It is March 2005 in Iraq

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And while it's true that events elsewhere in the Middle East have been getting more attention -- and no question that the rally today in Beirut was flat-out spectacular, though this is no slam-dunk of merriment quite yet -- let us not forget what's still going on.

There is still no Iraqi government, though the parliament elected seats itself on Wednesday -- even though not much may happen.

The exact nature of the amount of corruption and money-wasting under US control bubbles up once again. Lots of buck-passing, little if any action, plenty to wonder about.

And the troops? Well, quite understandably perhaps, some have found ways to pass the time:

Troops often carry personal cameras and video equipment in battle. On occasion, official military camera crews, known as "Combat Camera" units, follow the troops on raids and patrol. Although the military uses that footage for training and public affairs, it also finds its way to personal computers and commercial websites.

The result: an abundance of photographs and video footage depicting mutilation, death and destruction that soldiers collect and trade like baseball cards.

"I have a lot of pictures of dead Iraqis — everybody does," said Spc. Jack Benson, 22, also stationed near Baqubah. He has collected five videos by other soldiers and is working on his own.

By adding music, soldiers create their own cinema verite of the conflict. Although many are humorous or patriotic, others are gory, like McCollough's favorite.

"It gets the point across," he said. "This isn't some jolly freakin' peacekeeping mission."

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McCullough was surprised that his favorite video was disturbing to his loved ones back in Texas.

"You find out just how weird it is when you take it home," said McCullough, whose screensaver is far more benign, showing him on his wedding day.

Brandi McCullough, then his fiancee and now his wife, said she had walked in as he was showing the videos to friends who were "whooping and hollering."

The 18-year-old was shocked by images of "body parts missing, bombs going off and people getting shot."

"They're terrifying," she said by phone from Texas. "Chase never talked about anything over there, and I watch the news, but not all the time. I didn't realize there was that much" violence.

She also wondered why anyone would record it.

"I thought it was odd — a home video," she said. "People getting shot and someone sitting there with a camera."

McCullough said his father, a naval reserve captain, had told him, " 'You know, this isn't normal.'

"They were pretty shocked," he said. "They didn't realize this is what we see."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

FUCK A JOLLY PEACEKEEPIN

Mr. Harvey Weinstein (mr harvey weinstein), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

"I have a lot of pictures of dead Iraqis — everybody does," said Spc. Jack Benson, 22...

So much more sanitary than collecting detached ears or scalps. But equally true to life.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

I watch the news, but not all the time. I didn't realize there was that much" violence.

It's a fucking war that your husband is in and you didn't realize there was "that much" violence?????

Magic City (ano ano), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

*blinks*

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)

Like she said, her husband didn't talk about it much -- which is not a surprising reaction at all. If she's not paying attention to the news, well, that's another matter but there ya go.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)

But it is still a war!

Magic City (ano ano), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:32 (twenty years ago)

No, we beat Saddam, remember. This is all just peacekeeping. (Thus the comment by the one soldier who sees through the crap rhetoric.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:49 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure a lot of soldiers in Iraq are frustrated that so few folks at home realize the extent of the violence they face on a daily basis. The numbers of troops in Iraq was raised to 150,000 last December, up from 125,000 or so. But the casualty rate in this war has exceeded 1,500 dead and much more importantly to the average soldier, the rate of wounded is almost ten times that.

When you realize this war is two years old, and that most tours of duty there have been extended beyond a year up to a year and a half, and the casualty rate has been climbing steadily month-over-month almost ever since we arrived, then those are pretty grim odds for the dogfaces. They may not be dying in droves, but they're losing limbs by the bushel in these car bomb attacks.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 05:18 (twenty years ago)

It seems more recent attacks are directed at the Iraqi forces (such as they are). But the amount of US wounded is nothing to sneeze at, and I suspect the accounting from that will yet have consequences.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 05:28 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, the Italians are leaving by September.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

