its grim, up north

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Bolton,
Barnsley,
Nelson,
Colne,
Burnley
Bradford,
Buxton,
Crewe,
Warrington,
Widnes,
Wigan,
Leeds,
Northwich,
Nantwich,
Knutsford,
Hull,
Sale,
Salford,
Southport,
Leigh,
Derby,
Kearsley
Keighley
Maghull,
Harrogate,
Huddersfield,
Oldham, Lancs,
Grimsby,
Glossop,
Hebden Bridge,
Brighouse,
Bootle,
Featherstone,
Speke,
Runcorn,
Rotherham,
Rochdale,
Barrow,
Morecambe,
Macclesfield,
Lytham St. Annes
Clitheroe,
Cleethorpes,
The M62,
Pendlebury,
Prestwich,
Preston,
York,
Skipton,
Scunthorpe,
Scarborough-on-Sea,
Chester,
Chorley,
Cheedle Hulme,
Ormskirk,
Accrington Stanley,
and Leigh,
Ossett,
Otley,
Ikley Moor,
Sheffield,
Manchester,
Castleford,
Skem,
Doncaster,
Dewsbury,
Hali-fax,
Bingley,
Bramall,

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

its kind of silly, bingley? grim? hahaha. but, anyway, how many of these places have you been to?

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

Grimsby

!!!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

I like the grounds of Otley's papermill, but if you spend too long there you will be moved on by security.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

i think i clock in at 42, and have lived in 3 (hull, bradford, brighouse)

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

according to this news article, grimsby DOES seem really grim!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

actually isnt this list crap, im sure it includes shipley, where i have also lived

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

From it's train station, and the brief time I've spent outside the train station, Preston does seem a very grim place. Very cold. There is a nice Mexican restaurant down a side street, though.

Is Hebden Bridge really Britain's lesbian capital?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

it is dom! believe me, everything you have ever heard about hebden bridge is true!

its not grim, at all, again it shouldnt be on this list (especially as grimethorpe is not)

it was lesbian boho stretching way back before the 60s

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

let me just say that again, grimethorpe. this is the most yorkshire name possible

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

i can't remember - i were a wee kid. but i do remember it was a kind of grim town with rows of small brown houses. it had been snowing. there were two men standing apparently looking in a window of a shop. my mum went over to see what they were looking at and turned away quickly, blushing. it was then i saw the steam rising from the snow and realised they were having a piss.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

let me just say that again, grimethorpe. this is the most yorkshire name possible

Surely Heckmondwike, no?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

ah, the whole cleckheaton-gomersall-heckmondwike-liversedge conglomerate

brings back many memories

all of them shit

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

Morecambe's great if, like me, you've come from a hometown that's had a big regeneration project in the past ten years, because you get to see what happens to a town where there's no money for a regen. The bowling alley is particularly 1987-tastic.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

Visited:

Sale
Manchester
Leeds
York
Chester
Scarborough

Lived in:
0

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

Viva Ormskirk!

― A / F#m / Bm / D (Lynskey), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

Been to:

Cleethorpes
Grimsby
Scunthorpe
Scarborough
York
Sheffield

The place I live seems to be about 10 miles too far south to be on the list, but it's pretty grim here too. In the whole of Lincolnshire in fact, not just Grimsby, Scunny and Cleethorpes.

― lupine lupin (lupinelupin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and I've been to Doncaster, Hull, Halifax, I should have read the list properly first time.

― lupine lupin (lupinelupin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 04:11 (twenty years ago)

Visited about half of the list, live in Warrington. Yes it's pretty grim.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 21 April 2005 06:03 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to York tomorrow for the weekend. It certainly isn't grim. I'm considering moving there.

I always thought it a pity that no one ever did a "It's Grimmer Down South" answer record.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 21 April 2005 06:56 (twenty years ago)

Best Techno record almost ever.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:00 (twenty years ago)

according to this news article, grimsby DOES seem really grim!

I live there. It is. That news article was the big front-page headline in yesterday's Grimsby Telegraph.

Places in the song that I've lived in: just Grimsby and Cleethorpes. Places I've visited:

Barnsley
Bradford
Wigan
Leeds
Hull
Salford
Derby
Keighley
Glossop
Clitheroe
The M62
York
Scunthorpe
Scarborough
Sheffield
Manchester
Castleford
Doncaster

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

Tysersal Laisterdyke is very Yorkshire

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

(and now I'm intrigued as to where Lupine lives. Louth? Lincoln? Horncastle?)

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

Preston is so grim that Martin Carr spent a whole Boo Radleys album moaning about having to live there.

Keighley is pretty grim but the retro railway station is nice and it's only five miles away from Haworth and Bronte country and all that.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

Anyone noticed the preponderance for towns begining with B on a similar latitute?

