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This Flash movie used to be posted on the official Morr Music site. Some complaining by myself and others got the link removed, but they're still obviously hosting it.
Thoughts? I want to do a pooh.
-- Mark (mpytli...), April 28th, 2002.
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Why the complaining??? Insurrections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Chupa-Cabras (m_66...), April 28th, 2002.
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What is this file? I don't like to download .exe files without a clue?
The Isan reworking of Depeche Mode on the Morr Music website sounds pretty good though.
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It's a Flash file (in .exe) compressed to .zip. I want to do a pooh.
-- Mark (mpytli...), April 28th, 2002.
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Well, won't be running it on my computer. EXE files are tools of the devil, esp when most of this stuff could be accomplished by Flash or Shockwave. Maybe you'd better just tell us what it is.
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Yeah, what the hell is the big secret?
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Seeing as how the purpose of my post was to get others' opinions on this animation, it'd be self-defeating for me to sit here and give a blow by blow account. Suffice to say, it involves bombs, the twin towers and what could be construed as a very racist depiction of Islam.
As for the fact that it's an .exe file -- what's the big deal? It's still a Flash animation, but since it's no longer hosted online, it's in .exe format rather than .swf. Check it out, dammit.
-- Mark (mpytli...), April 28th, 2002.
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With respect, no...you run an EXE file on your computer and it gives that application permission to do whatever it wants, including deleting files and installing trojans. Was it the parody of "Banana Boat"?
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How would it be "self-defeating" if you want people's opinions to explain to them what it is? Jackass. WITHOUT respect, no, I won't download this. You're basically discluding two types of people from your audience:
People who can't use .exe files on their computers (many workplaces have disallowed this, so anyone reading from work)
People who are not MORONS WHO WANT VIRUSES.
I would so give you the middle finger if I could, but my webcam isn't working quite right. I want to do a pooh.
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well, that was pointless and uncalled for, but ironically not unexpected.
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Is indie rock an aesthetic desert? Is there any good stuff out there? What do people get out of this 'emo' music anyway? Why do all the music weblogs out there seem to only focus on indie rock? Can indie be saved?
Lots of questions, eh? The spur for all this was my horrified encounter with two emo tracks I got off of saturn.org. And no, I'm not really dismissing an entire genre after two songs: if you know some good stuff, do tell.
-- Tom (to...), August 26th, 2000. (2 trackbacks)
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How important is the "rock"? Because a lot of indie music doesn't. Much.
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although emo is a sub-genre of this thing we have dubbed indie rock, it does not define the whole genre. of course, a shit ass emo band would prefer to be labeled by this meaningless term, because it's either that or be lumped in with uncool pop-punk bands like blink182 and fenix, tx. for the uninitiated, that's pretty much what most emo bands are like. i think of indie rock as more of a catch-all term for supposedly unclassifiable music. it's stupid, but for me it works because i don't have to say, "well i like this noise stuff on Skin Graft, but i also like this ambient stuff, and Palace Brothers and US Maple and Built to Spill, etc..."
anyway, there are some worthwhile indie rock bands around right now. i don't think any one would disagree that The Dismemberment Plan and Les Savy fav are two extremely likable yet challenging indie rock that are almost single-handedly saving the genre. if you are just getting into or trying to understand indie rock in the late 90's, they are the bands to start with. listen and love!
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I agree with Josh. "Rock" in and recognizable form has been a desert since about '92 (Bikini Kill, Nirvana, Slint). There's some fucking amazing music coming out of other places these days, though. Yes, emo is crap. It's pop music Backstreet bullshit for kids from big cities who want to think they're 'hip' but lack the essential imagination to abandon the music of their parents. I guess the closest thing to a good rock band I could suggest is Refused, a hardcore/electro blend in the vein of recent Primal Scream, but with ball that would crush those limeys skulls. Rock indeed.
-- David Morris (sleepnotwor...), August 28th, 2000.
