Why are vegans such tedious control freaks?

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Really. I've yet to meet a vegan who has anything like a healthy relationship with food. Everything is fraught with them, they talk about what they're eating and when constantly, they're pale and runny-nosey, and I swear up to half of them are using veganism as a vehicle for their various eating disorders.

― shookout (shookout), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

is this the thread where we post lurid pictures of delicious meat?

― happy fun ball (kenan), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

maybe your vegan friends are just dicks?

― David Svensson (deangulberry), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

i'm mostly vegan, not pale, couldn't care less wtf you eat dude.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh, yes. All my vegan friends say mean, derisive things about overweight people all the time (with one exception who is a normal, nice person.)

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

That said, I was vegan for 5 years and I was a true bastard during those years. You'd be a jerkoff too if you couldn't have a Krystal every once in a while.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

also ddb is a vegan, and he's a dick, but he's still cooler than you, dude.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Shookout is just latently soysexual.

Aside from the occasional "Dairy Is Rape" idiot graffiti I see once every two years, I have no idea what you guys are experiencing or talking about. I'm borderline vegan myself, and I could care less what anyone else eats.

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

I was vegan for 6 years, andI just started eating meat this month. I don't think I can goback. I feel SO HEALTHY and awake all the time, I stopped passing out when my period starts, or just about any other time.
But I'm still a tedious control freak

― Holly (an appletross), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

ddb is cooler than me? shyeah.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

I think there's a certain amount of paranoia that goes along with being vegan; this can perhaps translate into excessively controlling behavior, or maybe it's just perceived that way ("OMG WTF ARE YOU ***SURE*** THERE'S NO BUTTER IN THIS?!??!?!?!")

xpost

DDB is cooler than almost anyone.

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

I've been vegetarian/vegan for 12 years now... have no desire to eat meat again. The thing is.. i didn't INTEND to become a vegetarian, nor was I forced to.

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Vegans aren't necessarily skinny, so I don't know why they would be mean to fatties in general.

I'm not vegan, but I'm vegetarian. I never even thought about having to check for butter... Yeah, that would make me nutso.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Am I the only one who's felt more relieved for checking ingredients, as opposed to feeling more paranoid? I mean, it's not just for determining if an item is vegan or not. It's a generally useful thing that I think most should do when buying groceries. (That said, you can't easily ask for the ingredients when you eat out.)

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

actually i dunno if ddb is cooler than roxy, but he is my bro, so.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

yeah, "easily" while all your friends and the waiter groan and the waiter goes to check but nothing is vegan on the menu so everyone has to leave and go somewhere else...

― Holly (an appletross), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

Did you miss the "can't" in that sentence?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Vegans are probably tedious control freaks cuz we omnivores with our arbitrary vigilante foodocracy keep trying to sneak the proverbial meat juice into their stew.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Donut: Ingredient checking doesn't play a large role in all peoples lives. For example, if my average trip to the grocery store yields cheese, fruit, meat, bread and pretzels, what have I to worry about? Maybe I'll buy some cookies with some preservative, but exercising common sense and avoiding bizarre frozen foods and pre-packaged meal components goes a long way towards healthy eating.

xposts.

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

stupid vegan tricks

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Vegans are like the Born Again evangelicals of the diet world.

― shookout (shookout), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

A vegan friend of mine is very mean to overweight ppl too.

― mei (mei), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

My big problem is people asking me if I'm vegetarian and then quizzing me on if it's healthy. I simply say "seems to be" and "works for me" until they shut up. Yet, I don't classify all non-vegan eaters as annoying assholes who are tedious jerks.

FYI, when I was NON-vegan was when I looked pale, runny-nosed and sickly.

― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

recently a girl told me she was losing motivation about being vegan. I thought using the word "motivation" was a sign her eating habits = an over-important part of her id, didn't thought about the "paranoia" idea thanks Ian, so I just said yeh I'm a vegetarian/honorary vegan I guess; when everything is easy I don't eat animals but when it would be too much trouble otherwise I go along whatever. I just don't think about it too much. She decided to understand this as being mildly condescending so in retort she turned a phrase accordingly. Everything seems fraught allright,maybe, but I don't think it's related with your other observations, shookout, in this case I think it's because resentment is big in her view of the world, thanks to crummy "anarchists", into "crimez!"

