IlXors: Are YOU a Neocon?

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http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/quiz/neoconQuiz.html

Ok, so it may be a little pointless. But fun, too, right? Also, I'd be interested to see some opinons from overseas on these questions.

I'm a "Liberal" by the way. Why do I hate America™?

dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

I love how "realist" is an ideology. what a load of bullshit.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 20 April 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

[ Results are not scientific. ]

kingfish, Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

realist = libreals we like?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

it would be funnier if "bullying asshole" was also an ideological option.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

i got liberal

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

Wow, I'm an isolationist. Who knew?

adam (adam), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

liberal

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

I read through all of the answers first, then checked off all of the liberal ones. 14 years on and I still take multiple-choice tests like they're the SAT.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

There was no socialist set of answers.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

realist.

see? i'm no hippie!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

I'm a liberal. ICK!

jill schoelen is the queen of my dreams! (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm a liberal! I thought I would be an isolationist!

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm a liberal.

I don't know if I'd think of Theodore Roosevelt as a neoconservative though.

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

Realist

Realists…

Are guided more by practical considerations than ideological vision
Believe US power is crucial to successful diplomacy - and vice versa
Don't want US policy options unduly limited by world opinion or ethical considerations
Believe strong alliances are important to US interests
Weigh the political costs of foreign action
Believe foreign intervention must be dictated by compelling national interest

Historical realist: President Dwight D. Eisenhower
Modern realist: Secretary of State Colin Powell

this is pretty accurate wr2 my entire political outlook, not just wr2 foreign policy.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Me too. And I don't really think I'm that liberal.

Leon Future Coffee (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

liberals and isolationists = ALL HIPPIES.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Hey!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

(Actually I have no idea what I would be according to this thing, I started reading the quiz, thought all the answers were horrifying talking points and left.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

I think Teddy as a neocon is kind of stretching it, I also think me as a liberal is kind of stretching it

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

My post didn't x-post properly for some reason, but I was a liberal in that quiz.

Leon Future Coffee (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Tombot, it must be because you're letting ethics get in the way of US foreign policy options.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

TOMBOT, a hippie peacenik?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

where do you place yourself, tom?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Libra.

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

as if!

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

I'm a realist

don weiner, Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

I would be more likely to call myself a "realist" according to their little description

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 20 April 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Liberal

I don't know if I'd think of Theodore Roosevelt as a neoconservative though.

OK, for the imperialistic side I'll buy it, though perhaps Polk is a better choice, but they sure don't make neo-cons like they used to, at least not in regard to domestic policy.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

Liberal (but I'm not American anyway)

The Horse of Babylon's Butler (the pirate king), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

"Realist"

David Merryweather (DavidM), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Isolationist, but more than half of the questions didn't have the answers I would really put. My political viewpoints are essentially closest to anarchism only because I think all forms of government are essentially misgovernment and all forms of the State will in some way be corrupt, even though I could cope with socialism.

Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

this quiz must be broken. i can't get it to give me a "pragmatic progressive" result.

kingfish, Wednesday, 20 April 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

im a superstar!

latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

There was this one question I found in this quiz that had two answers that I could agree with equally. I calculated the results using one answer and I got "liberal"; I calculated the results using the other and I got "realist". I'm extremely proud of being a realist (yay Colin Powell!); I don't know how in the world I ever got to being "liberal". Maybe it's from hanging out with you guys for so long. ;)

The Spirit of Sam Endicott (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 21 April 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

(It was the question about China. I found equal sense with the first and last selections.)

The Spirit of Sam Endicott (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 21 April 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

Limousine Liberal

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 April 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

America-Hating Pinko

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 21 April 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

they sure don't make neo-cons like they used to, at least not in regard to domestic policy.

Actually, I find it baffling that this quiz focused on foreign policy, because I'm more inclined to think of domestic issues when I think of neocons.

This quiz isn't too shabby.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 21 April 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

I fell asleep about a third of the way through.

No actually, my problem is that my attitudes toward a lot of these issues changes from day-to-day so I didn't feel comfortable answering some of them.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 21 April 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

flip-flopper!

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

I really am a terrible flip-flopper. I could never run for office.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:02 (twenty years ago)

Colour me pinko, apparently.

Star Cauliflower (Star Cauliflower), Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:47 (twenty years ago)

Sparkling wine liberal

$V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

Realist.

Though I agree w/Ned, many of these responses seemed like rote, pre-digested talking points.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

Hippie-hating liberal.

What do you mean, did I do the test?

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 21 April 2005 10:15 (twenty years ago)

eleven years pass...

you are if yr votin' for hillstory

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:07 (nine years ago)

shut the fuck up dude

marcos, Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:10 (nine years ago)

vote tfu

https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/743414536192032768

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/16/us/politics/obama-and-clinton-differ-on-terror-approach.html

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:19 (nine years ago)

pretty sure we all know that jackass

riverine (map), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:23 (nine years ago)

but it's a relevant point bc this election is between Obama and Clinton

marcos, Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:26 (nine years ago)

th fuck

marcos, Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:26 (nine years ago)

I gotta say morbs is consistent.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:28 (nine years ago)

Bristol chart consistency

oh, amazonaws (wins), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:30 (nine years ago)

Chomsky says you can vote for the Horrible Democrat if yr in a swing state, that's defensible

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:30 (nine years ago)

who are you even talking to. stop yelling at clouds it's not good for your health.

riverine (map), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:32 (nine years ago)

but it's a relevant point bc this election is between Obama and Clinton

lol from the past tho

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/07/26/obama-calls-clinton-like-diplomacy-stance-bush-cheney-light/

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:33 (nine years ago)

Tell us more of the wisdom related to u by the TA in your poli sci class today.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:34 (nine years ago)

Did he lend you his copy of the Howard Zinn book yet or is one of your classmates still having his mind blown by it?

