once again, the jesus freaks and the republicans (i know, i know, REDUNDANT) are sticking their fucking noses where THEY DON'T FUCKING BELONG

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the terri schiavo story

thanks, jeb. now can terri schiavo die in peace, without YOU and the WOMB GOONS interfering?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:32 (twenty years ago)

this isn't new.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:37 (twenty years ago)

makes sense, really. if you claim to value all innocent-by-your-definition life, and that this is an Intrusion from Big Government in taking her life, then this is a Bad Thing and should be stopped.

note the calls to "morality" in this case, but only from one side. you know, i really need to start a thread about George Lakoff, and how both sides have a coherent systems of morals & values, but only one side has worked out how to talk about theirs(whereas the other side doesn't always know their's).

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:42 (twenty years ago)

also, that jesus freaks aren't always republicans, but it's gotten to the point that we think that way since the deliberately louder jesus freaks over the last 30 years have been republicans.

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

Republicans are always louder, until you ask them to explain themselves.

Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

Isn't it counterproductive as a leftie to fling around phrases like "womb goons", Tad? I mean, just thinking we hate the right doing things like that... we shouldn't stoop to it too ;)

Still, glad to hear the court did not prevail. I am very very for euthanasia, so much so I hope it is legal when/if I am old and infirm. Or else I may have to go the Hunter Thompson route. I'm not joking.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 18 March 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

Same here.

Who the fuck tells me what to do with my life? It's MINE.

Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 18 March 2005 06:05 (twenty years ago)

Isn't it counterproductive as a leftie to fling around phrases like "womb goons", Tad?

yes, you are correct trayce. but this story just REALLY gets me pissed, b/c i see it as a bunch of religious busybodies who are using this woman's (as well as her husband's and family's) tragedy for their ends. once again, getting involved in PRIVATE matters so that they can cram THEIR beliefs down peoples' throats (as well as to slander and to bankrupt the husband in the process). AND the fact that the bushes got involved in this as well, exploiting all of this grief for political gain.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 18 March 2005 06:12 (twenty years ago)

on the plus side, that rapist dude who killed the judge was convinced by a jesus freak to turn himself in.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 March 2005 06:44 (twenty years ago)

I think, though I dont know for sure, but i *think* the reason this thing got as ugly as it did is because the dying womans family didn't want her to die? Only her husband did. That is kind of a sticky situ.. who gets the final say? This stuff makes me so paranoid I'm wondering how legal it is to write up some kind of document while alive that says "do not rescusitate... do not put on life support.. I dont care what my family think, if I am suffering and wouldve died if not for technology then LET ME DIE FFS".

Well, in more legal terms, of course.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 18 March 2005 06:48 (twenty years ago)

on the plus side, that rapist dude who killed the judge was convinced by a jesus freak to turn himself in.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...) (webmail), March 18th, 2005 6:44 AM. (hstencil) (link)


yeah, that was pretty awe-inspiring.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 18 March 2005 06:49 (twenty years ago)

i found it so, yeah.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 March 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, are they giving that woman the Congressional Medal of Honor or something? She kicks ass.

sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Friday, 18 March 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

can i tell you how much i love the phrase womb goons

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 18 March 2005 07:17 (twenty years ago)

I am very very for euthanasia, so much so I hope it is legal when/if I am old and infirm.

I think the Baby Boom generation is going to sort that shit out. We've got an awful lot of people fixing to die in the next 20-30 years, and I don't think they're going to do it on anyone's terms but their own. Some of the taboos about talking about death and dying and how we do it have already started to crumble as the Boomers are watching their parents die. I expect that to continue, no matter what the life zealots say. Case in point is a 50-ish woman I work with, who said just the other day, "You know, when it's inoperable or terminal or the chances are 95 percent against me, just make sure I've got good drugs and as little pain as possible and let me go." Fuckin' A. I think that's one reason The Barbarian Invasions resonated like it did -- I know lots of people who loved that movie, and I think a lot of it has to do with its kind of idyllic presentation of the choose-your-own-death scenario. (Interesting that didn't raise the fuss that Million Dollar Baby did, even though it also won an Oscar and more or less advocated heroin for cancer patients. But it was in French, and I guess the pro-life pros don't watch movies in French.)

