according to the lucky archeologists, the figure still had its most important features intact: a "well-shaped behind" and a "short, but impressive" penis.

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What amazes me most about this article is just how passionately elaborate the different theories are, and just how passionately their supporters defend them based on little evidence.

Fa Fa fa FA, Fa fa Fa fa FA Fa (poop), Saturday, 16 April 2005 05:24 (twenty years ago)

Who invented the incest taboo and the concept of monogamy in marriage?

The incest taboo wasn't invented. It is an intuitive thing which is based on who we grow up with - we are simply not sexually attracted to those who were around us when we were growing up. This even extends to ppl growing up in communes where the kids are all raised together....they are frequently not sexually attracted to one another when they reach adolescence.

as for the concept of monogamy in marriage - yes, that *was* invented, almost certainly multiple times in lots of different socieites and it was probably invented as a practical measure to prevent fighting. Try if you will to visualise an "anything goes" society when ppl are constantly having sex with multiple parties in public view and how much more angry and jealous it would make ppl. There'd be constant fights! The basic survival needs of finding food and defending the tribe against wild animals etc would simply not be possible with all the squabbling going on.

There was another article I saw recently which posited the some would say heretical view that humans aren't the only animals with morality at all and that more and more ethological studies are showing that non-human primates have morality in rudimentary form. so asking who 'invented' morality is a non-question - no-one had to invent it coz the evolution of our brains meant it was just there. The key difference is that we can describe how we feel using language, which has aided the development of more complete moral codes , just as it has aided the devlopment of so many aspects of civilization.

MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 16 April 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

Hurrah for archaeologists!

The incest taboo wasn't invented.

It's not quite as simplistic as this. There is no universal incest taboo. All current societies have incest taboos of *some* kind, but their definitions of incest vary wildly.* Saying that someone must have invented incest is an extremely simplistic approach to the question "why is there such a variety in observed incest taboos throughout the world?"

* the example I was given in anthropology class at university: in England, it's illegal to have sex with your sibling, child, parent, blood aunt or blood uncle, but not anyone else (on incest grounds). In Scotland - at least, this is what we were taught - it's incest to have sex with your uncle-by-marriage, but not incest to have sex with your illigitimate son.

caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 16 April 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

Try if you will to visualise an "anything goes" society when ppl are constantly having sex with multiple parties in public view and how much more angry and jealous it would make ppl.

This is circular logic. In an "anything goes" society, why would anybody have cause to be angry or jealous?

I'm sure the development of exclusive sexual relationships has multiple causes, but the theory that monogamy is an extension of property-ownership has a lot of weight. Women always know who their children are - Men can never be completely certain - Once human beings have acquired surpluses of property which can be left to children, Men try to enforce a social system that ensures their own children will inherit. I'm simplifying wildly (from Engels amongst others) but this explanation makes intuitive sense.

Failin Husky (noodle vague), Saturday, 16 April 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

The incest taboo wasn't invented. It is an intuitive thing which is based on who we grow up with - we are simply not sexually attracted to those who were around us when we were growing up. This even extends to ppl growing up in communes where the kids are all raised together....they are frequently not sexually attracted to one another when they reach adolescence.

Sorry, this is BS. There was an episode of Dream On where Martin wants to jump his cousin, and then his grandma tells him that she used to want to jump him.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 16 April 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

People would still get angry and jealous in that kind of society, Failin!

MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 16 April 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

But what fertility festival was being celebrated when the statues were broken? Ethnic groups in Africa were known to have copulated in corn fields to encourage the crops to grow.

This custom should be revived.

... how passionately their supporters defend them based on little evidence.

Like the 32 000 year-old phallic objects -- some think they're dildos, some think they're ritual deflowering tools. Wha? How are they arguing these theories?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 16 April 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

I can only imagine the "tastes great!!!"/"less filling"-style arguments that take place at archeology conferences about this stuff.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 16 April 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

So what did Homo Erectus do when he became aroused?

I wonder how long the author had the word "erect" instead of "aroused" before he stopped giggling and knuckled under.

nickn (nickn), Saturday, 16 April 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

So what did Homo Erectus do when he became aroused?

http://www.dissensus.com/image.php?u=107&dateline=1113577607

latebloomer: strawman knockdowner (latebloomer), Saturday, 16 April 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

heh "sorry"

latebloomer: strawman knockdowner (latebloomer), Saturday, 16 April 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

OMG! That's my new avatar image right there!
I just downloaded the new Nails album and it goes perfectly to the beat of "All The Love In The World"!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 16 April 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

Disturbingly, I'm listening to that song right now and it TOTALLY DOES.

adam (adam), Sunday, 17 April 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)


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