The Pope is Dead. For Real this time.

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What will the thread title be when it really happens? Everytime I see The pope is dead I think he's really dead. And I keep checking it for updates, as if I all of a suddenn care when the pope kicks it.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

god iz gonna keep him alive forever just to prove that he is still keen on the whole suffering thing.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

You got me, April Fool. I think CNN should have come up with a Countdown to Death graphic for both Schiavo and the pope.

― Maria D. (Maria D.), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

Well it won't be 'The Pope is Dead. For Real this time', thats for sure.

Ever heard of the boy who cried "dead Pope"?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

Why hasn't anyone started a thread called
POOP: pick only one pope ?

― Maria D. (Maria D.), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

Are any points awarded for The Pope in a dead pool? Or is he a gimme?

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

Didn't they already read him his last rites?

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

Maria, because we'd need to elect a Curia and then abide by all the arcane Vatican laws. Also, we'd have to form cliques of self-interested, antipathetic, backstabbing... oh.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

Maria, I wish you would change your signin to " Maria :D  " because that's what it always lookls like to me.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/ayj/Horn.gif

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/ayj/Horn.gif

Wha happened?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Maria, I wish you would change your signin to " Maria :D " because that's what it always lookls like to me.

-- dave225 (right.knewi...), April 1st, 2005.

Your wish is my command. Let's see if it worked.

― Maria Danielson (Maria :D), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

oops, now I've revealed my real identity, but my log-in name is Maria :D

― Maria Danielson (Maria :D), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

There.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Maria, you're full of grace :)

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Girl, we couldn't get much better.

― 57 7th (calstars), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Thanks! That'll cheer me up every time I see it. :D

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

xpost
Maybe they read him his penultimate rites. Isn't it kind of embarrassing to get your last rites and then to have to wait and wait? It's like saying goodbye out of a train window to someone on the platform and then the train takes forever to pull away.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Get one silver bullet.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

it is, maria! it's like that episode of will & grace where jennifer lopez can never get away from jack. she sez goodbye and then the elevator never comes! in this case, the pope is jennifer lopez.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Ah, that pope sure has a big ass.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

I was going to actually going to add "or like that episode of will & grace" ....

Wouldn't it be cool if Jenny could be the pope? Or how about Madonna?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

This will be the year of death. All news and media will be dominated by one death celebre after another the entire year.

― Dan I., Friday, 1 April 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

drudge headline: "POPE DIES"

― a banana (alanbanana), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

"Francisco Franco is still dead."

-- Chevy Chase, Weekend Update, Saturday Night Live, c. 1979 thru 1981. Winner: Oldest Running Gag on a Celebrity Death

― Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

I hope the siren GIF is next to that headline.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

An end to Schrodinger's Pope??? :-(

― Zebra, Alpha Go! (cprek), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

anyway, didn't some tabloid daily paper in philly already do this a couple YEARS ago, when some oldtimer named pope who used to play for the phillies kicked off, so they ran a banner headline saying "pope dies"? i saw it in one of the street boxes, and it totally fooled me!

― xhuxk, Friday, 1 April 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Maybe they read him his penultimate rites. Isn't it kind of embarrassing to get your last rites and then to have to wait and wait? It's like saying goodbye out of a train window to someone on the platform and then the train takes forever to pull away.

This happens lots more often than you think. I know of a relative, an uncle of mine, who was so ill in the '80s that he was given his "last rites" (now known as the Anointing of the Sick), but who improved and went on to live another six years. He was administered "last rites" once more, obv.

I'm really shocked at the general heartlessness this board community has shown toward Pope John Paul II's impending passing. To some people, this might be cause for joking, but to me -- he's like my earthly spiritual father. I will be incredibly devastated and will go through a period of mourning when JP II passes. All these news reports alone have made me really sad. It's a sad day overall. And yeah, he shouldn't hang on and suffer anymore, but until God is ready to accept him into Heaven, I feel that he's still going to be hanging on. And I'm waiting for word from the Vatican. Not saying that everyone here has been heartless; some of you have been incredibly understanding and for that I thank you (Remy is one of the people I can immediately think of, but there are others).

Anyway. Off to school.