But yeah, the Schiavo thing...I can't believe people are talking about mass protests outside her hospice. I'm sorry, but if I was at a hospice and a bunch of people showed up outside to protest, I'd have somebody wheel me to the window and get me a megaphone so I could shout, "Do you fucking mind? Some of us are trying to die here!"

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 18 March 2005 08:24 (twenty years ago)

Her feeding tube has been removed twice before, most recently in 2003. That year, Gov. Jeb Bush pushed a law through the Florida Legislature that authorized him to resume the woman's feedings six days after a court stopped them. The Florida Supreme Court later ruled the law unconstitutional.

(whimpers)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 18 March 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)

Though the idea of Jeb leaving work early to feed Terri Schiavo (possibly in a mother-bird manner) isn't bad.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 18 March 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)

I know where Jebby lives!

I can't believe her parents think she has the ability to make a comeback. She's BRAIN-DEAD!

Quit glaring at Ian Riese-Moraine! He's mentally fraught! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

it's complicated.

everyone should see wiseman's near death

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

I think that they should take her back to her father in Cuba.

Oh, wait. That was something else.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

This stuff makes me so paranoid I'm wondering how legal it is to write up some kind of document while alive that says "do not rescusitate... do not put on life support.. I dont care what my family think, if I am suffering and wouldve died if not for technology then LET ME DIE FFS".

Very very legal.

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Friday, 18 March 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

Very very legal.

yes -- in the United States. (the relevant documents are called "advance directives.")

in australia (where trayce and adam are), i don't know if they have such things.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 18 March 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Well shit.

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Friday, 18 March 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

Who the fuck tells me what to do with my life? It's MINE.

The government tells you what the fuck to do with your life at many, many junctures. Or does your ire only get raised on the issue of euthanasia?

don weiner, Friday, 18 March 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

It's really, really complicated. And now congress has stepped in. Yikes.
She did not leave a document about her wishes - so, legally, her life ends up in the hands of her legal guardian - in this case, her husband.
I don't really understand why he is so adamant about removing her feeding tube when her parents seem quite happy to parent her. it just seems like they should be allowed to have her, simply because there is no way to determine what her choice might be.
I can't presume to know what she would choose. One segment of the argument is from people with disabilities. They are horrified that a life, no matter how compromised, could be ended because it isn't deemed as worthy as, say, a regular, ambulatory person.
I firmly support euthanasia - when the person has dictated that choice. It's a slippery slope - but because her life is worthwhile to her parents, it seems strange to insist that she die.
The truly horrifying part is the removal, and then resuming, of her feeding tube while her life is argued about. She's in a semi-vegetative state, with little hope of recovery. But her parents like her that way. Go figure.
I wouldn't want to exist in that state - and that's why I have written a living will. Y'know, do not resuscitate, give the organs away, donate the corpse to a medical school, and then burn it and spread the ashes as fertilizer.
The hard part is that her situation is polarizing for people with disabilities. it can seem, from that perspective, like her life is somehow invalid because she is disabled.
It's so difficult and confusing to have an opinion about something that is, essentially, a story about conflicting emotions. There are so many people who are rejected and abused by their parents. Why not let these parents have their daughter? But maybe her husband is right, and this is not the life she would have chosen.
i don't have any answers - just more questions. But it would be really great if we could stop torturing this woman.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Friday, 18 March 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Get real don, euthanasia is about life and death, not how much of your income you can hide from the IRS.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 18 March 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

This whole story makes me almost physically ill, it's just so horrible. The latest is that Frist has formally asked the braindead woman to testify before Congress. Supposedly no one may "obstruct or interfere" with people who have been asked to provide testimony.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Maybe he can summon a medium.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

In the 'not that surprising' angle, while Sullivan is thinking "Today's conservatism is becoming yesterday's liberalism" -- this was not meant as a compliment.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

omg thats probably the most tactical thing Frist has ever engineered.

Im all for not intervening into this issue, but they dont have any record of Schiavo saying she wanted to go, right? So its basically word of the husband versus word of the family..

