Why isn't it okay to eat cats and dogs?

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People eat chickens and bunnies and lambs and baby cows and piggies and even quails and duckies - so why do they balk at pussy-cats and puppy-dogs???

― toraneko, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

they don't in Korea, heheh. i wouldn't eat a cat or dog, therefore i wouldn't eat a cow or pig. people dont make the same emotional connections with their traditional loyal fluffy pets as they do with a bigger, less cute, altogether smellier animal that has been reared for meat.

― katie, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(Must resist pussy eating joke, must resist pussy eating joke).

Cats are aparently quite stringy. 'Sokay to eat dogs in the far east. I certainly wouldn't have an ideological problem with it.

― Pete, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I probably wouldn't have that much of a problem if one was put on a plate in front of me. I was passing the Korean embassy the other day and there were 5 soggy protesters with banners saying SHAME ON YOU KOREA. Would you say that this is hypocritical of them in the way that they don't say SHAME ON YOU KOREA (for eating beef)?

THEN AGAIN I decided I would cut down on meat and therefore eat MORE VEGETABLES the other day. But I forgot about it at lunchtime as on automatic-drone I moronically bought a ham and cheese sammiche oh well. Well, you can't exactly have a carrot sammiche, can you? Well you could but not from anywhere on Villiers St.

― Sarah, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

also, i think that most people (apart from ultra-realist Pete that is, heh) don't actually think for a minute or appreciate that their burger or whatever was once a living thing, just like beloved Fluffy or Mr Tiddles. Children are appallingly ignorant about where their food comes from. i also once got harangued at length by a boss of mine for not drinking milk and she ended by yelling at me "WHAT ELSE DO YOU THINK THE COWS MAKE THE MILK FOR??!?!?!" i just couldn't say anything, i was so shocked.

― katie, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

In a Korean film once saw (301/302 it was called) a woman cooks her husband's dog because he was cheating on her. He didn't seem to think it was ok. I am half Korean so does that grant me dog-eating privaledges?

― Honda, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

NB I was never allowed a dog or cat as a pet when little. I think this CALLOUSNESS of my parents has turned me into a revenge seeking bastard. Bring on the tabby sandwitch.

TBH, methods of production mean more to me than the fact that it was a living thing. I can live with that just fine.

― Sarah, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

was it our renowned Prince Philip who made that comment about Koreans being dog-eaters? i guess in the end Honda, it's a personal choice what you want to eat or not eat :)

― katie, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You'd have to catch the cat first and not have your eyes ripped from their sockets.

― DG, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

, i think that most people (apart from ultra-realist Pete that is, heh) don't actually think for a minute or appreciate that their burger or whatever was once a living thing

Is this really the case? In my experience most people over the age of 10 know and appreciate that beef comes from cows, bacon from pigs etc. Saying that, there does seem to be very little understanding of the fact that the dairy industry in its current form relies on the slaughter of huge numbers of animals.

― RickyT, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the methods of production are more important to me too in the end, Sarah. i have far less "beef" (ho ho, i appear to have made that joke before) with organic farms, for example, than i do with battery production. it's just that in my case i happen to wuv animals far far too much to eat them, let alone torture them before doing so. and i think that even if i did eat organic meat and dairy, i would acknowledge and respect the fact that i had to take something's life in order to do so (in the meat's case at least). i can totally understand why some mentalist fur protesters make graves for the coats - it's because the life of the animal has not been respected. i think that if you have a lack of respect for your food it betrays a lack of respect for your own body - you are what you eat, and all that. yes that makes me nuts!

― katie, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

rickyT you come from bluff Yorkshire farming land. of course everyone there knows about meat!

― katie, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Katie is right up to a point, most urbanites really don't consider the fact that meat comes from animals (it comes from supermarkets) - and since people are very adept at holding contradictory beliefs it isn't all that obvious to connect a cow with a shrink wrapped joint of beef.

I used to think the sentimental reason was the worst reason not to eat meat, now I tend to think it is the best. Most of the other arguments which work on cold hard logic about food production, distrubution, feeding the worlds population can be broken down. But saying you like animals too much to be a party to their death is outside the bounds of conterable arguments.