― I am that unhip, naive nobody you always avoid. (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm not Catholic, I'm not even Christian, but I am tremendous respect for Karol Wojtyla as a person, and for his efforts for Catholicism in the 20th century, and I agree with Dee that's it's getting heartless (in general, not just ILX) and that I am sorry he is suffering.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

Like many bureaucrats who run mega-institutions that progress like glacially, Wojtyla had his good points (anti-death penalty, anti-Gulf War(s)). However, as a queer cafeteria Catholic, I believe his Creator will judge him partly on his lack of respect for women (still second-class people to the Church) and gays (we never get tired of being declared "intrinsically disordered"). And for his role in enabling a lot of child molesters.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 April 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah: I remember when the two popes died within 30 days in '79. After the second death, Bill Murray said on Weekend Update "We had this story last month!"

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 April 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

or what about his pro-martyrdom stance when it comes to abortion. he was a scary dude (don't get me started on birth control and africa):

"In her National Catholic Reporter article, "Defending life even unto death,' Professor Janine Langan, of the University of Toronto, assesses Evangelium Vitae: "John Paul leaves no room for ghetto Catholicism. Excusing our silence about matters of truth because 'we should not push on other people our Christian God,' as one of my students put it last year, is not acceptable." Professor Langan does not acknowledge that this encyclical is extremist in nature but she describes it forthrightly, referring to section #73: "In a situation as grave as the present one, Christians are bound to come into conflict.... Evangelium Vitae is thus a challenge to defend life even at the cost of martyrdom. But it's also a promise that, with God, everything is possible. Finally, this encyclical does not merely state that being "pro-choice" is not an option, but that every one of us is also morally bound to oppose, at any cost, any public attack on any human person's right to life [#104]." Langan quotes the pope, "life finds its center, its meaning and its fulfillment when it is given up [#51]." In her view, and the pope's, martyrdom is admirable: "Martyrdom is the one witness to the truth about man which every one can hear. No society, however dark, can stifle it."

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

mocking the pope's death is not really defensible, nor nice, but somehow it turns my stomach less than just hearing Scott McClellan, White House spokesman, on the radio just now reading a statement about how President Bush is "praying" for him. Give it a break, you asshole, you spoke at Bob Jones University.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2002/08/22/popearmy.jpg

(JP2, in the middle.)

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

stence OTM re bob jones univ.

if it wasn't for pope john paul II, the soviet union might have crept along for a bit longer than it actually did. aside from gorbachev, no single person did as much to bring the USSR to an end than the pope. and aside from walesa, no single person did as much to free his homeland from the soviets as the pope.

so his faults and all, and my genuine antipathy towards religion aside, i will mourn him when he dies.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

John Paul II got a UTI, 84 years old
He looked like 105 when he died
He was a friend of mine

Those are Popes who died, died

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

― bro jackson (he knows) (deangulberry), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

I do think it's ironic what hstencil mentioned about Bush esp. considering the amount of Bush voters who were loudly criticizing Kerry because he is a "Papist".

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

the christian right will co-opt any other religion or religious leader if it's politically expedient. See also: Israel.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Send a Jew Home. Those ads are so horribly offensive in so many ways.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

sick sad mutha fuckers

― Kiwi, Friday, 1 April 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

"He has been a man who has been educated at the school of sacrifice and suffering, but his suffering in recent times has been purely inspirational.

"The way he has faced all this illness with serenity, with courage, with a deep faith and I think that is probably his last and one of his finest lessons."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/4402907.stm

I really do not understand what is inspirational about suffering. I really don't. Could someone who is (or was) Catholic please explain?

― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

Eisbar, OTM

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

someone in my office just heard on the radio ... that this time it's for real.

if so, RIP.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

Still "POPE NEAR DEATH" on CNN

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:25 (twenty years ago)

"pope to die this evening or tonight" apparently.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

its not the suffering as much (because everything is suffering, because life is suffering) but the ease and grace in which he lives through suffering.

― anthony, Friday, 1 April 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

JP2 also stifled dissent within the church hierarchy to an alarming degree. His unilateral, my-way-or-the-highway policies silenced or drove out priests and bishops with opposing viewpoints, and his anticommunism led to the marginalization of liberal clergy and laity. Whatever else its accomplishments, his papacy set progressive Catholicism back by 50 years.