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Yeah, the genre is overloaded and there's a lot of dire stuff that isn't worth anyone's time, but try do a little more digging before you proclaim the genre an "aesthetic desert". Some excellent bands that have come to my attention recently: Spoon, Grandaddy, Godspeed You Black Emperor! ( is it "rock"? Does it matter? ). Built to Spill (among others) are still really great, and I am equally sure that there are many, many praiseworthy bands that I have not yet heard. Sometimes it's hard to wade through the musical refuse, but discovery a great band that produces original and exciting music makes it worthwhile.
-- Mitch Anonymous (mitchnet7...), August 29th, 2000.
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Grandaddy! Hah! Don't give Tom any more reasons to give up on indie rock. :)
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Irritating stories vs boring stories.
Have either of their solo series ever been good? I suppose I'm fond of Aquaman in a "would never buy his comic" sort of way. (Does he still have a hook?) Namor on the other hand infuriates me - WHAT A TWAT, oh but his powerful sense of honour grrrrrr, "You dare lay hand upon a prince of the blood" etc etc. It was Stan who secretly fancied him, not Sue.
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Though Attuma has a good helmet.
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All they do is prove that superhero fans don't want to read stories that take place underwater on a regular basis. Swimming really well and being friends with seafood is not a common male power fantasy.
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Dissing emo and then recommending Refused (electro?!?) is like dissing rap and recommending KRS One. Granted, the idea of emo is probably atrocious (hyper-earnest, emotional punk rock), but thank god rock has never been about ideas. I've always considered the forefathers of emo bands like the Wipers and Husker Du, who dramatized a certain kind of lonely suburban adolescence in their songs. (I love the Wipers and really don't care much about Husker Du, but that's as irrelevant as saying emo sucks). It's such a broad term anyway, referring as easily to whiny-ass, sub-pop losers like Braid or Texas is the Reason, as it does to the ultraspeedy, ultraviolent stylings of Asshole Parade or Charles Bronson. As far as good stuff, I stopped caring years ago but these days it seems most good indie rock bands are influenced by Night Ranger in one way or another: Love as Laughter, the Bloodbrothers, the Hot Snakes, Le Shok, Les Savy Fav, the Tight Bros. From Way Back When, WCKR SPGT, Skull Kontrol, and Weezer are all terrific.
As to why there's so much indie rock crap on the web, or why there's so much indie rock crap on college radio, or why there's so much indie rock crap in zines, the answer is clear. The indie rocker is the modern hippie, and the internet is his LSD (or more appropriately perhaps, his public television).
-- Kris P. Chopper Turbo (like a suicide) (branch_ricke...), August 31st, 2000.
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Is "emo" really so broad, in practice, any more? As far as I've seen it's being more and more exclusively applied to sub-pop whinefests like the Promise Ring. Anything more accurately labeled "emo" in the more historical sense probably gets called "punk" these days, eh?
-- Josh (kortbei...), September 2nd, 2000.
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>The thought of an entire generation of American college students >growing up listening to this stunted excuse for pop is >soul-cripplingly horrible.
Where did this notion come from that college students listen to indie rock (or any sort of postpunk music)? Does *anyone* sincerely believe this? As far as I can tell, most students with whom I go to school and work are more likely to listen to Britney Spears, Tupac, or Treble Charger and have never *heard* of Sonic Youth let alone Samiam. In a town with two major universities the Dismemberment Plan pulled in maybe 50 people (not all of whom were students) when they came.
-- sundar subramanian (ssubram...), September 3rd, 2000.
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Does anyone else remember when "emo" meant Hoover and Policy of 3 and Okara and even Slint?
-- sundar subramanian (ssubram...), September 3rd, 2000.
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I thought the Dismemberment Plan were fabulous live -- exciting, explosive, almost singlehandedly made me believe in rock again that night. The CD (_Emergency & I_) I bought that night seemed less phenomenal and hasn't been occupying much space in my CD player recently. It definitely does have exciting moments: "What Do You Want Me To Say?" may even be a greater modern rock single as "Never Let You Go"; the songs where the vocalist freaks out or stutters can rock you; "The City" is a fine ballad. It seems, though, that the production of the record took away the rock'n'roll force that the band can achieve live. Some songs, like the first two, are a little too close to a mathified Our Lady Peace for me (the vocals, when he doesn't freak out, don't help to dispel that impression).