Beverley, Barnsley, Bradford, Bingley, Bolton, Bury, Blackburn,

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

Bury, Blackburn...is this is a subliminal message to slaughter veteran DJs?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:06 (twenty years ago)

Keighley = nasty race politics, at least in the past couple of years.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

Live in Preston at the moment, ok for a smallish city. Moving to York in October. Have visited about a quarter of the list.

― AdrianB (AdrianB), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:21 (twenty years ago)

Visited:

Bradford,
Crewe,
Warrington,
Leeds,
Derby,
Harrogate,
Macclesfield,
The M62,
York,
Scarborough-on-Sea,
Ikley Moor (bah't'at),
Sheffield,
Manchester,
Doncaster,
Hali-fax,
Bingley,

Me muther's frum Sheffild.

Harrogate, York and Leeds are by no means grim. It's posh up North Yorks.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:22 (twenty years ago)

I've been to:

Bolton,
Bradford,
Buxton,
Crewe,
Warrington,
Leeds,
Knutsford,
Salford,
Harrogate,
Huddersfield,
Grimsby,
Brighouse,
Macclesfield,
Cleethorpes,
The M62,
Preston,
York,
Skipton,
Scunthorpe,
Scarborough-on-Sea,
Chester,
Cheadle Hulme,
Sheffield,
Manchester,
Castleford,
Doncaster,
Hali-fax,

And of those, the grimmest was Castleford.

Lived in: York.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:06 (twenty years ago)

Places I've been:
Bolton,
Nelson,
Colne,
Burnley
Bradford,
Buxton,
Crewe,
Warrington,
Wigan,
Leeds,
Sale,
Salford,
Southport,
Derby,
Keighley
Huddersfield,
Oldham, Lancs,
Grimsby,
Hebden Bridge,
Brighouse,
Speke,
Runcorn,
Morecambe,
Lytham St. Annes
Clitheroe,
The M62,
Pendlebury,
Preston,
York,
Scarborough-on-Sea,
Chester,
Chorley,
Ormskirk,
Ikley Moor,
Sheffield,
Manchester,
Skem,
Hali-fax,
Bramall,

I've lived in Chorley, and my sister's lived in Chester and Runcorn too.

I wouldn't like to say which was the grimmest - some I haven't been to for over 15 years, and I guess it depends on the season and the weather.

― Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:14 (twenty years ago)

Crewe (only stopped at on passing train)
Leeds,
Northwich (passed through)
Salford
Derby
Harrogate
The M62
York
Scarborough-on-Sea,
Sheffield (passed through)
Manchester,
Doncaster (passed through)

also:
Pickering (quite nice)
Whitehaven (bit grim)
Whitby (nice)

are any of the towns or mentioned in 'It's Grim Up North' in Teeside, Durham or Tyneside? Couldn't The JAMMS have gone further North? Did they just bottle it?

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:27 (twenty years ago)

I am aware of the ironing in that statement.

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

are any of the towns or mentioned in 'It's Grim Up North' in Teeside, Durham or Tyneside?

No.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

Which place in the list is the southernmost?

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

Tyneside doesn't really count as 'North' even though it is very North. I think of it as an odd bit of Scotland. Teeside is a giant chemical works.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:31 (twenty years ago)

Glossop is furthest south?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:32 (twenty years ago)

Nah - Glossop's about level with Manchester. I'd say Macclesfield, or somewhere else in Cheshire.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:34 (twenty years ago)

Buxton might be further south than Mac.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:37 (twenty years ago)

Having looked at a map: it's very close between Macclesfield and Buxton, but Crewe is a long way south of either.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

... but the definitive answer, I think, is Nantwich, a couple of miles further south.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

What do people here consider the northernmost town in the South/southernmost town in the North?

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

What do people here consider the northernmost town in the South

Milton Keynes

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

Bolton,
Barnsley
Nelson
Colne
Burnley
Bradford
Crewe
Warrington
Wigan
Leeds
Northwich
Hull
Sale
Salford
Southport
Kearsley
Keighley
Harrogate
Huddersfield
Oldham, Lancs
Hebden Bridge,
Brighouse
Speke
Rochdale,
Morecambe,
Macclesfield,
Lytham St. Annes
Clitheroe
The M62
Pendlebury
Prestwich
Preston
York
Skipton
Scarborough-on-Sea,
Chester,
Chorley
Cheedle Hulme
Ormskirk
Sheffield
Manchester
Castleford
Doncaster
Hali-fax

Lived - Rochdale, well, Heywood, (near junction 19 of the M62) and Lancaster.

