Please give me 100 Reasons to convince my wife that we shouldn't move to California

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And I will print out the entire thread and give it to her. If you think we SHOULD move there (Spencer had some convincing arguments about a year ago when we were considering it), please post those as well, but consider the following:

Her family lives there. Her family and I don't really get along.

It is very far from our band, our friends, and my family.

It is expensive, and neither of us have real jobs - we temp, wait tables, drive trucks, eBay, run very small record labels, etc. No income to speak of. No savings.

I am VERY happy down south. I'd probably spend the rest of my life here in Tennessee if I could. The people, the prices, the mountains, the food...

I HATE the idea of smog, clusters of people (that's why I left NYC), noise, traffic, high priced rent / gas / houses / insurance etc, and the fact that everyone wants to be famous for some reason.

But she REALLY wants to move there and I want to make her happy.

I feel the lady doth ask too much. Help me out.

O'erbite Doggy Dogg (roger adultery), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

MALLARD NASAL LEECHES!!!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

What part of Tennessee are you in, incidentally? That's my home stompin' grounds.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I HATE the idea of smog

so you don't live near the Smokies, then?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Earthquakes.
Mellow people.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost to Fork) Knoxville

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Presumably, she's as miserable in Tennessee as you would be in California. Can you guys work out a compromise? Maybe somewhere in northern cali (def. not smoggy, has mountains, yet closer to her family)?

mouse (mouse), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Alternately, point out to her that you may be forced to moonlight as a gigolo to pay the bills if you two move to LA. NB: this may not be a good argument tactic.

mouse (mouse), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

You almost definitely should move to California, if for no other reason but to eliminate the plethora of completely baseless assumptions that you have about the place.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

poly - my major worry is financial - is that a baseless concern? I'mm asking. See the thing is I LIKE a lot of things about the West Coast - I just don't think we could afford it. And I LOVE it here.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

California is a very big place, not limited to LA. You could easily live many hundreds of miles away from her family, as well as avoid smog, clusters of people, noise, traffic, high priced rent / gas / houses / insurance etc, and the fact that everyone wants to be famous for some reason. This would be like me saying "No way I'll ever live in Illinois -- it's all skyscrapers and lakefront!"

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

However, it does sound like the lady wants to live in LA. Compromise -- move to Houston. They're more sililar than you'd think.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost ok - fair enough - but WHERE do we live where we can have what we have now - 3 bedrooms, big backyard, garage, all for $600 a month. And it's BEAUTIFUL and SAFE.

I like parts of LA - I might be convinced to live near Venice Beach but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

We moved to northern CA in 1998 with the promise of nothing more than a part-time teaching postion at a junior college. I was very lucky to find a decent job at a printing company within two weeks, and we stuck it out as long as we could, but we fled back to Mississippi with our tails tween our legs about three years later. I took the printing company's biggest customer with me, but that's another story. After enduring three months of California's public "schooling," we withdrew our daughter and homeschooled her. My wife, who suffers from bipolar disorder, had her health completely shot by a county mental health system that changed her doctors and meds every 30 days.

The only way I'd live in California again is if I had truckloads of money. It's nowhere to live if you're poor or middle-class. But god amighty, the food was incredible and Amoeba Records lives there.

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

dude do not move to Houston, whatever you do, do not move to Houston!

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

But I think Roger might really dig Houston!

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

no he wouldn't. smog, traffic, skyscrapers plus it's really bad for music people, i think.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah. There's that. But it's a great place to be a gun nut.

Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

yah man its really expensive here :/

charleston charge (chaki), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Houston bad for music? THIS IS THE BIRTHPLACE OF SCREWED AND CHOPPED.

Matt Chesnut, Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

for the kinda music roger plays! and while there's been GREAT music from houston, I get the feeling that the general populace there doesn't give a shit.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

poly - my major worry is financial - is that a baseless concern? I'mm asking. See the thing is I LIKE a lot of things about the West Coast - I just don't think we could afford it. And I LOVE it here.

You won't easily find a three bedroom house for $600 in California, even if you don't live in SF/LA/SD. But I did a quick Craiglist search for rents in Sacramento, and saw a 3br for $1000. One thing you might consider is that the minimum wage in California $6.75. I'm not sure what it is in Tennessee, but I bet it's closer to the national minimum of $5.15. But beyond that, the difference in rent is usually offset by the difference in wages. Californians get paid more on the whole, which offsets the increased cost of living.

Also, despite the fact that the market isn't what it was in 1998, the job market in California is actually pretty damned good lately.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

After enduring three months of California's public "schooling," we withdrew our daughter and homeschooled her.

I find this pretty insulting. I received an excellent education at a supposedly underperforming school. In the very least, our schools don't put stickers in our science books to debunk the theory of evolution.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't move to sac. You won't like it; the air is awful. I also went to public school in california and survived. Like anywhere, there are good and bad schools. You might like the Tahoe area (not calif. per ce).

mouse (mouse), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

You might also really like northern california (Eureka, Redding, Santa Rosa, etc.)

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't live in Sacramento either, but the rent is cheap and it's pretty close to San Francisco.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

sacramento gets really fucking hot in the summer and is filled with dumbasses, but the downtown is pretty nice (I lived in Sac until I was nine and have wonderful memories of it).