Camera Obscura, whom I saw the next night, were equally phenomenal live. At moments created a Branca-esque guitar smear. Were so loud they had a shimmering wall of noise going the whole time. Grinded like Swans at other moments. Again, the CD was a bit of a letdown from the live show but has its great moments all the same. Much more of a typical rocking hardcore sound much of the time with synths and samples thrown in. Still, the second track is possibly the best shoegaze song I've heard that wasn't done by My Bloody Valentine. A brief Branca moment manages to creep in on one track. A fine drum sound and great biting vocals.
Black Cat 13 played with CO and were great both live and on record. Superfast no-wavey hardcore with squealing synths and female vocals.
-- sundar subramanian (ssubram...), September 3rd, 2000.
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No one around my neck of the (back) woods listens to indie rock, that's for sure - I just checked my university's purchase circle on amazon.com, and it hasn't moved much in months. There are still two Dave Matthews releases in the top 20, if that tells you anything. I wonder, how much different is this state of affairs from that at other colleges or those from earlier times? It seems to me that the tastes of college students are probably only marginally different from those of the greater public, most times and places.
-- Josh (kortbei...), September 3rd, 2000.
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Well, apologies for misrepresenting American students as being all stereotypical indie boys and girls....my sole evidence for this was obviously the dominance of said topic on the various music zines and weblogs I read. Obviously this is a skewed sample, though if there were some more generalist e-zines out there I'd like to know about them.
-- Tom (ebro...), September 4th, 2000.
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Living in the middle of the Five College community (UMass, Smith, Mt. Holyoke, Amherst, Hampshire), I probably have as good an idea of what college kids listen to as anyone. Tastes vary and are hard to measure on such a large scale, but simply going by the live scene, indie's dominant. Indie kids are too earnest and willing to organize their own concerts, goddamn them. They have horrible tastes and are generally persons without redeeming social value. I hang out with a lot of them. Some of them can drum to keep me awake. That's about all I ask of an indie-rocker, well, that and a nice ass. If you sing through a plastic polar bear, talk like someone who eats porridge, play a broken toy piano and are backed by a tuba and a 7-ft. metronome (i.e. you're part of the E6 crew), I might wave my requirements, though I still won't think you're good (unless you're Neutral Milk Hotel). Any other so- called indie-rockers I like (Sleater-Kinney, the Gossip, the Magnetic Fields, Mazarin) are anomalies. Indie's been an aesthetic desert ever since people gave relevance to Steve Albini's assholeishness.
-- Otis (owheele...), September 5th, 2000.
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So what you're saying, Otis, is that you're a dilettante like me? Or Tom? Or most of us? :)
-- Josh (kortbei...), September 6th, 2000.
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going by the live scene, sure. what is the attendance at these concerts? anything close to 20% of the student population? of course britney fans aren't going to organize weekly all-ages britney shows at the local pub -- it's a medium geared towards indie (or small-audience) music. is this really reflective of the student population's tastes as a whole?
-- sundar subramanian (ssubram...), September 7th, 2000.
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Well, getting into demographics would be misleading, as your example of students who've "never *heard* of Sonic Youth" doesn't apply here at all (here being Northampton MA, the transplanted home of half of SY). I've seen them draw crowds of over 2,000, which is as many people as you're gonna get in this neck of the woods if you're not Bob Dylan.
Take into account the schools I'm talking about. Someone at Hampshire really is more likely to be into free-jazz than Britney. You got thousands blasting Eminem and Phish daily at UMass, but that's offset by two ladies colleges where you're more likely to hear not only Sarah McLachlan but, just as likely, Bikini Kill (nay, Le Tigre) and the Magnetic Fields.
