I am glad that Jim Morrison is dead

I resent this remark. I'm my own saint.

'swhy it smelled so bad.

I bet if he were alive today, he'd be pretty insufferable.

Break on...well, you know.

With bonus Michael Hutchence!

I agree. That terrible, terrible cunt. I'm glad he's dead.
-- Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:22 AM

vintage hardman

Thanks.

please never ever revive any thread i ever started or posted on ever again

Sub-Shakey-an.

i feel bad enough as it is

While it is probably true that Jim Morrison would be insufferable today, it seems equally likely that he would be a marginalized, cast-off hack singing in casinos to aging boomers, or else he'd be rich and retired, and insufferable in public only when they dragged him out to stand onstage at benefit concerts. So who would care?

if he were alive today he'd probably be dead tomorrow

I have no proof for this at all other than a mere hunch, but had he survived, he strikes me as the kind of guy who would have gone all Republican in the 80's.

what, apart from the fact that he was an apocalypse-loving asshole who loved him drink and hookers?

http://www.fsu.edu/~crimdo/images/pirates/morrison.jpg

He was an insufferable prick AND I'm stuck sharing the bastard's name.

Haha, you remind me of my friend Gerad Garcia.

I grew up surrounded by stoners obsessed with the Morisson/American Poet mythos shit, so it was years before I could hear The Doors for what they really are: a psych band with a lounge singer frontman writing acid-damaged lyrics. When I was finally able to hear past the baggage I kinda started to like them!

chall-ops?

Can't speak for the poetry, but your boy was strictly a glove man for the most part. His Pirates career covered some pretty dark years, even though he stuck around long enough for the dawn of Bonds/Bonilla. RIP just the same.

a bunch of internet dweebs hating on Jim Morrison?

a psych band with a lounge singer frontman writing acid-damaged lyrics

wait did lester bangs plant this insight in my head in some piece i read

"Touch Me" has only barest smidgen of psych. Those horns!

chall-ops?

CHALLenging
OPinions

"Why don't you touch me, babe?
"Can't you see that I am not afraid.
"What was that promise that you made?"

Both the lyrics and melody resemble a mostly-bald tire.

i love jim morrison's voice. he was dreamy.

and i love the bad poetry and lounge singer comments coming from a message board filled with goths! (don't worry i love joy division too. and even the funny dude with the mirror shades from the sisters of mercy. but you can take nick cave after the mercy seat.)

CHALLenging
OPinions

-- Ned Raggett, Saturday, May 3, 2008 3:03 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Right, I was asking if I was stating a challenging opinion.

In late 1972, when I was 17 years old and a freshman in college, there was a Vietnam vet, maybe all of 21 years old, a few rooms down the hall in my dormitory who used to get sloppy drunk and listen to the Doors at top volume every weekend, starting in the afternoon.

One night he slammed his fist through a plate glass sliding door, cut up his hand and arm all to shit so that he bled all over and had to be taken to an ER to be stitched up. Not long afterward he dropped out of college.

He used to say that Jim Morrison was a genius. I got the impression that if you didn't agree, he'd have hammered you to a pulp, while weeping and shouting incoerently. I just avoided him as best I could.

I was just thinking today how there was a period of time -- say 1986 to 1991 when the movie came out -- that the Doors were thought of as being kinda cool. Echo + The Bunnymen and all that.

Next time I'm out, I'm going to try and convince the local record label guy to release a comp of bands doing Doors covers and see how fast he lets me down politely.

He used to say that Jim Morrison was a genius. I got the impression that if you didn't agree...

not that there aren't a few definitions of 'genius,' but morrison scored a 149 on his I.Q. test (over 140 is genius)

no Jim Morrison, no Iggy Pop, least not as we know him today.

no Jim Morrison, no movie with all them tittays

there is no funnier movie in the world

"no Jim Morrison, no Iggy Pop, least not as we know him today."

Which would be a good thing or a bad thing?

there is no funnier movie in the world

-- jhøshea, Saturday, 3 May 2008 06:06 (1 hour ago) Link

^

There's only four ways to get it unraveled —
One is to sleep and the other is travel...
One is a bandit up in the hills,
One is to love your neighbor till
His wife gets home.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ibEtiOTaDbA&feature=related

(over 140 is genius)

Well, in that case I am also a genius and they say it takes one to know one. Except I would never describe myself that way and I don't believe that definition has even the slightest validity.

Blaming Morrison for "Touch Me" is kinda silly, since he didn't write it. Robby Krieger, who was far more of a straightforward pop guy, was the composer/lyricist. (Krieger also wrote "Light My Fire", among other Doors songs.) Besides, the lyrics are no dumber than a hundred other great pop tunes, and at least in J.M.'s hands, there's some interesting unreliable-narrator stuff going on with them.

Morrison-hate is about as interesting as Bono-hate, Sting-hate, etc., i.e. "What a challenging opinion, you brave, brave person", i.e. who gives a fuck? Yeah, the guy was a drunk, drug addict, treated everyone around him like shit 90% of the time, had an exaggerated sense of his own importance/relevance, and wasn't really much of a poet (though he has his moments).