Just going through the list makes me realise how much I really don't like West and South Yorkshire and East Lancs. Those milltown yellow stone terraced streets hewn into places that really aren't the best places to live, geographically and geologically speaking.

xpost - There's an argument that the North begins at the Manchester Ship Canal. There's another one that counts Nottingham and Derby nand such like as Northern. I'd don't count Staffordshire as the North, and Cheshire, whilst Northern, is just Surrey-manque, so Merseyside, Manchester, Lancs, West and South Yorks are my dividing line. That would make Sheffield the most southerly northern Town, and Chesterfield the most northern southern town.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

I live norther. Bunch of jessies.

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

if i were ever to run for public office i would campaign on a platform that once i got in i'd immediately find a way to saw the whole of yorkshire off the side of the british mainland and set it adrift.

― stelfox, Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

I am a soft southern poof, as I have only been to:

Warrington
Bolton
Chorley
Manchester
The M62

And I've never lived further north than Coventry.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

Deep-fried Mars bar with that saucer of milk Madchen? ;)

Actually, no I think I'll eat it myself, num num...

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

Stockholm's not grim

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

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oh yeah thats what i was thinking of

― turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:45 (thirteen years ago)

"cheers," as they say in your country

― turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:45 (thirteen years ago)

"mate"

― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:46 (thirteen years ago)

It's Grim Oop North

― earth of (snoball), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:54 (thirteen years ago)

It's Grim, Oppa Northern Style

― earth of (snoball), Thursday, 3 January 2013 23:54 (thirteen years ago)

xp to hungry4ass - that would be "ta"

― ogmor, Friday, 4 January 2013 00:42 (thirteen years ago)

Get down't Dewsbury market and get yer'sen a box of broken biscuits lad.

― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 4 January 2013 01:17 (thirteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_Nice_Up_North

― the definite listicle (seandalai), Friday, 4 January 2013 01:19 (thirteen years ago)

How can you say it's grim up north with pictures like this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2256796/Rows-boarded-terraced-houses-Accrington-brought-life-10m-revamp.html

― not_goodwin, Friday, 4 January 2013 01:25 (thirteen years ago)

What about pictures like this?

[img]http://www.peakdistrictonline.co.uk/images/ah-image1_kinder_stones.jpg[img]

― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 4 January 2013 01:36 (thirteen years ago)

Love it up Kinder Scout, was in Edale the other week, plan to walk along the tops if it ever stops raining. Starting at sunrise and finish with watching sunset. Nothing grim up north about that.

― not_goodwin, Friday, 4 January 2013 01:52 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.citylife.co.uk/img/12019/17014_490250_firedamaged_panacea.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__ecYQ0ZydAA/TSxRJQT4mRI/AAAAAAAAAx4/RdGYuHZ4MJU/s400/DJQ.jpg

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c0.21.403.403/p403x403/318560_10152377029720006_1613004091_n.png

http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20070308&t=2&i=450263&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=450263

― ogmor, Friday, 4 January 2013 02:02 (thirteen years ago)

five months pass...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Yorkshire_NF.jpg

― ghosts of erith spectral crackhouse slain rudeboy (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 20:18 (twelve years ago)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/12/article-2340116-1A460F99000005DC-711_634x403.jpg

http://i3.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article4305605.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/cave-pic-4305605.jpg

― ogmor, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 21:50 (twelve years ago)

Which building is that in the background to the BNP march? It is a post '75 photo because that is the year Huddersfield/Bradford Building Societies merged, but there are still lots of flares. I love the way these concrete buildings looked just as prematurely aged and degrading to the human spirit in the 70's, relatively not that long after they were built.

― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 22:31 (twelve years ago)

Looks like Bradford, but I am not sure.

― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 22:32 (twelve years ago)

yeah i am drawn to that corrugated concrete

― ghosts of erith spectral crackhouse slain rudeboy (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 22:35 (twelve years ago)

Description
English: National Front march in Yorkshire, Great Britain. 1970s.
Date 1970s
Source Own work
Author White Flight

― ghosts of erith spectral crackhouse slain rudeboy (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 22:36 (twelve years ago)

white flight doesnt seem to have the greatest memory

― ghosts of erith spectral crackhouse slain rudeboy (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 22:38 (twelve years ago)

Was the St George cross as big a thing back then?

