What is the greatest city in the world that also has really good weather?

I missed it too at first.

-- mark grout (mark.grout@g

Haha mr mischievous mark!

Seattle has both -- which conflicts with your request, in my POV. Please elaborate on "really good weather" please.

Yeah, LA seems like the only certifiable "no winter" city that is also world class in size / population / culture / goodfood / cosmopolitan. You had better prepare to work out a lot, moisturize a lot, and groom a lot though . . . or you will feel rather left out.

Here are the SoCal seasons:

* Temperate and sunny (winter)
* Occasional shitty-ass hard rain storms (late winter usually, this year being exceptionally longer than normal)
* The beautiful cloudy days right after the shitty rainy days
* Hazy sunny, kinda hot weather that can get humid at times, and really windy and dry at times

The last one goes for about 10 months, the rest usually happens eight weeks a year. Forget "winter", "spring", "summer", and "fall". Won't happen here.

If that sounds good to you. Bust out your shades, beach blanket, and go forth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/city_guides/city.shtml?tt=TT001520

True, but it's much drier year round in LA than in many cities (which can be it's own problem - dry skin etc).

SF's only curse is that it has the bleakest summer of almost any city, due to the fog. A san francisco summer can seem like the cruelest winter ever... (someone famous said this.)

"temperate" to everyone else is anything that's not below 20F, or not above 90F with 100% humidity.

"Can you BELIEVE we had 10 days in a row where the high was above 70F... OMG, I'm DYING!" -- actual clothing store employee in Seattle last winter.

No one in Seattle has air conditioning.. Neither do any retail stores. It DOES get above 85F and semi-humid at least two to three days a year, and usually during the long-day summers.. so for people who live in badly insulated places or go somewhere that's not insulated or air-conditioned (which is most places that are not shopping malls), there is rarely any relief, hence a half-ass defence for the folks in Seattle complaining about the hot days. Otherwise... baaaah.

My apartment has strange insulation so it has two climates: too cold, and too hot.

Rhode Island is so nice in summer and the winters aren't so bad as long as you don't go inland!

SF is tempting.

SF weather is just a bit too capricious for most people. Tourists come here expecting "California" and don't quite get it.

I was in SF in February and it was 65 and sunny every fucking day (except for the day I had to leave and drag my suitcase 15 blocks through the pouring rain). I know it's not like that ALL the time, but just the fact that it's possible to be that nice in the middle of winter makes me rate it as having "really good" weather.

PHX 85 211 70 - HOT AS BALLS
HON 71 90 94 - SWEATY BALLS
DFW 61 135 133 - SWEATY VIOLENT BALLS

Montreal is probably my favourite city I've been in but I find it hilarious that it was mentioned in this thread. (This actually looks a bit generous but: http://www.montreal.world-guides.com/montreal_weather.html)

I was only there briefly but how well would e.g. Eugene OR fit?

omg montreal is the coldest place in the world

And it's hot and muggy as hell during the summer!

the solution here is to build a great city in northern Arizona.

I don't think you can have a great city that is landlocked. I'm sure I can be proven wrong though.

Uh Berlin?

people, the answer is obviously LA or SF. if you want better-defined 'seasons', you also want, you know, 'bad weather'.

(at least as far as the US goes)

lots of great cities are landlocked

Do rivers count towards non-land-locking?

depends

rivers have to count for non-land-locking, or my theory is crap.

american landlocked cities without rivers are ass: phoenix, dallas

Isn't Las Vegas land-locked? Not sure if that's an argument for or against this theory.

Beijing is landlocked with no river. I am now distancing myself from this whole thing.

I can't imagine living somewhere without some sort of water nearby.

I mean, all I've got is the Arkansas River, but at least if my car ever breaks down in Tulsa, I'll still have a way to get home.

Denver? Birmingham? Charlotte? Whew not exactly disproving this are we?

i took landlocked to mean no ocean, but not having a reasonably big river or lake is rough

A city without a waterway is generally going to have come into existence (or grown to a large size) this century. Most of the time that means it sucks.

er, last century. Since the automobile age. Right?

and RR age.

someone highly recommended that i move to montreal, but i lack the requisite magical career transferable stuff or underground connections to do so. i did hang out with some quebecois folks a couple of years back who seemed very rad.

but, yeah, "landlocked" is no death sentence. see: the mountain states! so beautiful!!!

but, yeah, "landlocked" is no death sentence. see: the mountain states! so beautiful!!!

LA - NOT landlocked AND mountains

What?!?!?!

i'm a midwesterner through and through, but i got to be honest, winter is getting pretty damn old.

Honolulu. 3 miles from mountain to beach - with a city in between.

i meant the mountain states, as in the time zone going by that name...montana, colorado, and so forth.

l.a. and i s'pose some other west coast spots, are particular exceptions.

can a great city be oceanlocked?

^^^haha. Probably not.

What about Valparaiso or Santiago?

Valparasio is pretty fantastic.

if you want better-defined 'seasons', you also want, you know, 'bad weather'.

not really, which is why i'm trying to pimp northern AZ.

RONG

oh everyone's wrong about every place on earth, i know already

SF's weather is not great wtf people it's notoriously ungreat!

Super Cub OTM w/r/t Honolulu imo

Flagstaff is colder than NYC in winter, and has about 1/2 the sunshine days (20x as much rain) of the Cali cities in July and August.

not northern northern az. prescott area.

Rio de Janeiro?

Prescott, which is a mountain town ill-suited to building a major city, is 90 miles from Flagstaff (which isn't 'northern northern' az either), subject to the same summer precipitation phenomenon, and averages nearly 20 degrees colder than LA in winter.

dude the most it averages per month is 3.28 inches in August. rest of the year is sunny as fuck, and even on the rainy days the rain usually only lasts a few hours tops and the sun returns. 50degree highs in winter qualify as really good weather in my book my good you're annoying is it on purpose it must be

take her, dude

we get it, you once got out of Chicago and went to the amazing Southwest

50degree highs in winter qualify as really good weather in my book

then you'll love LA where the average high in January is 68 degrees

and where it doesn't thunderstorm every other day in summer

average August precipitation 0.13 in

i can't be bothered to read this thread, but barca seems like a decent bet

the point is that that area has distinct seasons without any of them being unbearable but you're so often in i've got FACTS to prove you WRONG mode that you're unable to think clearly.

yeah, and the point of htis thread is which is the greatest city with really good weather, not which is the magical fantasy city that doesn't and probably couldn't exist that has bearable weather in four distinct seasons. there are real cities that fit that bill, btw.

ok thread nazi. i'm so sorry please to not beat me.