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, I've known a lot of vegans and I think most of them were pretty alright, no more or less dickish than anyone else. Maybe a bit smug, but whatever. I'm overweight, and I don't remember ever being bullied by any vegans or vegetarians, though I always feel a little uncomfortable around them, like I'm being judged. But honestly, I feel that way around almost everyone. I don't want to date a vegetarian or vegan again, but you know, it's not a deal breaker or anything. Frankly I don't mind having a good dietary influence around me.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

No doubt. I'm not advocating that everyone should be just like me. But I do think people would find reading the ingredients in most things they buy at the store a useful thing.. that's all.

Vegans are like the Born Again evangelicals of the diet world.

People who've been threatened by vegans are illerate, don't seem to get out much, and like to generalize.

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

(like I just did... oooooooh)

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

FWIW the only problems I have with vegans are that I typically don't cook vegan food, but I like to have my friends over for dinner once in a while (which reminds me, maybe it's time for NOISE DINNER soon) and so I specifically have to cook vegan stuff for people DDB and my friend Joe. And HPENCIL now too, I guess.

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

I understand why someone might feel a little bit uncomfortable being around a vegetarian, but I hate it when I'm going out to eat people and they freak out with, "Oh no! I forgot you're vegetarian? What are we going to do??!" as if it excludes all regular restaurants entirely and means they'll have to eat at a hippie cafe.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

maybe i don't care what other people eat because i'm mostly vegan and overweight? naw, i didn't care when i ate meat back then, either.

xpost - fyi i still eat eggs, sushi, and once in awhile (not often) cook with butter. i ate cheese pizza the other day and felt sick.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

xpost - You could just have people bring some veggie stuff buffet style or have lots of veggie side dishes to choose from...

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

I kinda like cooking vegan stylee, it's just challenging. Last time was vegan chili and carey brought NOT DOGS and crazy VEGAN WHOLE GRAIN BREAD.

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

I am not vegan but most of my friends are. They don't bother me at all. Moreover, I am:

1) Occasionally mean to chubby people.
2) Occasionally mean to skinny people.
3) A label reader.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

The Memphis punk scene used to be controlled by asshole vegan Pro-Lifers. They would knock a chocolate milk out of your hand, and they all wore hoodies.

― andy --, Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

to Ian: Most of my vegan friends don't expect vegan food to be served to them left and right at every social gathering.. Usually they just quietly plan to have a small meal before such a gathering, as to not impose on people who aren't vegan cookers by nature.

Then again, maybe you OWE ONE B1GTIME TEH DDB, TEH FRIENDJOE, AND TEH HSPENCIL!

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Why do people who hate vegans always start threads that have been done like 50 times before and never use the fucking search functions?

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

P.S. EVERYONE is mean to overweight people. Except Jesus.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Too many toxins leached in the cerebellum.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

I'm not saying there aren't vegan fundie idiots. (I lived in O.C., the home of Vegan Reich and Earth Crisis, AFAIK, after all).. but I'm kinda getting tired of all the generalizations about vegans being made based on just encounters with the few vocal idiot vegans.

This may be shocking, but there are asshole carnivores, too. *GASP*

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

so LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH THEIR MEAT EATING SUCKS!

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

there are TONS of asshole carnivores. i myself have been guilty of chiding HPENCIL for not eating delicious meats and calling him a "pussy" amongst other things.

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

I have a relative who's allergic to corn. You have no idea what a pain in the ass that is.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

No, meat-eaters on the whole are gracious, even sweet people... vegans care so much about farm animals that they don't have any love to give for their fellow man.

― andy --, Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

This may be shocking, but there are asshole carnivores, too. *GASP*

Way more common, in my experience.

― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

I'm totally guilty of being an animal lover. They tend to be a lot more loveable.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

so LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH THEIR MEAT EATING SUCKS!

MEAT!!!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

The should be a distinction made between people who are vegans for health or social reasons and people who are vegans for philosophical or animal ethics reasons. The latter is more likely a bit freakish.

― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

What would be a "social" reason for veganism? It's trendy?

― andy --, Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

Why are logs so made of wood?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Would it be churlish to ask everyone on this thread to eat a (soy) dick?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

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ddb is a dick, but in an awesome way.

He's also a tedious control freak

― does that make you want to touch yourself? (nordicskilla), Thursday, 7 April 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

especially about SKATEBOARDS.

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 7 April 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

and metal.

i have had a vegan philly cheesesteak, but not in philly. i know a place there that has 'em, tho.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 7 April 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

i am a curvaceous vegan, i'm never mean to fat people cos i think they are hot. i am a really fucking control freak fuck.

― di, Friday, 8 April 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

I'm a doughy vegan and I'm a fucking pushover fuck fuck.

― I DESIRE...MACARONI NECKLACES AND SOAP SCULPTURES (Matt Chesnut), Friday, 8 April 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

He's also a tedious control freak

ha! i don't think he's even seen this thread yet.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 8 April 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

http://66.221.71.68/pics/vegan.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 8 April 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

ooooo! "prizes"! that's why so many people subscribe to it!

― kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Friday, 8 April 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

I think it's more likely to be the New Look myself

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 8 April 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)

one thing that was really tedious about being a vegan: meat-eaters who would attempt to argue that because they had seen me drink a beer that might have been filtered with a product that contained an animal by-product, i should just give up and tuck into a quarter-pounder.

that shit was weak.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 8 April 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)

actually, i think the meat eaters are the control freaks.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

I ONLY EAT UNICORN MEAT.

― ddb (ddb), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

This is one of the most defensive (on both sides) threads I've ever read.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

I guess you haven't read any of the 900 other "Vegetarians are dumb/Nuh uh! It is you that is dumb!" threads then. This one's relatively mild.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, this one is like a pleasant nap in a hammock.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

the whole thing mystifies me. shookout, if your vegan friends are such weird douchebags then it says as much about your and your taste in people as it does about vegans as a whole. if they're not your friends, rather people you've encountered in passing, then forget about it. why waste such time and energy on psychologising and worrying and second-guessing?

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

I don't really see what the big deal is about vegetarians or vegans. I am not one, but no one has ever given me a hard time about it. I guess I'm just not getting where the animosity towards them is coming from.

― Leon WK (Ex Leon), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

I hate you, Leon WK. GRRRR!!! (j/k).

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

I think the basic root of this thread is "people hate feeling selfconcious."

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

and indeed they do.

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

if being around someone who doesn't eat meat (or any other animal product) is enough to make you feel self-conscious, then you've got serious issues.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

It made me feel self conscious when a friend's girlfriend who was vegan said "I'd rather have cancer than be fat. And that's why I'm vegan." Now that's issues.

― Dan M. (OutDatWay), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

Weird... That's my reason too!!

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?????????

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

i am omnivorous but have lots of vegan friends and several of them are the nicest, gentlest, least judgemental people i know (none of them match the rather silly characterisation in the thread title, but then i don't hang around fictional student unions circa 1987).

i always order vegan food if we have lunch together but that's cos i feel personally guilty for not being a vegan, or at least not investigating properly where my food comes from. I have this inbuilt feeling that it's kinda gauche, uncool to eat meat.

― debden, Friday, 8 April 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

this vaguely reminds me of the pitbull threads.

poster 1: why would anyone be vegan/own a pitbull? not eating meat/owning a potentially vicious animal is downright screwy.

poster 2: i have a pitbull/know a vegan/am a vegan and it's lovable/he's normal/i'm healthy and don't have issues.

poster 3: i think pitbulls/vegans should be banned and destroyed.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Oh come on, a lot of vegans/vegetarians are totally selfconcious about their diet around meat eaters too. It's no one-way street, Lauren. Judgemental people are judgemental people are judgemental people.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

i was using the general you, not the matthew c perpetua-specific you. anyway, i seriously think there are bigger issues to be self-conscious about or worry over.. if one of your main worries is someone else's diet, then you must have a lot of time on your hands.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Well, except for the guy who started this thread and seems to have a massive hate-on for vegans, who really seems to have this be one of their "main worries"? It's more like a minor insecurity for most, you know?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

Vegans are nowhere near as annoying as people who constantly talk about "carbs."