I still think that he had a great and unmistakable voice, though, and that his best work with the Doors remains electrifying and, if taken on its own terms, pretty much unsurpassable. Plus he was basically the only good thing about the Doors as a live band -- in the studio, they were great, but live, it was only Morrison that kept them from sounding like a quote-unquote "psychedelic" version of theatre organ accompaniments for 1920s horror movies.

Morrison that kept them from sounding like a quote-unquote "psychedelic" version of theatre organ accompaniments for 1920s horror movies.

this is precisely what i like about them though!

I mean I think they sound like a dated psych band w/a distinctive singer, and if you take them on those terms alone they're damn entertaining.

Guy, guys, I LOVE "Touch Me," mos defs my favorite tune of theirs. My guitar-dude first boyfriend couldn't get behind "Light My Fire" only bcz Morrison didn't write it. wtf?

Abbott, I was mainly referring to Aimless's comment, though technically he didn't blame Morrison per se.

Oh, wait, your wtf was directed at your first boyfriend. Both of Krieger's hits are great, whoever wrote them! OTOH lately my favorite Doors track has been "L. A. Woman", a song that's pretty much immune from the usual sins attributed to the Doors. So good.

i was talking to a girl at a bar once and thought she was pretty hot and cool and all and then i noticed a pretty big tattoo of jim morrision nailed to a cross on her back and it was all over.

yeah, that was pretty silly of her. I'm sure jim didn't spend a minute of his 27 years on earth as a martyr for anybody or anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjRa0B5OYVM

pretty spot on tbh.

"JIM MORRISON REIGNITES CULTURE WARS!...Ok, not really but a sour taste lingers...Alright, maybe not, but Ray Mazarek says this is important...."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/18/arts/music/18doors.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

What is that date again? When the Times is going to stop publishing?

who is this putz?

that is the most surreal article I've read in a long time.

...one wonders whether expunging these misconducts from Morrison’s record would not somehow diminish his standing as a rebellious rock star who operated outside societal norms. But his adherents say it is a trade-off they are willing to make.

Journalist's idea of a joke.

Claude R. Kirk Jr., who was Florida’s governor from 1967 to 1971, seemed annoyed to be asked about the Morrison case by telephone this week.

surprised dude is still alive

hahahaha yes that is maybe the funniest line in the whole thing

every line in the article is an indictment against everything I can think of.

I can verify (via my parents) that the Bourgeois Establishment listened to the Doors. "Break on Through" and "Riders on the Storm"....great stuff! "The End" ... high comedy! Do egotistical jagoffs read poetry?

Well, Jim for one.

I hear they are trying for a posthumous pardon for JM over his Paris obscenity charge from 1969. The claim is that the evidence failed to establish whether Morrison did indeed expose himself.

Hmmm....could that scratching sound you hear be a 'small dick' joke trying desperately to escape from this story?

Those charges have just been dogging that guy's reputation the last few decades. Must have been tough for him to get a decent job with that on the record.

He was pardoned, and it was Miami.

Not that it matters. He's been dead for 39 years.

Leave it to Ray Mazarek to add some pretentious and creepy opinions to whether or not Jim Morrison briefly showed his genitals to an audience.

"It never actually happened. It was mass hypnosis," said Ray Manzarek, The Doors' keyboard player...

"There were 100 photos offered in evidence at the trial, photos of everything—Jim with the lamb, Jim with the hat, on the stage collapsing, riot in the audience. Not one photo of Jim's magnificent member," said Manzarek.

"Jim's legacy is one of Dionysian madness and frenzy and of a chaotic American poet. I don't think that the Miami episode has altered his image one iota," Manzarek said.

Ray tried to get Ian Astbury to do a 40th anniversary faux-indecent exposure thing in-concert but he wouldn't do it.

They should pardon Jim in exchange for a gag order on Ray. Everything he says is cringeworthy.

I don't have any bad feelings towards Ray. Whenever he's interviewed about Morrison I never get the impression that Manzarek is bigging himself up. There are other 60's musicians who are far far worse.

A friend is visiting Paris and just posted a photo of his grave on Facebook and it got me wondering...what's the cutoff for people caring about that? Are the youngs still listening to The Doors as a rite of passage these days? In another 25 years, will ANYONE be visiting his grave? What I'm saying is Morrison seems to have a limited nostalgia shelflife in a way that Lennon and Hendrix and Elvis Presley don't.

Apparently not that limited

Unless someone is foolish enough to remake the Doors movie. xp

Well yeah, but for a lot of people my (and her) age, Oliver Stone's film came along at just the right time to mythologize him. Without it, I don't know that he's be revered in anyway among 30-somethings. And without another cultural break-in like that, I think younger folks may know The Doors' music but not really subscribe to Morrison worship the way some people my age do.

*he'd

It is 40 years since he died, so he's had a pretty good innings. This might sound crazy, but do people really go on about Lennon that much?

In terms of acreage of t-shirts and posters sold I'd say Lennon is hardly Bob Marley!

Good point. Bob Marley is an industry.

Him and the Pope have got the weed sector sewn up.

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i sincerely hope that folks who visit Morrison's grave in Paris have developed some respect for others' graves in Pere Lachaise. b/c when i visited (yeah yeah laugh if you want), it was quite disturbing to note how some of his fans had defaced other people's graves.

Unless someone is foolish enough to remake the Doors movie.

or a Broadway musical...