IS there any reason to suspect a strong correlation between OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM and the protests in syria other than fascist propaganda putters like time and the economist blasting big letters and bigger phrases and pictures in our faces? seriously now.

i don't know much about what's going on in beirut.

the suspectirizer, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

protests in syria? maybe you mean lebanon.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

The link is likely simply opportunistic -- ie, the US attempting to take advantage of a situation wherein an assassination has apparently had the wrong effect. If you read some of the folderol over the past couple of weeks, the assumptions being drawn are that all the evil tyrannical places are going down and there will be happy democracies all of whom love the US, and that this will all take place in about two weeks or so. Hardly. That said, the Assad regime is thoroughly putzlike.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

NO hstencil i meant ABOUT syria

(yes)

the other two things i heard about: REFORMS IN SAUDI ARABIA (no shit, zero to do w/ iraq war) VOTING IN PALESTINE or something (i have no idea what this is about i heard nothing of it when it happened, i just figure it had to do w/ arafat). and then the protests in LEBANON of which i know little about except that they're happening and ('cordin to what ned said) where motivated by that assassination thing. it all smelled like reeking bullshit to me but since i know nothing about the history/current events i can't really elucidate on it)

i need to subscribe to some newsmagazines i guess. (hope to get one for the economist soon)

the subscribirizer, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

The voting in Palestine was simply the normal and expected result of Arafat's death. There's no reason to act surprised that it happened. The "reforms" in Saudi Arabia will not inconvenience the Saudi royal family in the slightest bit or loosen their grip on power one jot. They are empty.

The whole spin about democracy's a'comin' to them arabs, real soon now, is just the latest barrage of propaganda from BushCo, meant to prove their apparent excellence and meritorious wonderfulness.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

And, this should be a separate thread, but - Karen Hughes is going to be the ambassador to promote that democracy to the entire Middle East! Karen fucking Hughes! Between her and John Bolton, Bush has pretty much flown his middle finger to the top of the flag post when it comes to "international relations".

aimurchie (aimurchie), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)

there's gonna be another election for the Palestinians in the fall, for parliament (or what resembles it). that's probably what you're hearing about. gonna be a big test for abu mazen, esp. over whether fatah can beat hamas, or bring hamas into the fold, or whatever.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 05:12 (twenty years ago)

Between her and John Bolton, Bush has pretty much flown his middle finger to the top of the flag post when it comes to "international relations"

Talkingpointsmemo said something about how apparently Lugar at least wanted to grind Bolton's confirmation a bit into the ground, thus he won't get his hearings until April. We'll see.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 05:21 (twenty years ago)

Congress will approve him, just because the domestic agenda is so scary. But I would like to see a fight.
The leading "Talk of the Town" piece in the New Yorker is particularly good. I can't link it.
As for Karen fucking Hughes...a former local t.v. reporter who became part of the Bush campaign, became a senior advisor, spun silk out of feces, left D.C. to move her family back to Texas, wrote a book, came back into the Bush 2004 camp and is now....the ambassador. Tell me, what are her qualifications?
GRRR. I'm so pissed off. I wish I didn't have to know these things.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 05:54 (twenty years ago)

Her qualifications? You said yourself she spun silk from feces. The situation in Iraq is sufficiently fecal to require such talents. With the largest embassy and staff in the world, she'll have plenty of shadow ambassadors and operatives to think and act for her. She will pretty much still be working in PR exclusively is my guess.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

aimchurchie-

COMMENT
BOLTONISM
Issue of 2005-03-21
Posted 2005-03-14


Barring a sudden and improbable outbreak of independent judgment in the Senate, John Bolton will soon be confirmed as President Bush’s Ambassador to the United Nations, an institution he openly disdains. “It is a President’s prerogative to name his ambassadors,” Secretary-General Kofi Annan meekly told reporters last week. When he was asked whether he saw the nomination as a hostile act, he laughed and said, “I’m not sure I want to be drawn on that one.” At U.N. headquarters, staffers walked around in a daze of disbelief. They had hoped that Bush’s congenial European trip—combined with the U.N.’s moves toward internal reform and its indispensable role in pulling off the Iraqi elections—would spawn a U.S.-U.N. détente. Then came word that Bush was sending them Bolton.

