in Afghanistan, Iraq (news - web sites) and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where more than 500 detainees are held.

Some of those "stress and duress" methods, including forced nudity and shackling, were approved by top defense officials in late 2002, and some were later rescinded.

But two investigations of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal last year in Iraq found there was confusion about what methods were approved, and several coercive tactics continued to be used.

According to several FBI (news - web sites) agents, detainees in Guantanamo were left shackled to the floor, some in a fetal position, for more than 24 hours. Others were subjected to religious humiliation and sensory deprivation.

The State Department's human rights report is required by Congress. Embassy personnel around the world contribute to it, covering every country in the United Nations (news - web sites) except the United States.

"The reason we don't do a report on ourselves is the same reason you don't write investigative reports about you own finances - it wouldn't have any credibility," said State Department human rights official Michael Kozak. "We're not against being scrutinized, and we are, by many other organizations.

"No country has a perfect human rights record, and certainly not the United States," said Kozak, the acting assistant secretary of the State Department's Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor....

Kingfish MuffMiner 2049er (Kingfish), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, and sorry that i haven't been posting much lately. I've been in training classes at my new temp job for over two weeks now.

Kingfish MuffMiner 2049er (Kingfish), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

"The reason we don't do a report on ourselves is the same reason you don't write investigative reports about you own finances - it wouldn't have any credibility,"

Carefully phrased.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)

...That and we lack the manpower.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)

That was a pretty good save on the part of the State Dept. official, actually.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:34 (twenty years ago)

Condi's doing a bang-up job.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:39 (twenty years ago)

so this "okay, we're not perfect" line is an excuse now? excuse me while i barf.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)

Abu Graib and Guantanamo notwithstanding, our human rights record is far from the worst in the world, in fact it's nowhere near the bottom.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:55 (twenty years ago)

So we're living in a world where the US tortures people and indirectly creates widespread awareness for the torture that is happening in 9848 other nations. This is actually preferable to what we had before, with 9848 nations engaging in torture while hardly anybody said anything about it.

Maybe I'd feel differently if I was an American.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:17 (twenty years ago)

tell that to AIM, Mumia (sorry, I know!), the fact that we've got more of our own citizens in prison per capita than anyone except South Africa and Russia, etc., etc.

I mean hurting c'mon, we've never been worse than right now, granted, but things haven't been all that excellent here either.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:18 (twenty years ago)

Certainly, we seem to be at a rather low historical point to be knocking other countries, but I still think there's a pretty big difference between us, a neophyte dabbler in torture, and the many longtime practitioners around the world.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:22 (twenty years ago)

c'mon ask leonard peltier. i dare ya.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)

Hyperhawk Victor Davis Hanson quoted today in Salon:

"If we're exporting detainees for the express purpose that they be tortured under interrogation by another regime, it's a terrible idea. Any short-term gain that might come out of it won't be worth the long-term ill impression created by it. We're promoting democracy across the region, and you can't have torture by a dictatorial government. You just can't do it. If you're an idealist and you believe in democracy, it's bad policy. It's hypocritical, and it will blow up in your face."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:28 (twenty years ago)

dude, Ned, get with the program, Hosni's gonna allow "democracy" in Egypt.

< /Scott McClellan>

American Agenda (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 06:31 (twenty years ago)

Stence, that's just the point though. It's the same handful of US political prisoners that always gets mentioned. If you tried, say, China, you'd have your hands more than full.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

well no shit but China also has over a billion people!

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:02 (twenty years ago)

Ok, North Korea? Iran? Saddam's Iraq? Saudi Arabia? Zimbabwe?

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:03 (twenty years ago)

also if you don't think there aren't plenty of human rights abuses in our regular prisons for regular inmates, you've never been to one. the dudes at abu grahib were all part-time reservists who worked as prison guards at home.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

No, I'll grant you that. My brother volunteers with an inmate-training program in NY State.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:06 (twenty years ago)

Although I STILL think there's a distinction to be drawn between that and countries where human rights abuse is the rule in prisons, rather than the too-frequent exception.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

Isn't capitol punishment considered a human rights violation?
xpost

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

Yes it is, it's somewhat a grey area but most modern democracy do consider it to be so and won't, for example, extradite a person to a nation where and when they might face the death penalty (the same standard is applied to extradition and torture).

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:13 (twenty years ago)

All I'm really trying to say is that the right way for the US to avoid any hypocrisy is by improving its own record, not by avoiding speaking out against nations which are far worse and need to be spoken out against.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)

amen, hurting.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 07:16 (twenty years ago)

slightly related update: human rights watch and the aclu are suing donald rumsfeld in civil court on behalf of 8 men tortured in Iraq and Afghanistan.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)


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