― Stephen X (Stephen X), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

i find the pope somewhat comforting though I don't care for his politics. I mean how many popes are you really going to agree with 100% ?

but i was raised catholic so it would be weird if I felt nothing at all. He seems to have lived a long and interesting life.

Also, there seems to be a lot of progressive Catholicism around, but I live in California.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 81 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Yes, apparently 'reading up on the Reagan administration' means citing a list of names. Typical of the ilx notion of 'literacy'.

― Shatterproof Glass (dymaxia), Sunday, 3 April 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

eat a dick, dude. you said there was "no room" for catholics in his administration. that list proves you way wrong, esp. since you can't really get more important a position in a cabinet then fucking secretary of state. are you nuts?

and i clearly stated i didn't agree with the link. i don't. but it took all of two seconds to find it and to prove you wrong, moron.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

The article points out that Irish Catholics only make up 4% of the population and it therefore can't be just coincidence that so many were appointed to those positions.
Catholics make up 25% of the US population. Why aren't there Catholic presidents?

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Sunday, 3 April 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

i have no idea. i don't understand why i would have to state here, for a third time, that i don't agree with the analysis of the article.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Why aren't there Catholic presidents?

Because the United States is the creation of Freemasons and they don't like Popes (or monarchs).

― Shelby Downard, Sunday, 3 April 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

hardly any are for-profit, run like/as businesses.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...) (webmail), April 3rd, 2005 8:45 AM. (hstencil) (later) (link)

Uh, you'd be surprised how things work outside of liberal arts pony land.

― absolutego (ex machina), Sunday, 3 April 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

university of rochester is probably not run on a model unlike harvard's, ie. excess "profit" is used either for scholarships or goes into endowment, ie. not-for-profit, ie. no dividends distributed to shareholders.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

i have no idea. i don't understand why i would have to state here, for a third time, that i don't agree with the analysis of the article.
You don't. My message following yours wasn't directed at you, I (apparently incorrectly) figured typing "xpost" was unnecessary.

(xpost)

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

no worries.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Pretty much all North American universities I'm aware of are run like a business now days. Some just have different aims.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

no they aren't, unless you mean specifically non-profits, which is what most people don't mean when they say "run like a business." you can't buy stock in yale, inc.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

better christian relations with the jewish faith.

And tried to mend some more fences with the Eastern rite.

While I'm at it Neil Young also turned on Rayguns shortly after the re-election. I'm still not sure he was on the cart for the start of that decade. But either way I'm not a big fan of his political candidates.

Why aren't there Catholic presidents?

Wasn't JFK a catholic?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

JFK was Catholic, yes. Other Catholics who ran (but didn't win): Al Smith, Al Haig, John Kerry. Prolly more too.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Yes. AFAIK The only Catholic President so far.
xpost

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

da one and only!

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

you can't buy stock in yale, inc.

True, but the universities and the board of governors/regents are increasingly making decisions that would once upon a time (10~15 years ago) fall to the academic decision making body.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

And any one up on Governator's church?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

True, but the universities and the board of governors/regents are increasingly making decisions that would once upon a time (10~15 years ago) fall to the academic decision making body.

that does not make them "businesses."

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Make them 'run like a business' though.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

is it true that U.S. Catholic bishops were the guiding force behind the creation of the moral majority and the christian coalition in the 70's? I've read that before. eveyone just blames the born-agains for that crap.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

The University of Rochester's Board of Trustees today (December 1, 2004) named Joel Seligman as the University's 10th president. Seligman, Ethan A. H. Shepley University Professor and dean of the School of Law at Washington University in St. Louis, will take office July 1, 2005.

One of the nation's leading experts on securities law, he is the co-author, with the late Louis Loss, of the 11-volume Securities Regulation, the leading treatise in the field, and author of The Transformation of Wall Street: A History of the Securities and Exchange Commission and Modern Corporation Finance. "In multiple dimensions, Joel Seligman shows himself to be a person of remarkable vision, someone who can lead a national research university like ours toward its greatest potential," said G. Robert Witmer, Jr., chairman of the Board of Trustees. "As law school dean at Washington University and previously at the University of Arizona, his energy and accomplishments have been nothing short of astonishing."