“I’m pro-American,” Bolton says, as if that required him to be anti-world. He dismisses the U.N.’s tools for promoting peace and security. International law? “It is a big mistake for us to grant any validity to international law even when it may seem in our short-term interest to do so—because, over the long term, the goal of those who think that international law really means anything are those who want to constrict the United States.” (Never mind that such laws might have “constricted” the torture of detainees.) Humanitarian intervention? It’s “a right of intervention that is just a gleam in one beholder’s eye but looks like flat-out aggression to somebody else.” Negotiation as a way of dealing with rogue states? “I don’t do carrots,” Bolton says.

It is easy to catalogue the things that John Bolton doesn’t “do”—encourage payment of U.N. dues, support the International Criminal Court, strengthen international disarmament treaties. What he does do is less obvious. As Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, he has rightly been given credit for the Proliferation Security Initiative, which attempts to interdict shipments of fissile material and which is supported by sixty nations, including France and Germany. But on his watch North Korea, the chief target of his ire, reprocessed enough plutonium to make six new nuclear weapons. Bolton boasts of “taking a big bottle of Wite-Out” to President Clinton’s signature on the statute for the International Criminal Court (“a product of fuzzy-minded romanticism” that is “not just naïve but dangerous”). Yet the Administration’s assault on the I.C.C. has, in fact, bolstered the court’s legitimacy internationally. Powerful middle-tier countries (like Germany) have helped make up the loss of American funds and personnel, and the court is now deep into investigations of mass slaughter in Congo and Uganda.

Bolton is also a longtime skeptic of tools that are increasingly part of the Bush Administration’s arsenal. Nation building is a “fallacy,” he thinks. “The U.S. is still engaged in nation building here two hundred and twenty-five years plus after the Declaration of Independence, and we still have a long way to go,” he said in 2002. “The idea that we can nation build for somebody else is just unrealistic.” When Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice announced Bolton’s nomination, last Monday, she said, “We who are on the right side of freedom’s divide have an obligation to help those who are unlucky enough to be born on the wrong side of that divide.” But Bolton, who stood stoically next to her, has never believed that spreading freedom is America’s business.

It is unclear what the Bush Administration has in mind by shipping Bolton to New York. The appointment has been spun as “Nixon goes to China.” Nixon, however, actually went to China: the visit was compatible with his world view. Bolton, by contrast, seems averse to compromise, and is apparently committed to the belief that the U.N. and international law undermine U.S. interests. If he is to be an engine for U.N. reform, he will have to jettison his core values. He will have to work on expanding the Security Council, even though, in 1997, he said, “Leave the veto alone, and leave the Security Council’s membership alone.” (More recently, he suggested shrinking membership to a single state: his.) He will have to work with European states, even though he believes that “some Europeans have never lost faith in appeasement as a way of life.” He will have to coöperate with China, even though he has called for full diplomatic recognition of Taiwan. And, if the Administration is serious about prosecuting the perpetrators of atrocities in Darfur, he will have to allow the Security Council to refer the case to the I.C.C.

The appointment of John Bolton has the look of a bureaucratic fix for an Administration that doesn’t really care what happens to the U.N. At the State Department, Bolton, a protégé of Vice- President Dick Cheney, has behaved more like a grandstander at a conservative think tank than like a diplomat. Colin Powell endured the collateral damage caused by his outbursts, but Rice made it plain that she would have none of it, and passed over Bolton for Deputy Secretary of State. Cheney reportedly then insisted that Bolton get the U.N. When Madeleine Albright and Richard Holbrooke were appointed U.N. Ambassadors, President Clinton announced the nominations. Bush did the same for his first-term nominees, John Negroponte and John Danforth. Rice, in naming Bolton herself, sent a not so subtle signal that she expects to remain boss.

