Peter Kubelka talks too much (or, directors present at screening)...

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I walked out of a program of his metaphorical films because he spent over an hour talking about what film editing accomplishes and I'm all like "duh" and then he shows his first 15 minute film about Africa a second time and having to sit through his chatter and see it a second time in such close proximity to the first viewing and his labored explication absolutely drained the film of all its power.

I've decided that it's almost always a bad idea to have the director present at a screening of his/her own film.

(Luckily A. Weerasethakul only spoke for a couple minutes before Tropical Malady.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 25 March 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

(Maybe this should've been posted to ILF...)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

i forget which kubelka stuff i've seen, but i know i've seen something.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

(Maybe this should've been posted to ILF...)

YES! Traitor! :)

Here I am, calling the kettle...

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

HAHA... the only reason I posted it here was because I was petrified that you'd bite my head off about skipping out on the last two of the four scheduled films, one of which was the thing with chocolate advertisements that Film Comment was getting all hot over last month.

(... to say nothing of my Philistine reaction to the first two.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

Kubelka's Unsere Afrikareise is among my top 3 favorite films of all time. Although it was kind of annoying to see it in a class room setting with borng college students who were uncomfortable with its "ethnocentrism."
The only other Kubelka film I've seen is Arnulf Rainier.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Friday, 25 March 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Jeez, I just saw Kubelka present his films in Milwaukee recently, and I was appalled at all the walkouts he had! Has this been happening all over the country on his tour? After the bulk of the walkouts had occurred, he said something about maybe not coming back to lecture again-- I thought he meant the city, but maybe he meant the entire US! I guess I don't blame him if that's the case.

CF (servoret), Saturday, 26 March 2005 08:14 (twenty years ago)

To you both, I reiterate. I was impressed, if not enthralled, with the film the first go through. It was when he dissected the film that, in my opinion, it died on the operating table.

I can't honestly say I'm appalled at all with the walk-outs he experienced in Minneapolis now, especially after reading that he's noticed it happening before and continues to condescend at GREAT LENGTH to his future audiences.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 26 March 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)

the only reason I posted it here was because I was petrified that you'd bite my head off about skipping out on the last two of the four scheduled films

Come on, I'm not that bad... :)

I understand why you walked out & why you deemed it condescending. But at the same time, I see Kubelka's side too--his work is mainly a formalistic experiment, and the mathematics & theory of his editing really superceed the imagery of him films. That's one reason he's never been one of my favorites--his films are a little too cold & analytical for me; I like chaos & the human touch. When Brakhage said that Kubelka made "some of the most perfect films ever made", I don't think this was completely a compliment.

And secondly, the dude's getting old & quite possibly reaching senility. Old people babble and repeat themselves--it's what they do.

**jay finds a safe house as peter kubelka puts out a hit on him**

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Saturday, 26 March 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Sorry I'm getting back to this thread so late-- I had a little interruption in my internet service.

What really irked me about the walkouts was that, as they were done so gracelessly and so late in the program, it reminded me of a phenomenon I'm forced to endure too often here on campus. Students here tend to prepare to leave class quite audibly well before the actual end of lecture, which strikes me as incredibly impatient and disrespectful (I guess I don't buy into the "consumer" model of university education as much as they do). I thought I saw the same attitude reflected in the walkouts on Kubelka, which apparently has nothing to do with your response to his stage manner, etc. My apologies.

Re: Kubelka's dissecting of his films, he mentioned sometime after people started walking out that he had intended his lectures to be for aspiring filmmakers, not as entertainment for the less serious, so the dissection served his purposes, especially given that his films aren't available for repeated viewing on video or DVD (and apparently won't be until after he's dead, from what he said in lecture). I think this intent also accounts for at least some of the apparent condescension. As for the rest of it, frankly, I took all the talk about how non-experimental filmmakers were all idiots, etc. to be at least half in jest, and I found it amusing even when it didn't seem to be. I think you were taking his sense of self-importance a little too personally if you found it so offensive that it forced you to leave early. As jay says, he's an old Austrian dude, and his expectations re: his role and status as lecturer and "master filmmaker" are probably entirely different from those of a person raised in a more egalitarian culture, like, say for instance, James Benning, who came to lecture and present here on campus previously and was very down to earth and laid back about what he does. I don't think you should feel insulted or slighted because Kubelka wasn't willing to treat you and the other members of his audience as co-equals. I would expect that it's just not a possibility for him at this point, and that the walkouts aren't going to make him change his manner of presentation accordingly.

Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 08:09 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
Ken Jacobs, after the presentation of his strobified, frame-flipping Laurel & Hardy remix Ontic Antics at the Tribeca Film Festival, lamented the walkouts (about half the crowd): "Maaaaan. Depressing." He was then astounded that a third of the remainder identified themselves as never having seen one of his films before: "Congratulations!" And then dropped that his next work is a 2hr 20m version of a TWO-minute NYC fish market scene: "Who's gonna watch that??"

(ah, blanchard, whose very withdrawal destroyed ILF. i know not why)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...
Hunh, I didn't see this thread before. There weren't many walkouts when he did his lectures in Portland (and I went to all three, and he quickly became one of my absolute favorites). Watching Unsere Afrikareise the second time was nice, since there were a lot of small details to notice, although oh for subtitles. The other advantage of all his talking is that it put a lot of "white space" between the short but intense movies. Also he's got a really warm and sharp personality. He seemed very happy about how the Portland shows went...

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 28 October 2006 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
For what it's worth, I went to a director-present screening that turned out to be more entertaining than it would've been if I'd just watched the films.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 27 January 2007 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

But you didn't buy his camera!

http://fourteenseconds.com/?p=75

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)


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