SO DAMN INSANE

http://www.mosnews.com/files/1401/picture_s.jpg

not zhirinovsky, surprisingly!

http://www.newizv.ru/images/photos/big/20040726203447_3-khodorkovsky.jpg

http://www.mosnews.com/files/1408/picture.jpg

-- Autumn Almanac (ada...), March 1st, 2005.

I just don't think the cage is necessary to achieve this end.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1905000/images/_1906442_breakout150ap.jpg

We keep innocent people behind cages, certainly. It's called detention centres.

Saddam ain't innocent, though.

xpost Trayce OTM.

I know nothing about Khodorkovsky or the Russian judicial system, so I can't comment. Besides, this thread's about the Saddam cage.

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1. the US government is not trying him, the ostensible "Iraqi government" is.
2. in your frothing about the US government and your allegations that the US government is completely behind 100% the caging of Saddam and Iraqis have no call in it, you still don't acknowledge that many many countries use this practice, and that the Iraqis adopting it may come from other sources though:
3. as Trayce sez, that newspaper sucks.
4. I know nothing about Khodorkovsky or the Russian judicial system, so I can't comment. Besides, this thread's about the Saddam cage. How much do you know about the American judicial system? Or the Iraqi judicial system?
5. At least you admit Australia fucks dudes over too! That's cool.

Therefore the US government is.

2. in your frothing about the US government and your allegations that the US government is completely behind 100% the caging of Saddam and Iraqis have no call in it...

Straw man. I didn't say that. Continue.

...you still don't acknowledge that many many countries use this practice

Do I have to? This thread is about Saddam being caged.

How much do you know about the American judicial system? Or the Iraqi judicial system?

I know enough about the US judicial system AND the US government's motives to know the cage is about creating perceptions.

5. At least you admit Australia fucks dudes over too! That's cool.

You do NOT want to start me on what the Aus govenment does to refugees. Despotic pricks. Why this country voted the bastards back in is totally beyond me.

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And even if the cartoon above were true, one can't exactly blame Israel for wanting gone a dictator who has launched missiles at its population centers and repeatedly called for its destruction.

given that it seems iraq will shortly have something resembling a government, and the elections went smoothly, i'm gonna give the iraqis the benefit of the doubt. perhaps condescending to say that they can't do anything without the americans telling them to is better?

also, since when does an ILX thread stay on topic?!? I saw the cage in court story, it reminded me of other cages in other courts!

I know enough about the US judicial system AND the US government's motives to know the cage is about creating perceptions.

then why wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer in a cage? Or OJ?

xpost to Hurting

and to Fox News.

Hang on, this is about Saddam being in a cage. If anyone's taking anything to ridiculous extremes, it's you and your analysis of what I've said.

given that it seems iraq will shortly have something resembling a government, and the elections went smoothly, i'm gonna give the iraqis the benefit of the doubt. perhaps condescending to say that they can't do anything without the americans telling them to is better?

I don't trust the US government to give Iraq that much autonomy. Puppets and all that.

also, since when does an ILX thread stay on topic?!? I saw the cage in court story, it reminded me of other cages in other courts!

Great, brilliant, but you grilled me on an issue about which I know nothing, and so can't comment.

then why wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer in a cage? Or OJ?

Because those two didn't require the US government to defend itself against accusations that it started a war based on lies? I dunno.

Hang on, this is ILX. Linear thought is useless.

I don't trust the US government to give Iraq that much autonomy. Puppets and all that.

I am skeptical as well but I also think that the US government - despite how fucked up it is - is well aware that they have to do something to give the Iraqis more autonomy (if only because the CPA fucked up things so badly post-invasion - ask anyone who's soldiered there, have you?)

Great, brilliant, but you grilled me on an issue about which I know nothing, and so can't comment.

You admittedly know nothing about American justice or Iraqi justice or even to what degree the US government influences Iraqi decisions, and yet made allegations such as:

More rubbish US propaganda. The cage is to make him look like Hannibal Lecter in the films. We don't want him looking like a human, do we?

Still no need for a cage. What's he going to do, walk down the shops?

It's not, but it'll make good press.

Nor does he require a cage. It's for show.

then why wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer in a cage? Or OJ?

Because those two didn't require the US government to defend itself against accusations that it started a war based on lies? I dunno.

1. Jeffrey Dahmer was a muderer in Milwaukee, Wisconsin who kept and ate the body parts of his victims, most of whom he met by soliciting them for sex.

2. OJ Simpson, a famous black American, was accused but acquitted of brutally murdering his white ex-wife and her white boyfriend.

Surely somebody would have a vested interest in making them look bad! Or at least keeping them away from the jurors, I dunno.

btw I'm getting REALLY sick of people who label other people 'anti-American' because they criticise the actions of the US government.

Then stop writing things like this:

More rubbish US propaganda. The cage is to make him look like Hannibal Lecter in the films. We don't want him looking like a human, do we?

You don't know if it's the American government that proposed it!

So do I, but putting Saddam in a cage where one isn't required is an obvious example of creating perceptions.

Surely somebody would have a vested interest in making them look bad! Or at least keeping them away from the jurors, I dunno.

You keep dragging other factors into this. My point is now, and has always been, that Saddam is being put in a cage to create a Hannibal Lecter-style perception. That doesn't need to have a precedent in Simpsons or Dahmer, and I don't know why you keep insisting it does.

You don't know if it's the American government that proposed it!

You don't know if it's the Iraqi government that proposed it.

Look at this, from the actual article:

Specially vetted Iraqi workers are currently putting the finishing touches to the courtroom under the watchful eyes of US troops and British private security personnel.

See that? 'US troops and British private security personnel'. That's three countries involved in the building of the cage. It's my belief that the US government wants him in a cage, and I wrote it as a statement because I have absolutely no reason to believe otherwise, despite it obviously being my opinion. Okay?

American special forces have been instrumental in the building. Although most of the constructors are Iraqi civilians, the Americans are overseeing the work.

I'm NOT. Stop putting words into my mouth.

jesus you are "fucking daft," is that how you say it?