Nobody is more aware of a “U.N. in crisis” than the U.N.’s senior officials. They know that the U.N. is first and foremost a gathering of states, and an organization run by the most powerful of them. To be effective, the U.N., as Bolton himself has said, “requires sustained American leadership.” Kofi Annan, speaking in Madrid three days after the nomination, praised Bolton’s Proliferation Security Initiative and said that the “most vital” aim of the U.N. should be denying terrorists access to nuclear materials. The Administration did not return the love: instead, Rice sent Annan a letter informing him that the United States had unilaterally withdrawn from yet another international agreement, this one regarding an international court’s jurisdiction over the claims of foreigners held in American jails.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee will have a lot to contemplate when the ever-quotable Bolton arrives for confirmation. At the U.N. last week, the most discussed Boltonism was the claim that if the U.N. building “lost ten stories it wouldn’t make a bit of difference.” One staffer sighed and said, “He didn’t say which ten floors he would like to see disappear. Perhaps that leaves us some room for influence.”

— Samantha Power

Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Thank you, Michael White. It's a really great piece. I particularly enjoyed re- reading Kofi Annans modest reply. Because of politeness, and protocol, the international tendency is to respond modestly to BushCo's overt imperialism. Like, "I'm sure there's something nice to say about it, so I'll try to say something nice." It's also called diplomacy - the complex dance that governments engage in - where a subtle word can become a statement.
There is no subtle word from the U.S. It's a mandate - choose or lose. It's a big Texas cowboy boot in the face of a century of careful consideration.
As for Iraq - I believe most of the population in the U.S. is , like, over it. Like, aren't they, like, a democracy now? Like, whatever.
The "liberal" press continues to report about a country that is in a state of complete chaos - and soldiers report that they don't know what they're doing - but,whatever, now it's a democracy. I think about it, and I cannot rational;ize why, why, why we have destroyed the infrastructure of another country, promising great things and then reneging - and outsourcing the rebuilding to profit ourselves? It's not about democracy - it's about profit.
Democracy is a great idea - but capitalism really changes it. The CONCEIT that we are promoting democracy - within and without - is stunning. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose....

aimurchie (aimurchie), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, an interesting e-mail that's being quoted here, apparently from 'an account of a presentation given by one of the leaders of 1st Cav Div, just back from Iraq' -- I don't have the extra provenance and the fact that it's the National Review blog that is highlighting it automatically makes me suspicious; still, if valid it's a good perspective to keep in mind, as it is neither all 'yay hooray' nor 'ARGH!' At the very least, note that it highlights, however obliquely, issues of the impact of poor planning on things needed by Iraqis and civil society in general (note points 5 and 12 through 14) -- one of the screwier defenses I've read recently about problems with the two year occupation is an attitude of 'well the historians can figure out where things went wrong' as if that is solely an abstract. Anyway, read on:

1. While units of the Cav served all over Iraq, he spoke mostly of Baghdad and more specifically Sadr City, the big slum on the eastern side of the Tigris River. He pointed out that Baghdad is, in geography, is about the size of Austin. Austin has 600,000 to 700,000 people. Baghdad has 6 to7 million people.

2. The Cav lost 28 main battle tanks. He said one of the big lessons learned is that, contrary to doctrine going in, M1-A2s and Bradleys are needed, preferred and devastating in urban combat and he is going to make that point to the JCS next week while they are considering downsizing armor.

3. He showed a graph of attacks in Sadr City by month. Last Aug-Sep they were getting up to 160 attacks per week. During the last three months, the graph had flatlined at below 5 to zero per week.

4. His big point was not that they were "winning battles" to do this but that cleaning the place up, electricity, sewage, water were the key factors. He said yes they fought but after they started delivering services that the Iraqis in Sadr City had never had, the terrorist recruiting of 15 and 16 year olds came up empty.

5. The electrical "grid" is a bad, deadly joke. Said that driving down the street in a Hummv with an antenna would short out a whole block of apt. buildings. People do their own wiring and it was not uncommon for early morning patrols would find one or two people lying dead in the street, having been electrocuted trying to re-wire their own homes.