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Whoops, the first main clause of my post disappeared -- NRO follies:

A. McCarthy complains

Some parts of the Corner are going nuts. Interesting, though, many aren't.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

The subpoena thing had me laughing and threatening cranial explosion all within the same minute. I love how the Republicans want to keep brain-dead brothers and sisters (how can one tell the difference?) alive in the hopes that Jesus will come down in a Hallmark moment and revive them. It's appallingly demogogic or it's just plain hard-headedly stupid.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

The Senate Health Committee has requested that Terri Schiavo and her husband, Michael, appear at an official committee hearing on March 28.

OF FOR CRYING OUT FUCKING LOUD.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

This is so morbid. Are they actually going to wheel a brain-damaged woman into a Congressional meeting?

o. nate (onate), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

She's right at their level, apparently.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

Terri Schiavo - the new Keiko

a banana (alanbanana), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

just when you think that republicans can't get any more cynical or low-down, they always surprise you by getting more cynical and low-down.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

More NRO fun bits:

SENSENBRENNER
Is the problem in the House of Representatives right now, according to many, and high-ranking sources. He made it clear to senators yesterday that he would not accept the Martinez private relief bill that passed yesterday. His reasons being that it would break precedent and that it would encourage people to petition Congress more often (like death-row inmates). (My answer? So. Don’t jump at them.)

(followed up by)

Worth noting that the Senate bill passed has this:

SEC. 8. NO PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE LEGISLATION.

Nothing is this Act shall constitute a precedent with respect to future legislation.

Precedent-setting concerns shouldn't really be a concern, because the bill is so specific.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO ASK HER? FOR WHAT PURPOSE WOULD SHE BE INSIDE THE CAPITOL?

"MRS. SCHIAVO, HOW MANY FINGERS AM I HOLDING UP? WOULD YOU LIKE TO DIE TODAY????"

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

she is dead already.
have the mercy required of xians and release her.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

(god help me for making this joke)

WEEKEND AT TERRI'S

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

btw the reason religious folk are so up in arms over this and euthanasia in general is that they believe it circumvents god's will. to decide to die is to, in their minds, disbelieve in god, because he can heal anyone at any moment. to prevent god's golden hand from potentially saving you is to essentially deny god's existance, at least according to some christians (see: my parents). and so right to die bills are, to the right, laws that basically confirm that many people don't believe in god. and there's nothing more horrifying than that.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20050219/mdf865759.jpg

In other news, the aborted head of Manar Maged was ordered to testify before the Congressional Committee on Human Dignity. Though the head cannot speak, it can wink and smile.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

And put a song in your heart and some pep in your step.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

(A wink means it likes you)

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

From Rude Pundit:

3/18/2005
Terry Schiavo Must Die:
The time has come for the inevitable end of this story, this miserable lot of the last fifteen years for Terry Schiavo. Brain-damaged and rubber-boned, barely human anymore, Schiavo has the indignity of having her nerve-reflex smile paraded out every time the moment comes close for her to have to sink or swim, to learn quickly to feed herself or starve. She is the unfortunate child of narcisstic parents who have pathetically deluded themselves into believing that, at some point, the rock that rolls around in her head will once again become a brain. She sadly lives in a culture so driven mad by religion that people will gather and pray for her to go on "living" (if by "living," you mean "devolving into a gelatinous mound with a nerve-reflex smile"). Anyone even barely touched by the rationality that is supposed to mark us as the most advanced creatures on the planet know this to be true: She must die.

And it doesn't matter at this point how. Take out the feeding tube. Wheel her into the alley behind the hospice and put three bullets into the back of her foamy skull. Put her on a raft on Tampa Bay and send her out to the lovely Gulf of Mexico. Hell, a merciful nation would rejoice at this act and make sure there's fireworks and live music on the bayfront to accompany her on her last journey. A merciful God would have sent avenging angels to smite all those preening idiots outside the hospice with Gabriel announcing, "Are you all out of your fucking minds?" before setting the whole place, Schiavo and all, on fire.

But we are not a merciful nation, for we believe that suffering is a gift from God or some such bullshit, and if you are chosen to suffer, then suffer you must. If you're dirt poor, single, and homeless and you get pregnant, you must keep your baby, even though the overwhelming chance is that you and your baby will be hungry, cold, and miserable for the rest of both of your lives. Despite the fact that virtually every competent medical person who has walked into Schiavo's room and smelled the shit-scent of death has declared Schiavo a cabbage or, on a good day, a pea pod, the right smells opportunity to distract people from the gutting of programs that actually do good for the living . Other "experts" who have witnessed Schiavo's eyes follow a balloon on videotape are nonsensical idiots (and that includes Senate Majority Leader and noted cat-disemboweler Bill Frist).

