Oh the other hand I don't want to put myself or others in danger, and should probably just follow the 'official' advice...? At this point I can hardly get my head round all the arguments and counter-arguments about MMR's safety any more. Everyone has an agenda.
― Archel (Archel), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Archel (Archel), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― Archel (Archel), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― beanz (beanz), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)
Clearly ILE cannot answer this for me though...
― Archel (Archel), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)
I am a (nearly?) middle-aged student but still subject to the requirement to show proof of immunization. If I didn't get MMR series, they'd hold my transcript and deny me registration for next semester. I called my moms and asked her if she had my proof of innoculation and she was--"What are you nuts!? I don't have your shot records. How's my grandson?"
All of us old folks grumbled, but my friend Marlys--she got the reaction about a week after the shot (I'm not sure if it was the first or second). She said she felt perfectly fine, but of course she was covered, REALLY covered, in little red spots. It took a couple of weeks to clear up.
Good luck--
― Hunter (Hunter), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)
A few years after I had the MMR I got measles and mumps, though happily not at the same time. So I guess I shouldn't really talk from personal experience cos I clearly got a jab from a dud batch. Measles was rough but mumps I remember as being not so bad.
― beanz (beanz), Monday, 4 April 2005 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ed (dali), Monday, 4 April 2005 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 4 April 2005 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 4 April 2005 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 4 April 2005 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)
I would not have the MMR jab for myself, even if I worked in an environment where there were lots of younger people who might possibly be coughing the mumps, measles or rubella virus all over me. The only one which should concern you is the rubella one, as catching that when (at some point in the future) you might be pregnant can be harmful to your unborn baby. However, it is possible for the doctors to check yout rubella-immune status with a simple blood test - so I'd recommend you see whether you actually need the immunisation for that first. You can be immunised against rubella separately, and not have the combined MMR jab, if you make enough fuss about asking for it.
Mumps would be unpleasant to catch, but it's not that awful, is it? Mumps is a problem for boys, as it can impair fertility. Have all the men in your life had mumps as little kids and got it over-and-done-with? I don't think it's something you can catch twice in a lifetime.
― C J (C J), Monday, 4 April 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 4 April 2005 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)
I didnt know peopel did shots - what happened to chickenpox parties as a kid? Didnt everyone go thru these nasties on purpose to get resistance? I know I did.
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)
i thot this thread originally read "Should I Get An MRR Job?" and I was gonna write "YEAH MAXIMUM ROCK N' ROLL PUNK ROCK FANZINE DUDER!"
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 04:26 (twenty-one years ago)
it is no longer found in the US, but shots are still recommended here
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 04:26 (twenty-one years ago)
a mate of mine got mumps recently and it was horrible, so I recommend getting the jab done.
― lundy fastnet irish sea (cis), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 06:57 (twenty-one years ago)
(Trayce: I remember my parents having 'measles parties' and stuff but they were middle-class hippies after all... It doesn't seem very common now though, and I think I would have my kids get the MMR, on balance.)
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 07:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 08:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 08:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 08:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 08:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 08:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)
Archel, you're not messing with the defences, you're adding to them. As a grown up, the chances of any negative side-effects to you are negligible. However, if you've had all these diseases already, I can't see why you'd need the jab. (xpost)
(I have never had measles, though I managed the others, including german measles aged 15, which was the gayest disease ever - I didn't even feel ill. Should I do something about this?)
― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:11 (twenty-one years ago)
And yeah I know that, logically, about vaccines. But I still don't really *understand*.
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)
Also, I think there's a place called Mumps isn't there?
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)
(we first caught the common cold from horses!)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)
I have never had chickenpox. I moved around so often when I was a kid that I never knew anyone who had it. The UK apparently doesn't vaccinate for it...
I have had the MMR, no lasting effects on me yet proved besides what it was intended for.
― sgs (sgs), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)
Where did this MMR controversy come from, anyway? Since there seems to have never been much evidence that it's Evil. Are lots of people just gullible hippies like me?
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)
Private Eye still supports the MMR-causes-autism theory - every time yet another survey disputes it, they run a "yes but really this wasn't the right sort of survey and they've interpreted it wrong so really it backs up what we're saying" piece.
The other railway station in Oldham - the one that isn't called Oldham Mumps - is Oldham Werneth.
― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)
no one claims that all autism - or even the autism spike - is caused by MMR
(the spike remains unexplained)
wakefield is fairly clearly a dick, though the campaign of vilification at the outset wz a REALLY bad strategy - many ppl distrust feisty independent doctors less than they distrust doctician-spokesmen for the govt, strangely enough
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)
(this was in An Anthropologist On Mars by Oliver Sacks)
― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)
the "anti-MMR" argt currently seems to be that a small minority within those disposed to autism have this disposition "switched on" after a particular type of bowel inflammation, which MAY be connected to measles in the context of MMR
the prob being i think (this is all from memory) that the numbers being talked about are so small that all studies so far render interpretation statistically questionable
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)
(I don't think Bidder was, but I could be wrong)
― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)
The whole Doc Wakefield controversy is a direct upshot of what happens when a researcher gets bored by the academic process (easily done) and chats to his mate in the media down the pub after a few beers. Though he is a knob, the academic community often forget what their spats look like outside the rarified atmosphere of acadaemia (ie they look like out and out WAR).
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)
Is MMR given in the US any more? Lots of (perhaps spurious) court cases in the '70s and '80s = increased cost.
― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)
i obv have doublestandards regarding this sort of thing because i wuv private eye so haven't stopped reading, yet if i see anyone reading the sunday times, all i can think off is all that shit they published about HIV not being the cause of AIDS.
― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)