6. Said that not tending to a dead body in the Muslim culture never happens. On election day, after suicide bombers blew themselves up trying to take out polling places, voters would step up to the body lying there, spit on it, and move up in the line to vote.

7. Pointed out that we all heard from the media about the 100 Iraqis killed as they were lined up to enlist in the police and security service. What the media didn't point out was that the next day there 300 lined up in the same place.

8. Said bin Laden and Zarqawi made a HUGE mistake when bin laden went public with naming Zarqawi the "prince" of al Qaeda in Iraq. Said that what the Iraqis saw and heard was a Saudi telling a Jordanian that his job was to kill Iraqis. HUGE mistake. It was one of the biggest factors in getting Iraqis who were on the "fence" to jump off on the side of the coalition and the new gov't.

9. Said the MSM was making a big, and wrong, deal out of the religious sects. Said Iraqis are incredibly nationalistic. They are Iraqis first and then say they are Muslim but the Shi'a - Sunni thing is just not that big a deal to them.

10. After the election the Mayor of Baghdad told him that the people of the region (Middle East) are joyous and the governments are nervous.

11. Said that he did not lose a single tanker truck carrying oil and gas over the roads of Iraq. Think about that. All the attacks we saw on TV with IEDs hitting trucks but he didn't lose one. Why? Army Aviation. Praised his air units and said they made the decision early on that every convoy would have helicopter air cover. Said aviators in that unit were hitting the 1,000 hour mark (sound familiar?). Said a convoy was supposed to head out but stopped at the gates of a compound on the command of an E6. He asked the SSG what the hold up was. E6 said, "Air , sir." He wondered what was wrong with the air, not realizing what the kid was talking about. Then the AH-64s showed up and the E6 said, "That air sir." And then moved out.

12. Said one of the biggest problems was money and regs. There was a $77 million gap between the supplemental budget and what he needed in cash on the ground to get projects started. Said he spent most of his time trying to get money. Said he didn't do much as a "combat commander" because the war he was fighting was a war at the squad and platoon level. Said that his NCOs were winning the war and it was a sight to behold.

13. Said that of all the money appropriated for Iraq, not a cent was earmarked for agriculture. Said that Iraq could feed itself completely and still have food for export but no one thought about it. Said the Cav started working with Texas A&M on ag projects and had special hybrid seeds sent to them through Jordan. TAM analyzed soil samples and worked out how and what to plant. Said he had an E7 from Belton, TX (just down the road from Ft. Hood) who was almost single-handedly rebuilding the ag industry in the Baghdad area.

14. Said he could hire hundreds of Iraqis daily for $7 to $10 a day to work on sewer, electric, water projects, etc. but that the contracting rules from CONUS applied so he had to have $500,000 insurance policies in place in case the workers got hurt. Not kidding. The CONUS peacetime regs slowed everything down, even if they could eventually get waivers for the regs.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 March 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

I hung out with a guy who was an Army medic who was on a month's leave this past weekend. He was surprisingly well adjusted. I doubt he saw much combat, but Im sure he saw the product of combat on a daily basis. I didnt really ask him many tough questions because thats rude as all fuck and kinda rediculous, but despite all the hand wringing that comes from the bloggers not all of our troops are doomed to psychotic episodes and lives of permanent injury.

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Said that his NCOs were winning the war and it was a sight to behold.

NCOs have always been the critical cohort. Sometimes the brass contribute value as in WWII. Sometimes they just screw things up as in WWI or Vietnam. This is just another indictment of the leadership at the top as dead weight.

not all of our troops are doomed to psychotic episodes and lives of permanent injury

Well, some of the permanently injured ones will get titanium replacement parts. As for the psychic damage, it is a problem for the front line combat troops, not so much for the support troops.