Roger you should look into northern cal, it's beautiful and inexpensive. finding work is the hard part but if you're looking for non office work you're probably in a better position.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 6 March 2005 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I ONLY do non-office work. If it's manual labor and the pay is decent to good, I'm easy. I don't shuffle papers / make copies / wear a tie.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)

northern CA sounds like it might be for you then. my friends are always trying to get me to move to Arcata. They love it there. No, they're not hippies.
I think you should become a logger.

()ops (()()ps), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

You should open a landscaping business around the rich northern burbs.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)

(does anyone know what's in that HUGE blank spot on the map between 101 and 5 north of clearlake? is it military? desert? native reservation?)

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

REDDING IS THE ARMPIT OF CALIFORNIA, MY DAD LIVES THERE, ONLY MOVE THERE IF YOU LOVE SATANIC BIKERS AND 100+ TEMPERATURES FOR FOUR MONTHS STRAIGHT

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

haha well I guess that answers that question

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

actually Redding can be very pretty, if you leave town...lots of gentle hippies in the forests around that area; too bad people like my uncle are dead-set on overdeveloping all the land around mt. shasta and turning it into their own private idaho

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously though if you want to make some money doing physical outdoors stuff in high income sprawl areas landscaping is where it's at. Course like Obl. Soupss points out that might make you somewhat part of The Problem.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Curious George is right. So right that I will be shopping at Amoeba and eating at Kirala tomorrow in his honor.

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Roger, It sounds like Tennessee is for you, like what Vermont is for me. Fortunately, my wife likes being here equally as well. But IF she said her heart was in Cal. then I'd ask her to think hard about the roots we've put down here and give it 6 months. At the end of that time if she still felt the same. I'd go.

Obviously not an easy decision. I wish you both well.

jim wentworth (wench), Sunday, 6 March 2005 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Redding can be very pretty, if you leave town

Hahaha, that's about right... that's where we lived. It looked better in the rearview mirror. Always a pleasure to go up to Mt. Shasta and over to Lassen, though. Sourpuss is right, though, the sameness of the mind-frying sun is mizzable in the summer.

Adamrl, I blow a big raspberry in your general direction.

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 6 March 2005 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

As a native Californian who lived most of his life there and left 2 years ago, I say that many things about it are wonderful. Many things aren't.

What's not wonderful:

(1) $$$$$$$$$$$$$, as everyone has mentioned. If you have a trust fund, or other sources of wealth, by all means, live there. It's a beautiful, lively, never-boring (well, at least most parts of it aren't boring) place to live. If you don't have $$$, you'll be extremely unhappy in a very short span of time.

(2) The ever-present looming threat of unavoidable natural disaster. Earthquakes all over the stae (but especially the coasts). Huge massive fires in the south. Floods, mudslides, etc., in the north. Oh, now that unstoppable rain seems to be a feature, you can say floods and mudslides in the south too. If you don't believe me, read anything by Joan Didion or, better yet, read Marc Reisner's A Dangerous Fate.

(3) Overcrowding. But I suppose California doesn't have a monopoly on this phenomenon.

(4) Increasing divide between coasts and interior. The big myth is the divide between North and South, but that's mostly hype nowadays. The true cultural divide is between the cities/suburbs on the coasts and communities in the interior (San Joaquin Valley, Fresno, Bakersfield, etc.).

Again, read Reisner.

But you may end up moving there anyway; California has that effect on people.

ffirehorse (firehorse), Monday, 7 March 2005 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

the first man i ever loved is in fresno with a wife and four kids...

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 7 March 2005 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

SoCal is a desert, but a desert crammed to the teeth with people. A bad combination, IMO. Empty deserts can be very nice, tho.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 7 March 2005 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

the first man i ever loved is in fresno with a wife and four kids...

Anthony, do you feel vindicated?

Roger, you would find anything like Knoxville in California. That said, think about Petaluma/Santa Rosa or perhaps down the 17 corridor between Salinas and San Jose. You would have to commute to go to a city but it wouldn't long and both areas are very pretty. Do not go to Sacramento. It's hot/cold, boring, and the air quality would not be to your liking.

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 7 March 2005 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

twelve years pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/us/california-today-how-progressive-is-the-golden-state.html

Is the Golden State really a progressive utopia? Hardly, according to new research from the Advancement Project California, a Los Angeles-based civil rights group. In studying seven key quality of life issues: crime and justice, democracy, economic opportunity, education, healthy built environment, health care access and housing, researchers found significant markers of disparity in counties throughout the state.

i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:52 (eight years ago)

disparities throughout the most populace state in the country, who would've thought

NYT is just trolling it's audience these days. They know what gets clicks I guess.

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 November 2017 18:54 (eight years ago)

they're "significant" based on what an la-based civil rights group says

kinda tired of the "o ny'ers" thing californians seem to default to

i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:58 (eight years ago)

it's more "o NYT" in my case

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 November 2017 18:58 (eight years ago)

http://www.racecounts.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Race-Counts-Launch-Report-digital.pdf

i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:59 (eight years ago)

don't think that roger o'daltry would have considered CA not being progressive enough to be a reason not to move here

akm, Monday, 27 November 2017 19:15 (eight years ago)

WHAT'S A COUNTY ANYWAY

http://www.ppic.org/content/images/PoliticalGeogFigure-2_web.png

brimstead, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 01:27 (eight years ago)


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