Her family lives there. Her family and I don't really get along.
It is very far from our band, our friends, and my family.
It is expensive, and neither of us have real jobs - we temp, wait tables, drive trucks, eBay, run very small record labels, etc. No income to speak of. No savings.
I am VERY happy down south. I'd probably spend the rest of my life here in Tennessee if I could. The people, the prices, the mountains, the food...
I HATE the idea of smog, clusters of people (that's why I left NYC), noise, traffic, high priced rent / gas / houses / insurance etc, and the fact that everyone wants to be famous for some reason.
But she REALLY wants to move there and I want to make her happy.
I feel the lady doth ask too much. Help me out.
― O'erbite Doggy Dogg (roger adultery), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)
so you don't live near the Smokies, then?
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― mouse (mouse), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― mouse (mouse), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)
I like parts of LA - I might be convinced to live near Venice Beach but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)
The only way I'd live in California again is if I had truckloads of money. It's nowhere to live if you're poor or middle-class. But god amighty, the food was incredible and Amoeba Records lives there.
― Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― charleston charge (chaki), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matt Chesnut, Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)
You won't easily find a three bedroom house for $600 in California, even if you don't live in SF/LA/SD. But I did a quick Craiglist search for rents in Sacramento, and saw a 3br for $1000. One thing you might consider is that the minimum wage in California $6.75. I'm not sure what it is in Tennessee, but I bet it's closer to the national minimum of $5.15. But beyond that, the difference in rent is usually offset by the difference in wages. Californians get paid more on the whole, which offsets the increased cost of living.
Also, despite the fact that the market isn't what it was in 1998, the job market in California is actually pretty damned good lately.
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)
I find this pretty insulting. I received an excellent education at a supposedly underperforming school. In the very least, our schools don't put stickers in our science books to debunk the theory of evolution.
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― mouse (mouse), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 6 March 2005 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)
Roger you should look into northern cal, it's beautiful and inexpensive. finding work is the hard part but if you're looking for non office work you're probably in a better position.
― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 6 March 2005 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― ()ops (()()ps), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 6 March 2005 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)
Obviously not an easy decision. I wish you both well.
― jim wentworth (wench), Sunday, 6 March 2005 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)
Hahaha, that's about right... that's where we lived. It looked better in the rearview mirror. Always a pleasure to go up to Mt. Shasta and over to Lassen, though. Sourpuss is right, though, the sameness of the mind-frying sun is mizzable in the summer.
Adamrl, I blow a big raspberry in your general direction.
― Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 6 March 2005 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)
What's not wonderful:
(1) $$$$$$$$$$$$$, as everyone has mentioned. If you have a trust fund, or other sources of wealth, by all means, live there. It's a beautiful, lively, never-boring (well, at least most parts of it aren't boring) place to live. If you don't have $$$, you'll be extremely unhappy in a very short span of time.
(2) The ever-present looming threat of unavoidable natural disaster. Earthquakes all over the stae (but especially the coasts). Huge massive fires in the south. Floods, mudslides, etc., in the north. Oh, now that unstoppable rain seems to be a feature, you can say floods and mudslides in the south too. If you don't believe me, read anything by Joan Didion or, better yet, read Marc Reisner's A Dangerous Fate.
(3) Overcrowding. But I suppose California doesn't have a monopoly on this phenomenon.
(4) Increasing divide between coasts and interior. The big myth is the divide between North and South, but that's mostly hype nowadays. The true cultural divide is between the cities/suburbs on the coasts and communities in the interior (San Joaquin Valley, Fresno, Bakersfield, etc.).
Again, read Reisner.
But you may end up moving there anyway; California has that effect on people.
― ffirehorse (firehorse), Monday, 7 March 2005 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 7 March 2005 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 7 March 2005 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)
Anthony, do you feel vindicated?
Roger, you would find anything like Knoxville in California. That said, think about Petaluma/Santa Rosa or perhaps down the 17 corridor between Salinas and San Jose. You would have to commute to go to a city but it wouldn't long and both areas are very pretty. Do not go to Sacramento. It's hot/cold, boring, and the air quality would not be to your liking.
― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 7 March 2005 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/us/california-today-how-progressive-is-the-golden-state.html
Is the Golden State really a progressive utopia? Hardly, according to new research from the Advancement Project California, a Los Angeles-based civil rights group. In studying seven key quality of life issues: crime and justice, democracy, economic opportunity, education, healthy built environment, health care access and housing, researchers found significant markers of disparity in counties throughout the state.
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:52 (eight years ago)
disparities throughout the most populace state in the country, who would've thought
NYT is just trolling it's audience these days. They know what gets clicks I guess.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 November 2017 18:54 (eight years ago)
they're "significant" based on what an la-based civil rights group says
kinda tired of the "o ny'ers" thing californians seem to default to
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:58 (eight years ago)
it's more "o NYT" in my case
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 November 2017 18:58 (eight years ago)
http://www.racecounts.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Race-Counts-Launch-Report-digital.pdf
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 27 November 2017 18:59 (eight years ago)
don't think that roger o'daltry would have considered CA not being progressive enough to be a reason not to move here
― akm, Monday, 27 November 2017 19:15 (eight years ago)
WHAT'S A COUNTY ANYWAY
http://www.ppic.org/content/images/PoliticalGeogFigure-2_web.png
― brimstead, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 01:27 (eight years ago)