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 8 April 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

They both don't seem to realize that many of us who don't pay such close attention to what we eat are perfectly healthy and live to ripe old ages.
I've only known one or two vegans who annoyed me, but really they would have had an annoying personality, vegan or not. Veganism seems to attract a certain sort of grating, my-body-is-a-temple new-age hyper-sensitive very neurotic personality type, though. (which by no means, uh, means that all or even a majority of vegans fit this)

― ()ops (()()ps), Friday, 8 April 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

Your body isn't a temple?

― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Don't get me started.

― John Mayer (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Most the vegans I've known have been great people. And look perfectly healthy.

xpost

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

Lauren, the only logical conclusions are that tedious, vegan, control-freak pitbulls must be destroyed and that vegans must be forced to eat them.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

No, my body is a ziggaraut.

― ()ops (()()ps), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

same thing.

― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

eight years pass...

a vegan, someone whose life transformation turns every normal sociable encounter involving food (and lots where there isn't even any food!! goddamn!) into trick-or-treating at that one house where they gave out carob instead of chocolate

― j., Saturday, 15 June 2013 02:49 (twelve years ago)

tbf the meat industry is fucking horrifying. I am not a vegan (not very disciplined) but i see veganism as a logical extension of other ethical consumption choices, like buying fair trade coffee or w/e.

― Treeship, Saturday, 15 June 2013 02:59 (twelve years ago)

except for the whole not cannibalism thing like, right

― should we bin tapping? (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 June 2013 03:13 (twelve years ago)

you'd allow that right

― should we bin tapping? (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 June 2013 03:13 (twelve years ago)

I'm on record as being anti-cannibalism, I believe.

― Treeship, Saturday, 15 June 2013 03:15 (twelve years ago)

i said i'd make you say it

― should we bin tapping? (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 June 2013 03:20 (twelve years ago)

"Treeship denies cannibalism allegations"

― Treeship, Saturday, 15 June 2013 03:22 (twelve years ago)

great copy, great copy, the hot new poster whose cannibalism thought they all wanted

― should we bin tapping? (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 June 2013 03:31 (twelve years ago)

i like cheese

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 15 June 2013 05:25 (twelve years ago)

I'm not completely sure what vegan objections to locally-sources eggs are, unless they're pretty high-ideology "we don't have the right to avail ourselves of other creatures' work" - hens lay eggs, yes? or not yes? I'm veg since 1995, that creatures shouldn't have to suffer/die to feed me seems self-evident, but local cheese/eggs don't seem at all problematic to me unless the hens/cows/goats are slated for slaughter

― Oral Sex in Sharp’s Ridge Park (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 15 June 2013 05:42 (twelve years ago)

i know vegans that will make exceptions for stuff like that

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 15 June 2013 05:49 (twelve years ago)

can post more on this later, but obviously the production of eggs and dairy on whatever sort of scale only requires the female chicken or cow or goat. you'd always need to bring new chickens or cows into the world to replace older ones as their productivity drops off (and what happens to these older chickens and cows then?), but all the male chicks and calves that are born are pretty much redundant, so it would be exceptional if they were allowed to grow to maturity. and obviously dairy production relies on a constant cycle of enforced pregnancy and birth to bring the cows into lactation, they don't just start producing milk for no reason. you're going to end up with lots of unwanted calves or goat kids there of either sex.

― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Saturday, 15 June 2013 10:09 (twelve years ago)

Some udders do ovum

― should we bin tapping? (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 June 2013 12:03 (twelve years ago)

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