― Lectures of Pelé (Michael White), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 22:42 (twelve years ago)

the North in many respects is a state of mind

― Roobarb and Custos (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, December 12, 2012 1:47 AM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 22:45 (twelve years ago)

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=bradford+uk&hl=en&ll=53.795353,-1.741633&spn=0.011863,0.032058&sll=40.697488,-73.979681&sspn=0.489355,0.977783&hnear=Bradford,+West+Yorkshire,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=53.795603,-1.758098&panoid=0rkqtxlAq64odOdrXt6hVw&cbp=12,268.27,,0,-9.22

I think this is the streetview of the National Front photograph

― roy, Thursday, 13 June 2013 00:35 (twelve years ago)

roy you are a prince

― ghosts of erith spectral crackhouse slain rudeboy (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 13 June 2013 00:39 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MqQEii2yFFY/UWBXt1oAbpI/AAAAAAAADWs/jr_KUZgfBFs/s640/expose_API_17.JPG

― the most promising US ilxor has thrown the TOWEL IN (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Saturday, 13 July 2013 00:29 (twelve years ago)

lol that's amazing.

― Fizzles, Saturday, 13 July 2013 00:53 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

i don't know why i'm a magnet for lost drunky boys but i wish them bon voyage and i'm sorry for running away on the sly from the last one

― Dacca to Environ (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 24 August 2013 02:23 (twelve years ago)

five months pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfE9T5HCUAAH6EJ.jpg

― ogmor, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 13:08 (twelve years ago)

did this guy appear on the freemen thread?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aeu-xX3-hdw

― soref, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 14:06 (twelve years ago)

i don't think so, but he should of

― Squidward Ka-Spel (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 14:08 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYMXyeg2Ot8

― soref, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 14:09 (twelve years ago)

quite enjoyed scholeshenge

― ogmor, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 14:34 (twelve years ago)

a lament for England

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyUWsr-ltps

― soref, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 14:40 (twelve years ago)

I know these are opinions people will have heard enough times already, but they take on this odd poignancy when being delivered by a maudlin looking guy alone in his back garden, taking into a camera phone, imo

― soref, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 14:47 (twelve years ago)

and the segue from 'we used to rule the world' to complaining that he got barred from a comedy club for telling racist jokes is kind of spectacular

― soref, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 14:49 (twelve years ago)

yeah, it's more poignant for being so familiar, that huge well of collective sadness & disenfrachisement that ppl teeter on the edge of

― ogmor, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 15:33 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

I only found this because I googled 'rodney'

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Rodney-Kray-Gang-poured-boiling-water-threatened/story-20827401-detail/story.html

A MAN says he was attacked and had boiling water poured over him by a gang threatening to gouge out his eyes. Rodney Kray – who changed his name in honour of the Only Fools and Horses character Rodney Trotter and the notorious Kray Twins – was attacked by three men in a neighbour's flat in Woodbine Close, west Hull, on October 20 last year.

― soref, Saturday, 22 March 2014 08:49 (twelve years ago)

Mr Kray, who has the Kray twins' faces tattooed on his back, was earlier asked why he had taken their name.
"They used to look after people, pay people's rent," he said.
"What, by killing them?" asked Paul Genney, Mr Macnamara's barrister.
"Well I don't admire that so much," said Mr Kray.

― soref, Saturday, 22 March 2014 08:50 (twelve years ago)

seven months pass...

http://i.imgur.com/rpt8RUH.jpg

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/photographing-strangeways-prison-1980-228

― the ﬁnal twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 14:21 (eleven years ago)

six months pass...

the strangeways documentary is good

― LMAO. GOLD Chrisso. regards, REB (nakhchivan), Saturday, 2 May 2015 02:34 (ten years ago)

i went to Brighouse the other week, i shd've taken my camera. it was v. much the North.

― contendo conformo (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 May 2015 08:38 (ten years ago)

hell of a lot of mid-range sports cars/Beemers being driven quickly and thoughtlessly. saw 3 near-misses in the space of half an hour.

― contendo conformo (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 May 2015 08:39 (ten years ago)

three years pass...

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/line-18-staggering-figures-lay-bare-deadly-divide-between-north-and-south-11388970

― ogmor, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 09:44 (seven years ago)

it could be worse, we could live in the south

― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:15 (seven years ago)

I'm going to Leeds in August. O God, why have you forsaken me?

― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:18 (seven years ago)

I'd take dying from self abuse over slowly choking on carcinogenic fumes in a £600 a week bedsit for an extra 8 years anyday!

― calzino, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:21 (seven years ago)

they seem to have as many homeless on the city centre streets as in London these days, so you'll feel at home, Tom.

― calzino, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:23 (seven years ago)

tbf Leeds is shit

― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:29 (seven years ago)

the pubs are shit these days as well, it's a soulless, loveless shithole.

― calzino, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:31 (seven years ago)

and that's a quote from the tourist board

― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:34 (seven years ago)

they seem to have as many homeless on the city centre streets as in London these days, so you'll feel at home, Tom.

Same all over :(

― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 11:00 (seven years ago)

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