Me - as an ultra-realist - I hate all animals as I see them as competition (and they are getting more sex than me). So I like to eat them. Be they cow, horse, crocodile, pigeon, rabbit, fish or cockroach.

― Pete, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Pete are you trying to cop off with lady cows, horses, crocodiles, pigeons, rabbits, fish and cockroaches you sick puppy?

― Emma, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

they won't stay in the pot un less you find a really big rock to keep the lid down with

― Ed, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree with pete an katie, I've banged on enough about this elsewhere, but can't bebothered to search for the thread.

― Ed, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i am just happy as it means that on saturday i will be sitting next to Pete with his crocodile and ostrich balti whilst i happily tuck in to my chickpeas! hurrah!

― katie, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I once spent New Year's around my friend Tim's house - a farm in Herefordshire. Before we broke out the cheer, we all had dinner - Shepherd's Pie. All was going to plan until Tim informed me that the pie was once called 'Petal'. I ate it anyway. By 'eck, you smelt gorgeous Petal.

― Will, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Unfortunately Katie I don't think we will be sitting next to each other - since you will be in hospital after me and S Club 7 have seen you off. FITE!

― Pete, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yeah i forgot about that. and it ain't gonna be me what's in hospital - FITE!!!!

― katie, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Summoning all you scholars: Is it true that eating horses/donkeys/camels is banned in some paragraph of Leviticus or similar and that's why we westerners still find the idea in general repulsive, despite their similarity with other mammals we slaughter frequently, like the defunct Petal, R.I.P.?

With the exception of French and Italians on the horses bit ;-)

― Laetitia, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

locusts = the prawns of the air!! it's all in leviticus!! thou shalt not eat crawly bellydust worms!! er i wasn't going to!! well ok but just be warned!!

(kittens = the mammal marshmallow: two are fine, but if you wolf a whole bag you will feel ill)

― mark s, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Locust are very tasty, last time I had them they were deep fried and you ate them whole like whitebait. If boiled they tend to be a bit fiddly.

Of course the prohibitions vis a vis kosher food is all in the Bible to but we love the pig meat so much we mash the leftovers together to make loverly Spam.

The domestic animals we do eat have pretty much been reared for economic reasons (amount of meat, ease of production, homogenity of final product). The horse was always seen to be too useful in UK to raise as cattle.

― Pete, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What does kebab count as? Surely it's naivete on a Whittingtonian scale to suggest 'lamb'?

― Will, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh its lamb alright. Just not top grade. It would cost a lot more for them to use exotic meat like cat.

― Pete, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

kebab = "lamb" saveloy

― mark s, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what about the Greenwich special? £6.50 worth of kebab must have some cat in it?

― chris, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cats were commonly sold as rabbit during struggling old times. My dad cannot even think of rabbit as food because of the possible confusion.

According to 'ALIVE!' , human flesh tastes pretty much like chicken.

― Laetitia, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've always wanted to taste human. I understand it isn't that far from Pork (the white meat of pork). Hence the longpig.

Rabbit is lovely, though the rabbit stew I had in the Paris-London Cafe in Archway last Saturday was very disappointing.

― Pete, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My Grandpa unwittingly ate human during the war. I can't remember exact circumstances because I was playing Return of the Jedi on his Commodore 64 while he was telling the story.

― Will, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Will - you got your priorities SOOOO wrong.

― Pete, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was eight years old and on the last level. It meant something.

― Will, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Peter, you should be careful to say 'Rabbit is lovely' if going abroad...especially if you formulate the sentence in the terms 'I love to eat rabbit'. Though the same applies for cat in some other parts of the world. Definitely, cats and rabbits must have so much in common.

I think I am going to propose to my boss to copyright the genetic string of a cat/rabbit pet.

― Laetitia, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Duh, chew your nails. You'll get to skin soon enough. It's not bad!!!

― Sarah, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, you try saying Cows = Num Num in certain parts of India. When an animal is sacred it really is a no no.

― Pete, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cows=num num=cheese slices?

eh?

― Will, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't be so f******** scholar, Peter. I just was being naughty...!