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:35 (nine years ago)

yer confusing me w/ someone who didn't give up on this country in '84, laddie

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:39 (nine years ago)

You do get that probably a very large number of people here agree with you politically, right?

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:49 (nine years ago)

xp could you give up on the topic of this country in 2016 on ilx please

riverine (map), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:53 (nine years ago)

and that even if they don't, it isn't necessary to harangue them every day for months on end.

riverine (map), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:54 (nine years ago)

Nothing persuades like a good harangue.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:58 (nine years ago)

who doesn't like a good lemon harangue

volumetric god rays (DJP), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:00 (nine years ago)

I feel better about morbs coming to ilx to vent his bitter frustrations than his haunting the various comments sections of the web. we are used to him and we are generally a very tolerant and forgiving crew.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:04 (nine years ago)

that's true and it's good to be tolerant and forgiving but it's also good to be real. morbius contributes bile to political threads 95% of the time. every once in a while he might simply drop a link or say something in a neutral tone but that's rare. his contributions add a level of unpleasantness that isn't necessary. not to mention his misogynistic language and inappropriate attacks @ another poster. the three days he was banned from the primary thread were a relief. imo it's time for a more permanent break.

riverine (map), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:16 (nine years ago)

dammit i want a meringue

Terminator Brexit (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:18 (nine years ago)

not to mention his misogynistic language and inappropriate attacks @ another poster

you're delusional

the three days he was banned from the primary thread were a relief.

never happened

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:29 (nine years ago)

Tell us more of the wisdom related to u by the TA in your poli sci class today.

i actually think you kidz who go to every Marvel movie are more like undergrads, OL

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:32 (nine years ago)

that cloud looks like a person who goes to every marvel movie

oculus lump (contenderizer), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:36 (nine years ago)

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2016/06/the-party-left-me-and-other-complaints-of-the-voter-as-atomistic-consumer

Alfred posted this elsewhere, seems relevant

Voting for Johnson, as we’ve discussed, was a classic “lesser evil” vote in the sense that he means it. So was FDR, given the many compromises the New Deal had to make with the white supremacist faction of the party. So was Lincoln, an incrementalist on an issue of the utmost moral urgency. Major progressive reforms are almost always the result of lesser-evil voting and coalition-building, and are virtually never the result of dramatic flounces out of the coalition, as the same-sex marriage movement shows. Did movement conservatives take over the Republican Party by voting third party if they didn’t win? They did not. They try to get their candidates elected in the primaries, they won some and they lost some, but they kept pushing. It’s not complicated, but it works. As a theory of political change, it’s perfectly coherent.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:38 (nine years ago)

I always figured us more for the kids huffing paint fumes in shop class, Morbz.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:40 (nine years ago)

xpost Yes, exactly. I would happily write in Chomsky 4 Prez every four years if the net effect would be anywhere north of nothing.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:42 (nine years ago)

not to mention his misogynistic language and inappropriate attacks @ another poster

you're delusional

the three days he was banned from the primary thread were a relief.

never happened

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, June 16, 2016 6:29 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i could have sworn you were tempbanned from the last primary thread a few months ago, but i can't find it. whatever, it doesn't matter. i'm delusional? you're a gaslighting fucking creep. i'm not going to waste my time searching for instances of your sexist language and attitude because it's "consistent" enough that i don't need to prove my point. your repeated attacks on mordy are nasty, antisemitic garbage posting of the worst degree. i don't think it's really up for debate tbh and i don't think anyone here would argue otherwise. yet here we are, you get to be a faux-sophisticated toxic shit and we all get to forgive you. how edifying.

riverine (map), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:57 (nine years ago)

dissent is a motherfucker

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:09 (nine years ago)

I beg to differ. Dissent can be framed with respect while still containing the essentials of disagreement. Disrespect is a motherfucker.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:30 (nine years ago)

Dr. Morbius, you were definitely thread-banned from the primary thread about three weeks ago in response to a flurry of FPs one day. We later realized that some of those FPs initiated from a post on a different thread, but we left the thread-ban only for the primaries thread. It may have been coincidence that you didn't post to the that thread for a week or so after that? Seems unlikely.

how's life, Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:38 (nine years ago)

Thursday, May 26, 2016 3:26 AM I Love Everything User: we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds has been banned from thread: Conventional Mealy Mouths: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 5 temporarily

oh, amazonaws (wins), Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:38 (nine years ago)

I kind of want to create a chrome extension that alerts me with an audience groan sound every time Morbs revives a random thread with some sharp political point.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:41 (nine years ago)

btw this "cis" white faggot is a misanthrope, "map" -- i hate all equally.

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:45 (nine years ago)

good argument for a ban from the man himself.

riverine (map), Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:53 (nine years ago)

An admission of misanthropy from Morbs is about as revelatory as pronouncing that air is breathable.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:57 (nine years ago)

As I've said elsewhere, I don't believe the threadban function works properly.

pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:00 (nine years ago)

if there's one thing i can't stand it's people who wear their misanthropy / misery on their sleeve in a way that feeds on the sympathy / attention of others, not in the interest of looking for a way out but of creating a codependent dynamic that reinforces it.

riverine (map), Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:12 (nine years ago)

fassssssssscinating

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:18 (nine years ago)

i think you could've found room for a fourth 21st-century Jerkwad Buzzword in there if you tried a leeeetle harder!

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:19 (nine years ago)

serious q: what exactly do you get out of this after more than a decade?

a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:20 (nine years ago)

http://www.viralnovelty.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Energy-Vampire-700x353.jpg

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 22:12 (nine years ago)


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