The combat soldiers tend to coalesce into small, fiercely loyal bands, who help each other cope. The worst part for the combat soldiers tends to come when they are removed from their unit and shipped home to civilian life. They lose their support group and become lost at sea in a world that hasn't got a clue. How they cope from there on is a crap shoot. (Hint: it doesn't help to join the VFW.)

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

This is depressing. . .


Death at 'Immoral' Picnic in the Park
Students are Beaten to Death for Playing Music as Shia Militiamen Run Amok

by Katherine Philp

THE students had begun to lay out their picnic in the spring sunshine when the men attacked.

“There were dozens of them, armed with guns, and they poured into the park,” Ali al-Azawi, 21, the engineering student who had organized the gathering in Basra, said.

“They started shouting at us that we were immoral, that we were meeting boys and girls together and playing music and that this was against Islam.

“They began shooting in the air and people screamed. Then, with one order, they began beating us with their sticks and rifle butts.” Two students were said to have been killed.

Standing over them as the blows rained down was the man who gave the order, dressed in dark clerical garb and wearing a black turban. Ali recognized him immediately as a follower of Hojatoleslam Moqtada al-Sadr, the radical Shia cleric. Ali realized then that the armed men were members of Hojatoleslam al-Sadr’s Mehdi Army, a private militia that fought American forces last year and is now enforcing its own firebrand version of Islam.

The picnic had run foul of the Islamist powers that increasingly hold sway in the fly-blown southern city, where religious militias rule the streets, forcing women to don the veil and closing down shops that sell alcohol or music.

In the election in January, the battle between secular and religious forces in Basra came down to the ballot box. The main Shia alliance triumphed with 70 per cent of the province’s vote, most of the rest going to a secular rival.

That victory has brought to a head the issue of whether Iraq’s new constitution will adopt Islamic law — or Sharia — as most religious Shia leaders desire.

In Basra, however, Islamic militias already are beginning to apply their own version of that law, without authority from above or any challenge from the police.

Students say that there was nothing spontaneous about the attack. Police were guarding the picnic in the park, as is customary at any large public gathering, but allowed the armed men in without any resistance.

One brought a video camera to record the sinful spectacle of the picnic, footage of which was later released to the public as a warning to others.

It showed images of one girl struggling as a gunman ripped her blouse off, leaving her half-naked. “We will send these pictures to your parents so they can see how you were dancing naked with men,” a gunman told her. Two students who went to her aid were shot — one in the leg, the other twice in the stomach. The latter was said to have died of his injuries. Fellow students say that the girl later committed suicide. Another girl who was severely beaten around the head lost her sight.

Far from disavowing the attack, senior al-Sadr loyalists said that they had a duty to stop the students’ “dancing, sexy dress and corruption”.

“We beat them because we are authorized by Allah to do so and that is our duty,” Sheik Ahmed al-Basri said after the attack. “It is we who should deal with such disobedience and not the police.”

After escaping with two students, Ali reached a police station and asked for help. “What do you expect me to do about it?” a uniformed officer asked.

Ali went to the British military base at al-Maakal and pleaded with the duty officer at the gate. “You’re a sovereign country now. We can’t help. You have to go to the Iraqi authorities,” the soldier replied.

When the students tried to organize demonstrations, they were broken up by the Mehdi Army. Later the university was surrounded by militiamen, who distributed leaflets threatening to mortar the campus if they did not call off the protests.

When the militia began to set up checkpoints and arrest students, Ali fled to Baghdad.

A British spokesman said that troops were unable to intervene unless asked to by the Iraqi authorities.

Colonel Kareem al-Zeidy, Basra’s police chief, pleaded helplessness. “What can I do? There is no government, no one to give us authority,” he said. “The political parties are the most powerful force in Basra right now.”

The students have begun an indefinite strike, but fear that there is little that they can do to stop the march of violent fundamentalism. Saleh, 21, another engineering student, said: “If this is how they deal with the most educated in Basra, how would they deal with ordinary people? The soul of our city is at stake.”

Copyright 2005 Times Newspapers Ltd.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)


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