ROBT. WILLIAMS PAINTINGS

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― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

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― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

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― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

i always thought they were kinda dorky to be honest.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Let me guess: JUXTAPOZ likes him.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

what's wrong with dorky?

i don't even know what juxtapoz is.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I do. All too well.

TS. Robt. Williams vs. Thomas Kinkade

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

http://www.juxtapoz.com/

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

i like gary panter, joe coleman, pushead, raymond pettibon, spencer tunick - and i could give a fuck what n/a thinks.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

nothing, i think i just associate it too much with neo-rockabilly types (atlanta's LOADED with them) and kozik posters. an unfair association on my part i'm sure.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

i don't like rockabilly.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

yeah see panter and petitbon i'm crazy for. i'm sure it's just some odd hangup of mine stence!

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

there's gonna be a pettibon retrospective at the fuckin' WHITNEY this fall.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

kozik is awful. Juxtapoz tends to have a lot of good stuff in it tho.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

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― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

i agree kozik is pretty bad. never been much interested in him.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

haha my parents voiced some concern over my goo cover poster i had when i was in high school. parents just don't understand.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

in general i like art with text ie. pettibon, ruscha but FUCKING NO WAY barbara kruger ugh.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

hahaha when i was at my most pretentious and least tolerable (let's say 14) i was a HUGE kruger and holzer fan. god i wish i still had my halfassed eigthgrade knockoffs of that stuff.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

I like everyone Hstencil mentioned. I even like Kozik actually. I don't know about Thomas Kincade.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

"let's say 14"

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

i love u blount

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

I even like Kruger actually. Obvious visual art appeals to me for some reason.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

yeah Pettibon's a master of the caption. altho I'm also overly fond of the Situationist detournement style, figures speaking inappropriate dialogue, etc. my problems with Kozik stem largely from him being a lazy appropriater of others' work, and the fact that he returns to the same tired symbols and tropes over and over and over (ie, breasts, guns, cartoon characters - "look Mickey Mouse has an AK-47 and a hard-on, how daring!" = me snoring). Plus he's a bit of reactionary asshole, politics-wise (which I know is neither here nor there in relation to his art but still... it bugs me)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

For some reason I never get tired of the breast trope either.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

i would think the reactionaly asshole politics would have a lot to do with his art.

robt. williams does some of the similar things subject-wise but with 1. better technique 2. better use of color 3. better use of symbolism

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

Uh, hstencil, I didn't say anything derogatory about any of those artists, including Williams. It's difficult for you to care what I think if you don't know what I think.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

Well, that last part isn't really true. But stil.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

R. Crumb's Devil Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one of Kozik's devil girls.

totally agree about Williams. he does traffick in some of the same kind of imagery, but with more depth, more surprises.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Did Kozik do or say something that I missed? I gotta admit I only have the most passing knowledge of his politics (and the couple of times I met him he seemed pretty dorky.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

n/a it's not difficult at all.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

i admit that i find it interesting when people with awful politics make good art.

this does not hold for people with awful politics who make awful art, obv.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

"Did Kozik do or say something that I missed?"

I'm judging by his interview in the Punk Planet Collected Interviews book and the sort of bitchy, posessive way in which he promotes his work (ie, his website the last time I checked which was admittedly quite awhile ago)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

Kozik = Peter Bagge?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

o man don't dis the bagge boy

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

I mean for someone who just lifts wholesale, unaltered panels of Jack Kirby's artwork to be so possessive and money-grubbing about his own work strikes me as highly hypocritical and offensive.

(x-post - haha, I think Bagge is WAAAAAY better than Kozik. Just for that Mike Love "Be True To Your School, Motherfucker" portrait alone...)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

I love'em.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

I like Bagge a lot, but his politics do occassionally venture into the realm of the absolutely cringe-y. Bagge comix >>>>>>>>>>>> Kozik posters obv.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

yeah bagge's somewhat libertarian right?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

That's a bit of an understatement. He does a bunch of comics for Reason.com. He's VERY libertarian.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

he's deep in that whole suck/reason thing.

xpost

― g e o f f (gcannon), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

I agree Bagge's libertarian rants can get kind of boring - I think he often manages to temper that stuff by *actually* being funny. He never forgets to deliver the jokes or sarcasm - see his piece on the Reform Party, where he laments how his own politics are always getting represented and sidelined by nutjobs (why Bagge has never realized that libertarian = nutjob in general is kinda strange)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

his comic on the indy 500 was really perceptive.

― g e o f f (gcannon), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

Juxtapoz is fab, I'm three issues behind because they're like magazine dessert. 'After you finish this issue of The Economist you can read Juxtapoz.'

I like the Juxtapoz art that looks back to medieval and Renaissance painting - Mark Ryden, Renata Palubinskas, etc. Too much skate-rat/weak graffiti (Mass Appeal & Elemental are far superior in their coverage) lately. Robt. Williams himself seems enjoyably cranky but his paintings are too busy and arch (poss. a result of imitators?) for my tastes.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

hey suck weren't crazy libertarians (were they?), they were just really snarky.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

i like mark ryden too.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

xpost lots of staff in common...i can't think of any suck pieces offhand that were as frankly political as reason, but reading reason kind of colors my memory of suck

― g e o f f (gcannon), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

suck also had some crossover with the baffler too, i think. ah, the 90s.

― g e o f f (gcannon), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

the funny thing is that bagge's spiderman was one of the best putdowns of libertarianism i've ever read!

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

ryden reminds me a lot of christine sheilds and dame darcy.

suck also had some crossover with the baffler too, i think. ah, the 90s.

really? cause the baffler sure ain't libertarian.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

i like Williams black/white ink work alot, but not really into his paintings. i have just about every issue of Zap! comix and his work in that medium is just mindblowing.

can't stand Ryden's stuff, but that's due to being oversaturated with his work in school.

― Amon (eman), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

yeah i think i picked up on the baffler tieins more (though did tom frank ever write anything for suck? like maybe he wanted to get a fight on payperview so he though 'fuckit, here's a hundred bucks' and scribbled something on the taco bell chihuahua real quick?).

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

tom frank = way more 30s new liberalism. or at least he thinks so.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

maybe one or two common writers? or maybe it was the hermenaut. i was a clueless bumpkin teenager when this was going on, i don't know...

xpost haha i was totally jealous of "polly esther" back then

― g e o f f (gcannon), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

people keep telling me i need to read 'wtf kansas' but the harper's excerpt didn't really leave me enthused.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

that's why you should read it, blount.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

josh glenn was a feed regular, hermenaut was his deal. he had some feud sorta with dave eggers.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

"slotcar hatebath" is who i was thinking of.

― g e o f f (gcannon), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

ilxor douglas wolk wrote for suck some too.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Let me guess: JUXTAPOZ likes him.
well, that figures. since he started it. or at least edits it.

i like him. he was new and risky and smart. i mean the latter-day rockabilly stylists could never pull an Oscar Wilde in Leadville April 13th 1882, Oscar Wilde hand holding Venus in Wild West

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― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Friday, 15 April 2005 04:24 (twenty years ago)

ugh

― Tyrone Willie Demetrius DeAndre DeShawn (deangulberry), Friday, 15 April 2005 04:36 (twenty years ago)

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