Thanks for the respect, but not as much as 'sacred', s'il vous plait.

― Laetitia, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The fact that domestic cats and dogs eat such awful shit (Whiskas, Chum (originally typed 'cum' haha) etc.) prob. means that they are v. untasty for human consumers.

Mind you, Phillip K Dick claimed that he and one of his wives once ate dog food when they were v.v. poor. Anyone else eaten a sample of Fido grub?

― Andrew L, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

F******** scholar. An insult I cannot even start to work out. Nine letters beginning with F? I wish I had paid more attention to Countdown Conundrums. Don't be so fuckarsed scholar? Doesn't work.

Fuckflaps, fuckwidge?

Of course perfect example of removing the idea of the animal from the food is calling it beef, bacon, pork, venison and so on. Have you ever seen cow or pig on a menu?

― Pete, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Damn right Laetitia - isn't there that bit in 'Gazon Maudit' where Victoria Abril and Josiane Balasko giggle about the various meanings of 'la touffe'? heh heh heh heh.

― Will, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

cows and pigs are both num in Goa!

― katie, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes Katie, in England too.

― Sarah, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ACTUALLY what about ZEBRA? According to WALKING WITH BEASTS last night our ANCESTORS whot had brains of chimps liked to eat zebra. Would you eat zebra? I would.

― Sarah, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I ate puffin in Iceland, at least that's what they said it was, a tour guide I told was shocked at this and someone later told me they were endangered (not sure if this is true) which made me feel a bit guilty. It was nummy though.

― Emma, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

did you eat putrefied shark too? I'm intrigued as to how that tastes, unfortunately I am going home now and will not find out til Monday, ho hum

― chris, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

but Sarah, cows and pigs are not generally sacred and/or unclean in England! (actually, the unclean bit... i met some pretty reekin' cows in India!) Goa is a Portuguese colony and therefore Catholic - i was just nitpicking at Pete, jeez... :)

― katie, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it helps to soften em up right before you break their little neckses

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't think i'm going to look at that link thanks all the same Tracer! :)

― katie, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I wrote "certain parts of India" and then changed it for pedntry reasons. Gah! But I'd take you up on pigs being not being "unclean" in England. They are the archetypal dirty animal - so much so that kids say "actually bigs are very clean" when being accused of living like pigs for leaving their pants on the floor - like once in five years at college. Trust my parents to come round the morning I had the big essay on rubbidge old Locke.

Its not that cows are unclean, its that they are sacred (kosher is all about unclean I agree).

― Pete, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I never ate rotten shark meat or even sheep's head and was assured by the Icelandic folk that young people don't eat that stuff, it's strictly for the older generation. Great relief ensued.

― Emma, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There is something quite satisfying about eating an animal which can eat you like shark. I bet shark cinemas show a version of Jaws withe humans. Probably called "Rods" - Just When You Though It Was Safe To Go Near Some Nylon With A Hook On The End Of It.

― Pete, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What a puffin is? I read 'penguin', which I thought they only are found in the South Hemisphere, however, are they also found in Iceland? I should have watched more nature documentaries at age 9

― Laetitia, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

cows = sacred for hindus, pigs = unclean for Muslims, isn't that it? and, er, tofu = sacreligious for carnivores. mmm, sacrelicious...

― katie, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A puffin is a penguin for children.

― RickyT, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I brought some putrified shark back from iceland and opened it in a pub in reading. I can tell you it smelt like nothing you have ever smelt before. I think half the pub cleared out just from opening the jar for 5 seconds. Two people did eat a chunk in return for a pint being bought, but I don't think it touched their mouth so I'm unable to report on how it tasted.

― Steve.n., Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Once again.

Manbeef!

― Brian MacDonald, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Please, please tell me that site is a joke...I mean, I'm sure it must be, but....urph....ullpf...

― Phil, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know if that Manbeef site is a joke or not, but as a youngster I had the privilege of dining on the carcasses of schoolyard enemies. My father is a very powerful man and I sometimes do wonder if I abused his influence. One particularly odious young man, little Ricky Polmont, definitely deserved it though. He put paste in my hair and hood of my jacket, and I eventually gobbled down his left asscheek, which was surprisingly sinewy for his age, with tortilla and sake. WASSUP NOW, BEYAAAAAAAAAATCH?