Point I guess being that my area is so new-grass hippie progressive that it wasn't really a good example, except to chime in that there are communities where people who listen to the Pixies are as prominent as kids who spin DMX.
-- Otis (owheele...), September 7th, 2000.
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I sure with I lived there, but seriously, did anyone see Reynols before they cancelled their tour? If anyone's gonna save indie, it's a band like that. And nice to see mention of anomaly rockers, Mazarin. I still love that cd.
-- Lee (stulee...), September 7th, 2000.
ie the first hardcover (the paperbacks are shorter and much smaller page-size-wise. unfortunately there are also a lot more of them, so much of it hasn't been hardcovered yet... (and I've never seen a copy of #3 so I'm really like nine years behind...))
-- kit brash (kitbras...), April 13th, 2005.
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Damn, I think it HAS been going on for 10 years. DL gets to it when he can (& I think he took a break to do another series - Murder Me Dead - a few years' back). You can jump in whenever, really - the stories are accentuated by knowing who's who, but I think they work just fine on their own. That's how I got into it! Here's info from Forbidden Planet. U&K words to look for: AMY RACECAR.
-- David R. (quoteidio...), April 13th, 2005.
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now i'm curious -- what is hampshire? some kind of music school?
can someone explain to me the british use of the term 'indie' since it appears to have little to do with independent labels? is it equivalent to 'alternative?'
-- sundar subramanian (ssubram...), September 10th, 2000.
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"Indie" was originally AFAIK used to describe the output of independent labels. Those independent labels had fantastically diverse things going on but a core 'sound' developed of whatyoumightcall 'college rock' in the mid-late 80s and this became known as "indie" the genre. Two things happened to make this the dominant meaning in the UK.
First of all, dance music hit and independent labels popped up to release this stuff. It sold very well and the
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You mean Suzy owns the namedropping threads.
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anthony, but only cos having flowers in your foyer bespeaks a high level of culture. modern art suX0r :):)
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hi. like. when you submerge and fill a glass and then get it turned upside down and then lift most but not all of it out so that the level in the glass is higher than the level of the rest. of the rest.
classic or dud?
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How about turning washclothes into sea monsters while in the bath?
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Richard John Gillanders on ILE is classic enough for me. But, wow! So is the glass thing!
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I know AICON is a joke, but it made me think of some good questions:
When does it happen that you understand "cool" means nothing apart from "I like that" or "I identify with that right now"? There are so many cool coolios associated with music that are at complete odds with each other, mocking each others' subcultures, etc. that I can't help finding it amusing. Music seems to be a good polarizing device. You're either "with it" or you suck. I think I realized it for *real* my freshman year at college and began wearing normal hair and clothes again. Still, it seems others are always riding the wave of hipsterness to ripe old ages and snickering at the rest of the nerds. How do we stop this? What is one logical sentence that could make any urbanite wannabe rapstar, indie rocker, glam rock, punk rock, hippie or raver chick shrivel up and die from embarrassment?
(This would be a throwback to my hostile-yet-joking first posts on this site. I hope you understand I am not referring to any of YOU people. Take no offense and don't get "all up in my grill, aight?!")
-- (neuromance...), April 3rd, 2001.
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Here is my post again, not so annoyingly formatted (I hope): I know AICON is a joke, but it made me think of some good questions: When does it happen that you understand "cool" means nothing apart from "I like that" or "I identify with that right now"? There are so many cool coolios associated with music that are at complete odds with each other, mocking each others' subcultures, etc. that I can't help finding it amusing. Music seems to be a good polarizing device. You're either "with it" or you suck. I think I realized it for *real* my freshman year at college and began wearing normal hair and clothes again. Still, it seems others are always riding the wave of hipsterness to ripe old ages and snickering at the rest of the nerds. How do we stop this? What is one logical sentence that could make any urbanite wannabe rapstar, indie rocker, glam rock, punk rock, hippie or raver chick shrivel up and die from embarrassment?
(This would be a throwback to my hostile-yet-joking first posts on this site. I hope you understand I am not referring to any of YOU people. Take no offense and don't get "all up in my grill, aight?!")