Way back in 2000, before Schiavo became the rallying call for people who have nothing better to do, here is how the St. Petersburg Times described Schiavo's end: "If [the feeding tube] is removed, Mrs. Schiavo would die painlessly in a week or two. She does not feel hunger or thirst, and she would just drift away, doctors say." That fact, that Schiavo will not actually experience anything differently, is now left out of most media stories on her. The distorted face of Terry Schiavo is now merely a canvas upon which ideology has been writ large, where the notion of "life" has been perverted to mean "a heartbeat," and where the cruel vicissitudes of politics now rear their ugly, hydra-heads.

The right loves this. This is better than Elian Gonzalez. The National Review's Andrew McCarthy (who was so good in Pretty In Pink, but has really let himself go) rants like a baboon about to tear out the liver out of a fallen baboon enemy about Schiavo, saying that "she'd be better off if she were a terrorist." Schiavo's fate is like manna from heaven because anyone who dares to say, for instance, "Terry Schiavo Must Die," can instantly be labelled as uncaring and cruel and then you can go on Fox "News" and Hannity'll show that reflex-smile of the damned and everyone can say they are doing "what's best" for Schiavo.

Terry Schiavo was a vain woman, driven to bulimia by a sad desire to be thinner and thinner, afflicted, as so many women are and so many women aren't, by pop culture standards of thinness. Chances are it was the bulimia that led to the heart attack that led to the brain damage that led to the gooey being that is Schiavo being prayed over by the President and his brother. Now ask yourself: if Terry Schivao saw herself right now, knowing what we know about who she was and how she felt about looks, would she want to stay alive? You who know men and women like the pre-gelatinous Schiavo understand of what the Rude Pundit writes.

Now the Congress is involved. And the Republicans want Schiavo brought into the hearing room. What a spectacle that's gonna be. What a fucking horror show. What an embarrassment to this nation. All those righteous members of Congress, weeping because Schiavo can't answer their questions, listening to her machine sounds, the suckings, the gurgles. They called Schiavo before the committee in a little over a week because "it is a federal crime to harm or obstruct a person called to testify before Congress." Another person, another prop. Those fuckers in the GOP know what they're doing: force Democrats to vote against the bowl of jello in front of them and then use that as immunity in elections against charges that the Republicans are eliminating Social Security. What these disgusting, dirt-covered worms won't do to eat the flesh off the body politic.

The only comfort in any of this is that Schiavo won't know a fucking thing that's going on. She is an object, not a subject. She is acted upon. If Bill Frist wanted to test her reflexes by pulling up her gown and raping her in front of the gathered media, she would not care. If Tom DeLay wanted to pick her up and dance her around like a puppet, she would not care. She will never, ever care again. There is only one caring solution. She must die.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Good point there from Y. re: the exact motivations behind this. I find the means by which Frist et al have turned this into their own sick circus to be horrifyingly laughable, but the core bedrock belief is, in its own way, hopeful -- but at the same time contradictory, since in this case it is humankind that has kept Schiavo alive via technology. If she was fully released into 'god's hands' in terms of whether she would continue to live or not, then that would be more consistent, surely?

"she'd be better off if she were a terrorist."

Hahaha. I love that considering the NRO winks at all the detainee deaths. Sad, really.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

"If Bill Frist wanted to test her reflexes by pulling up her gown and raping her in front of the gathered media, she would not care."

If he does this, he gets my vote in 2008 I don't care who the Democrats put up.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

I mean isnt she basically dead already? If your brain struggles to KEEP YOU CONSCIOUS I doubt she has much sensation that could be construed as life. And the terrible irony is that one would think if she was allowed to fucking die she could move onto whatever form of 'afterlife' there is, yet in the world of the fundies when you commit suicide you're condemned to BURN IN HELL. So I guess being a perma-vegetable is as good as it gets for however more decades they can keep her alive for. Sad really..