― absolutego (ex machina), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

xpost - i agree that unis are getting way more media and marketing-savvy, and are more concerned with providing "services" (and sometimes "education as a service") more than ever, but that still doesn't make them businesses.

but anyway, who cares, let's get back to da pope.

xxpost - why wouldn't a university want an accomplished lawyer on its board?

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

also, securities lawyer = business regulator, not businessman.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

My university's radio tower was blessed by the pope.
It is also near death.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

The University of Rochester makes most of its money off of drug patents. HUGE TRACTS OF PATENTS.

― absolutego (ex machina), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

so?

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

http://www.killingthebuddha.com/images/dd10.jpg

http://www.killingthebuddha.com/confession/papalpictureshow.htm

― absolutego (ex machina), Sunday, 3 April 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Like it fucking matters whether there's ever been a Catholic president....

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

... whether or not there might be an American Pope is far more significant.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

Headline on CNN.com

Faithful pay respects to pope

missing subtitle:

Unfaithful pay alimony

― Ovserber, Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

Stenc, you're not saying the USSR would still be going without JP II, are you?

Has the theory that JP I was poisoned for his progressive agenda been convincingly debunked?

I'm not much for Polish jokes, but I confess the first word I thought of upon seeing pic of the Pope-in-coffin was "kielbasa."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 3 April 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Stenc, you're not saying the USSR would still be going without JP II, are you?

nope, no more than the conservative mantra that reagan ended communism. obv. they played roles, but, duh, the people in communist states ended communism.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

i was in the polish neighborhood (well, one of them) yesterday, w/o knowing that the pope had died...strangely i didn't see any visible signs of public grief or anything. the polish restaurant was packed (with poles mostly) and everyone seemed pretty upbeat.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 3 April 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

I've been at a wedding all weekend. Way to pick a time to choose Rome of all places for your honeymoon.

Still, I'm sure the world's media will be very understanding...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 April 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/ww/beta/news/0403nm3.jpg

WORST AVATAR EVER.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 4 April 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

This tickled me.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/martin_rowson/2005/04/04/rowson512.jpg

― Ed (dali), Monday, 4 April 2005 07:23 (twenty years ago)

i'm a bit perturbed by the open display of the pontiff in state.

― Sven Basted (blueski), Monday, 4 April 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)

if it's good enough for lenin....

― Ed (dali), Monday, 4 April 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)

praying this goes for poland itself, where i am going on thursday. my g/f's grandfather was polish and all that. kracow was the pope's manor, and i guess it might be interesting, but i'm hoping that coca-colonisation might have at least partially allayed any maudlin, sentimental bullshit for this frightful monster. we're staying in the jewish quarter, which will hopefully be less affected, but still.

― N_RQ, Monday, 4 April 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

Hah - the Jewish quarter of Krakow is right in the middle of town and has long been deserted by the Jewish population... It shd be armaggedon down there.

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 4 April 2005 11:18 (twenty years ago)

Poland's apparently in an official state of mourning until the funeral, which I think is on Friday, so you should be fine after a day or two. From what I hear from family, the extent of it even now is closed stores and nothing but the Pope on TV.

― the krza (krza), Monday, 4 April 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

I'm supposed to go to Rome this w-e but have not made any flight/hotel reservations... I think I'm screwed.

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 4 April 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

xxpost -- yeah, there are actually only about 12000 jewish people in poland, so i was kind of wishful thinking.

― N_Rq, Monday, 4 April 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

The Times Square news zipper actually said "Pope on display"! King Tut to follow...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 April 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/killerwaves/cb0fd424.jpg

― Alex in TCBY (ex machina), Thursday, 7 April 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

who here watched the funeral this morning? i have a question. there was a song that was sung repeatedly throughout the service and I was so moved by its beauty. i think i heard the commentators(on cnn) calling it "song 64". does anyone know which song im talking about and where can i get hold of it? i have to hear it again.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Friday, 8 April 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

that was "song 2" by Blur

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

i think i heard the commentators(on cnn) calling it "song 64".

Try Psalm 64.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 11 April 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

I remember this thread.

― Maria :D, Friday, 25 July 2008 01:22 (sixteen years ago)

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