― Brittany Brooke Breitenmoser, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It isn't ok to eat them here because we have a great selections of meat we can buy. Besides, they are pets! In different cultures though, they have no choice other than eat cats & dogs. You may think though... Why don't these folks eat the cows that are walking around. The truth is in some places cows are sacred, therefore.....

― Gale Deslongchamps, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, Manbeef is a joke. More's the pity. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

...and to think, I was planning a romantic candlelight dinner of manburger casserole with a side of mom's manbeef stew (and I'm only half kidding. 3/4 kidding? Hm)

― Honda, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

With regard to earlier posts, I don't separate animals from the meat they so kindly produce for my consumption. Whenever militant veggies remind me that what I'm about to eat was once a Living Breathing Animal (tm) I point out that I'm quite aware of this, and if I was about to eat a stillborn I'd send the bloody stuff back to the kitchen with much gruntle.

I'd quite happily eat dog. I'm not sure I'd eat cat - they're vermin, no better than rats.

As for human flesh, I'm looking forward to it. At some point in the future I'm sure I shall lose at least part of a limb in a bike accident or equivalent thereof, and when I do, I'm going to barbecue whatever's cut off and eat it ceremoniously. All are invited to partake, if there's enough to go round (I may wish to put a few steaks in the freezer, like).

― ogden, Sunday, 9 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I try to only eat things that I would be prepared to kill myself. I only know how to kill chickens and chicken related things, ie, most birds. However, I am prepared to kill pigs. Ham. Ham. Ham. Also, fish. They're so easy to extinguish.

― alix, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

people should eat dogs and cats. they're pests and eating them seems like a good way of keeping their population down. unfortunately its illegal here due to our institutionalised racism.

― hamish, Tuesday, 11 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh look, it's controversial hamish. i thought i'd find you here!

― katie, Tuesday, 11 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hey Katie, i'm not interested in being controversial, i just happen to live in new zealand where wild dogs and cats going round killing all our lizards, kiwis and other native birds. you're allowed to kill cats and dogs here but not eat them, even if you're from Korea.

― hamish, Tuesday, 11 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess I'll be cancelling my trip to New Zealand.....

― Honda, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry, Hamish, i was in fired-up bad mood yesterday. and i warn ya'll, today i have a filthy stinking hangover so am not likely to be a bundle of joy. ahem. anyway, so are these wild cats and dogs native or introduced? cos if they're native i guess well, that's what cats and dogs do - they are predators after all. if they're introduced it's a different matter i suppose. obviously i wouldn't want them culled but i suppose needs must and all that. i have done a lot of supposing, haven't i? am off to obtain water for my parched throat.

― katie, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

introduced.

― hamish, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

erm sorry i have just written an extrememly large rant on the veggies and vegans thread. watch the hippy get irked! etc...

― katie, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...

REVIVE so I can make the pussy-eating joke that Ptee chickened out on.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

What is it? Is it really funny?

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

It is:

"I don't know about you, but I LUUUUUUV eating pussy!"

So no, it isn't really funny. In fact, it isn't funny so much as it is sad and attention-seeking.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 17 January 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

Since the Prince's admission, Danish newspapers have reopened their files on a royal dachshund that disappeared from Amalienborg palace

― Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

I don't give a fuck about animals. Eat 'em all, if that is what it takes to feed the world.
Bitches who cry because some poor fuck is barbecuing a couple of cats and dogs to feed his family can kiss my funky ass.
Throw horses into the mix too since they have some really tasty flesh.

― Esteban Does Not Have A Small Dick (Esteban Does Not Have A Small), Thursday, 4 May 2006 06:24 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, lets rip the earth to pieces then fuck off to another planet and do the same. humans rule!

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 4 May 2006 08:12 (nineteen years ago)

"I love to stroke your coat and to see how it shines/ You dear, you special dog..../ You receive me with papal pride."

Em, I'm not entirely sure that his eating them is the real problem here.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 4 May 2006 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

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