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050316/capt.cho60103161859.brain_damaged_woman_cho601.jpg

the fuck? (alanbanana), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Battles cost money; resources cost money; media costs money;

we'll, they're certainly right about this. i just wish progressive efforts had more funding.

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

why is this woman not dead already?!~?!?! This is what I want to know.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

Maybe the upshot is that she lives forever.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

http://www.livejournal.com/users/terri_is_risen/1337.html

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

NED, THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=464

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

http://www.deathocrats.org/

http://www.deathocrats.org/protestors4.jpg

daria g (daria g), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)

here's hoping they don't change the .htaccess there anytime soon...

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)

http://thefucksociety.com/robin/terri.html

BEST RIFF ON METAL GEAR SOLID, EVER!

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 06:03 (twenty years ago)

a new flash game, RIPPED from today's headlines!

http://thefucksociety.com/robin/terri.html

BEST RIFF ON METAL GEAR SOLID, EVER! And just wait till you see what they use for power-ups and for the end boss fight!

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

dammit.

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

"For all the world to see, a 41-year-old woman, who has committed no crime, will die of dehydration and starvation in the longest public execution in American history."

Nat Hentoff in the Voice

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

nat hentoff has sucked ever since he stopped writing about jazz.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

but it is nice to see a contrarian view in the voice, i should add.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Yes, he did make some points that I hadn't heard before - such as that she may not actually be in a persistent vegetative state. However, some of his suggestions seemed deliberately obtuse - such as the idea that her due process rights are being violated because she wasn't allowed to name her own lawyer - wtf? How is she supposed to do that?

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

i'm boycotting chic-fil-a until she dies.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

someone pls photoshop terri's head on this:

http://www.2trak.com/morans.jpg

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

nat hentoff is a fucking crank, and always has been. the village voice should've sent his senile ass to the glue factory LONG ago.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

Randall Terry, an anti-abortion activist acting as a spokesman for the parents, said their legal team was planning an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, which has refused to hear the case three times in the past.

I rather like how the family is watching the tree branch get sawed slowly out from underneath them.

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

Hm, I don't. It's just all too sad (or, if you prefer, pathetic).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

I prefer pathetic, yes.

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

should've sent his senile ass to the glue factory LONG ago

I know this is a joke but it's regrettable.

So what exactly is the 'pro-life' position? If you don't have a living will with a DNR clause, you cannot be disconnected? Who is to pay for this? Have any of them addressed the morality of using resources (money, time, expertise) that could actually prevent human suffering on people who have ceased to suffer?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

i hope the inevitable South Park episode is funny.

latebloomer: AKA Sir Teddy Ruxpin, Former Scientologist (latebloomer), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

There's been a curious -- one might say suspicious -- silence at NRO blog lately about all this. Not entirely so, of course, but the tone has shifted somewhat, particularly when Randall Terry came on the scene (they've made more than one crack at how he just negatively impacts things as time goes on), in combination with the clear fact that Lopez apparently has realized she made some major rhetorical blunders as the pusher of this issue above all else for a while there. Her, earlier today:

As I’ve said before, I hate that this Schiavo case rose to a level of congressional involvement—these are heartbreaking issues families should deal with; if they can’t, courts should deal with fairly. Whether the latter happened is questionable at best, and there entered the real public debate.

...which is funny in that all you have to do is check the blog archives and see her essentially pleading -- almost flat out demanding -- that Congress act. She made a couple of noises last week that maybe she was perhaps 'naive' about a few things and now is apparently starting to try and distance herself from the cheerleading she happily encouraged. Combined with the sharp cutback in her posts every other minute, or so it seemed, on the matter -- one wonders if she came to a realization or her colleagues leaned a bit -- and an interesting comment or two about all the negative mail they've apparently received from their subscribers (in some cases rapidly becoming ex-subscribers) and the result's...intriguing. You have to read between the lines but still, they goofed, and now are looking elsewhere for things to talk about. Even Andy McCarthy's been reduced to rehashing his legal arguments as a timekiller that is affecting nothing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

yeah, there was a post at Orcinus, i think, that addressed that. among the other many weird ideas people have about the medical industry is one that supposes an infinite supply of resources. as long as you have the dough to pony up, obv there'll be a doctor, nursing staff, bed, med equip to go round, right?