-- (neuromance...), April 3rd, 2001.
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repost of above-sick of scrolling over, no answer.
I know AICON is a joke, but it made me think of some good questions: When does it happen that you understand "cool" means nothing apart from "I like that" or "I identify with that right now"? There are so many cool coolios associated with music that are at complete odds with each other, mocking each others' subcultures, etc. that I can't help finding it amusing. Music seems to be a good polarizing device. You're either "with it" or you suck. I think I realized it for *real* my freshman year at college and began wearing normal hair and clothes again. Still, it seems others are always riding the wave of hipsterness to ripe old ages and snickering at the rest of the nerds. How do we stop this? What is one logical sentence that could make any urbanite wannabe rapstar, indie rocker, glam rock, punk rock, hippie or raver chick shrivel up and die from embarrassment?
(This would be a throwback to my hostile-yet-joking first posts on this site. I hope you understand I am not referring to any of YOU people. Take no offense and don't get "sall up in my grill, taight?!")
-- Kevin Enas (masterblank...), April 3rd, 2001.
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The key to the phrase that would make such a person shrivel up and die is that it would have to be something that wouldn't want to make them beat the living snot out of you. We're not out to make enemies here!
-- (neuromance...), April 3rd, 2001.
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If you're looking for "one sentence that will make any urbanite rapper, indie rocker, glam, punk, hippie or raver chick die from embarassment", how are you any different from the snickering scenesters?
When I wear outlandish clothes, it's because I want to. Nothing more, nothing less. AICON is a joke, and a bad one at that; discrimination based on appearance has killed millions of people.
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And yes, I realize that you weren't referring to anyone in particular. I just took umbrage with the general topic.
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I am also meeting next week with another hollywood actor, who is sponsoring yet another new wing of the oxford university library. As with John Ritter (discussed in separate thread), I have never seen his movies. is Mark Harmon any good?
-- ham goodge (td...), November 21st, 2002. (1 trackback)
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he looks like john ritter!
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These are all similar actors, are they not?
'm saying as a DEFENSE, not an attack, which would actually make me less judgemental. Get me? Something a little more thoughtful than, "Oh, well I'm sorry I can't be all cool like you". That doesn't really work.
-- (neuromance...), April 4th, 2001.
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AICON isn't entirely a joke.
I am extremely uncool. For all I know there are plenty of people who haven't wanted to hang out with me because of this. But they've not made that known to me so I've not been able to come up with a stinging anti-hipster riposte. So I'm wondering under what circumstances would this killer phrase be said?
-- Tom (ebro...), April 4th, 2001.
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Tom, maybe you are so uncool you are cool...its all a load of bollocks at the end of the day, anyway.
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I too like to think I'm so uncool that I'm cool. You wouldn't want to see *anyone* looking as dishevelled as me, let's just say.
-- Robin Carmody (robi...), April 4th, 2001.
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Tom, there's 2 instances an intelligent, stinging comment would work well. First type: I hang out with 2 guys from work that are all about hip hop. Normally, I wouldn't seek out a hip hop crowd because I have little in common, but they are nice guys for the most part, I work with them, live close, etc. It just irks me that they say silly shit to the effect that I'm less cool than them, like I'm a tight ass white guy because I don't dress or act all hip hop. They'll make the nerdy white guy voice. Second type: I was in Virgin last weekend with my girlfriend, her sister and her boyfriend, waiting in line and this not-even-that-flashy-but-apparantly-thinks- she's-real-chic girl in front of us turned and slowly looked my girlfriend from head to toe, then looked at her sister from head to toe with this obnoxious smirk of "I'm better than you" on her face. They just started laughing because it was so 15-year-oldish. Then, as she walked past us later, she REALLY had a one-side-of- her-face smirk and affected this total STRUT. All I could think of was, "Oh, hello, Foxy Lady" but I think that just fed her ego, since I don't think she's smart enough to understand sarcasm. Anyway, that's it. I was just hoping for a tactful, nonthreatening comment that would make someone actually THINK about being so judgemental.
-- (neuromance...), April 4th, 2001.
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I can't think of some snappy one-liner right now, but I have been so tempted to steer conversation with the local metallers round to an analysis of what a 'trendy' is. They don't seem to understand that they follow trends just like the 'trendies', just different ones. No harm in that per se, its just that they think they're so damn good for not liking garage! GAH! By the way, I also happen to think that AICON is quite amusing as it shows up all the music-related stereotypes floating around. I don't think there's much harm in it, despite what Inukko says.
-- DG (rgreenfiel...), April 4th, 2001.
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This happens in both directions. So-called 'normal' people give me shit about my appearence all the time. It's not a result of the 'scene' you're in, it has to do with whether that person is an insecure vicious-minded creep who wants to give someone a hard time. There is nothing you can say that doesn't pander into their hands. The only reaction I've ever found that works is to give them an incredulous look and sneer/laugh back. It's the only language they understand.
I also disagree with Aicon but it's slightly improved for not being anonymous anymore. If you're going to put shit on someone at least you should take responsibility for your comments and own up to being an asshole.
-- Audrey (audreyhorn...), April 4th, 2001.
Anthony and Suzy
(Though obviously not real culture)
-- Graham (dtc...), November 15, 2001.
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Anthony, for Japanese art threads.
-- kate (masonicboo...), November 15, 2001.
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Sorry, Momus wipes the floor with this one. I miss him. I'll nominate the other Nick, too (Dastoor), but he doesn't post enough.
-- Noam Buhde (momus@momus.momus), November 15, 2001.
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Momus, Pinefox
-- chris (duckyfuz...), November 15, 2001.
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FatNick.
-- DG (rgreenfiel...), November 15, 2001.
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Nick C, Anthony, Nitsuh, Kate, Kerry.
-- suzy (theartskooldisk...), November 15, 2001.
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I'll nominate the other Nick, too (Dastoor), but he doesn't post enough.
What can this mean?
-- Nick (nickdastoo...), November 15, 2001.
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Quite like these boys myself, was wondering what you lot thought.
-- tonywilson (tonywilso...), February 28th, 2005.
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Get the actual Section 25 masters to LTM, would ya?
What little I've heard sounded pretty spiff.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), February 28th, 2005.
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I really like the new single.
-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...), February 28th, 2005.
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As in the hiphopcolumnin DJ Magazine.
Raw-T
Where We Live
F4
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So much shit about how, wow, grime’s made it to Manchester mostly writ by clueless dicks who’d get their nose run over if they sneezed beyond the North Circular. FFS – the idea that music exactly like what is now called grime hasn’t been made all around the country for the past two decades is just bollocks, and what we’re hearing on this fab little single from Tony Wilson’s new F4 imprint is simply the latest in a long line of great Manchester rap-acts (think Krispy 3 & RRA & Kaliphz & The Ruf and loads of others). ‘Where We Live’ has sick sick voices, a banging rhythmic slo-mo/hypespeed puzzle at it’s heart and some of the most heartbreaking string-loops you’ve heard since Martin Hannett and Durutti Column. On the flip ‘I Bet You Didn’t Expect This’ is breakneck rhyme-science that fizzes and bleeps with dazzling detail and gurgling testubes, whilst ‘Starlight’ closes out a storming 12 with doom-etched electro-bass, scarifying peripheral noise and harsh beats like an updated Yargo or Guy Called Gerald. Unforgiving, compelling Manc music. S’like the Hulme Kitchen never shut down. Superb.
So imho classic so far.
-- Neil Kulkarni (moonbear6...), March 1st, 2005.
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"Starlight" is the best of the three, it's so so good.
-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...), March 1st, 2005.
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would those guy called gerald refs make it into that review if raw-t werent from manchester? i doubt it cos i dont hear anything like that in where we live. its a nice link to make though.
it is brilliant though.
-- splooge (sploogeyo...), March 4th, 2005.
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