kingfish, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

By special request:

http://www.eyecandyforthebrokenhearted.com/morans.jpg

kate/thank you friendly cloud (papa november), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

The whole crux of Henton's piece = the entire judicial branch/medical world is completely corrupt/incompetent seems somewhat suspect to me.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

thank you kate. you have made my day.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

...and I didn't even do a very good job of it :)

kate/thank you friendly cloud (papa november), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

you kept the mullet, which was the important thing.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

http://www.trigonalmayhem.com/schiavohulk.jpg

BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

OMG TURN ON SOUTH PARK NOW

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 31 March 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

i hope the inevitable South Park episode is funny.

Inevitable SP episode is on now

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Thursday, 31 March 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

latebloomer called it, good work man!

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 31 March 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

Hahah. How wonderful of them. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

does elian gonzalez make an appearance?

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Thursday, 31 March 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

BILL FRIST IS ALSO A SAVE POINT

a banana (alanbanana), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

eh, it was okay, a couple of good lines but nowhere near as jaw-dropping as the captured saddam episode.

xp oh yeah hahahahah

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:28 (twenty years ago)

http://www.foxnews.com/images/158694/45_28_033005_schiavo_protester2.jpg

SYMBOLISM

a banana (alanbanana), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:34 (twenty years ago)

i sleep now

a banana (alanbanana), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)

george and laura have living wills.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)

she's died.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

seriously, I just came back to this thread to find that nro article and bam there it was on CNN.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

It was the South Park episode.

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Finally, this ordeal is over, so we can put our nation's focus back on the Michael Jackson trial.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Really, thank god.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Arnold's craggy fingers, long since calloused from years of weight-lifting and action films, abrasively carressed the pale and soft flesh of the vegetable before him. Licking his dry lips, his sunken eyes almost lit with joy before collapsing into the deep purple bags of a hard life's toil. He contemplated the meaninglessness of this temporary escape from the endless dreary grey that permeated his unendingly vapid life.

He never asked for this desire, this sick lust for the half-living that nearly drove him to madness. Like a rusted car struggling to start after years of rotting away, his grunts seemed like the cries of a dying soul, clinging to what little beauty and pleasure it could before finally breaking free of this mortal coil and spiraling into the endless nightmare of schizophrenia.

The shutters clanked and cracked from a heavy gust outside. The clouds were beginning to break apart just in time for the sun to slowly drift away from the sky, leaving only darkness to hide the twisted actions taking place inside. With a face as grim as the reaper, Arnold methodically reached a climax, leaving his residue to dry away into a sticky mass on the dry and unused vaginal wall of his unwitting victim. Perhaps victim was too strong a word, for though she was the subject of his lustful abuse, her vegetative state left her only a half-person who would never know or feel pain like he did.

The squeaks and squeals of his water pipes struggling to serve their only purpose served as the perfect soundtrack to tonight, thought Arnold as he washed his hands, unable to clean away the near-endless scars of his sin. Laughing hysterically, he began to load two barrels into his 12 guage. The only thing that would shine in the dim light of a dying lamp, Arnold paid special attention to his 12 guage. Perhaps it was his most prized possession because, deep down, he realized it was his final means of escape from the hellish prison of existence.

A sharp pain entered his jaw bone as he bit down hard on the barrel of the weapon. A tear struggled to escape from his eye, and slowly dripped across his pale cheek, and landed alone on the cold broken linoleum floor. Terri, still quivering from the twisted ravages of Arnold's desire, remained blissfully unaware of the fate of her assailant, and could tell no one of the events that transpired. The pipes stopped their creaking, as if to prepare for it, and like lightning the silence was broken with a bang. For a brief moment Arnold could see the light, but soon everything faded to black and he could feel himself fade away.

The police would arrive the next morning, after receiving a call from a neighbor, and would discover Terri's sexually ravaged form sound asleep on the cold floor. They would also find the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger, or what was left of him, in his chair and the wall behind it. The chief could almost swear he saw a smile of relief in the dead lips of Arnold's body before they loaded him into the body bag.

absolutego (ex machina), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

"I laughed. I cried."

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

political fallout from Repubs mucking about in judicial issues, states' rights, etc

kingfish, Friday, 1 April 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)


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