Does anyone know: why did David Horowitz become such a dick?

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So there's this new anti-Chomsky book, Anti-Chomsky, that David Horowitz edited. Once again there's the (for me, at least) interesting bit about David Horowitz's flip-flopping, as described by Reason Magazine:

"The Anti-Chomsky Reader is a polemical broadside intended to slam Chomsky into oblivion. Reviewing his career and ideas, the discussion reaches back to the 1960s and his anti-war activism, then moves to the Cold War, the media, Israel, the Holocaust, 9/11, and, finally, Chomsky’s linguistics. The editors, Peter Collier and David Horowitz, are active intellectuals in the Republican Party: Collier is the publisher of Encounter Books, a conservative press in San Francisco, and Horowitz, the editor of FrontPageMag.com, is a prolific writer who courts confrontation with the left. Other contributors also are experienced culture warriors. They include Ronald Radosh, a former Communist and SDS member who steered rightward after he researched the Rosenberg case and found evidence of guilt; Eli Lehrer, a former editor at American Enterprise magazine; and Stephen Morris, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Institute and long-serving anti-communist scholar.

"Their aim is to topple Chomsky’s standing—-a task easier to conceive than to complete. Chomsky’s unyielding anticapitalism tempts many critics into an equally strident anti-Chomskyism. The temptation is particularly strong for Collier and Horowitz, who have complex personal histories dating back to their days editing Ramparts, a leading leftist magazine in the 1960s and early ’70s. Now staunch conservatives, they have renounced their former comrades, especially icons such as Chomsky."

No one ever says why he became such a dick; I'm always seeing this vague "complex personal history" business. I'm curious, in case anybody knows.

Mayor Maynot, Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

Stephen Morris, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Institute and long-serving anti-communist scholar. I knew that bastard was up to something.

Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)

they had started to get on each other's nerves when chomsky wouldn't leggo horiwitz's eggo one morning. the rift would only grow deeper.

latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

dunno the details or dates but the black panthers murdered a friend of his.

g e o f f (gcannon), Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

Horowitz's parents were radicals - he describes them as Stalinists, he followed the same politics as a youth. That kind of explains his current persona and transformation - he was a nutter on the left and became a jackass nutter on the right.

It's amusing how his transformation mirrors the neo-cons, except he started from his parents Stalinism rather than Trotsky.

BTW, he only claims that the Black Panthers murdered a friend of his - the crime is actually unsolved and there's no hard evidence that she was whacked.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 21 April 2005 03:38 (twenty years ago)

Daria OTFM.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 21 April 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...
"Unfortunately, as a nation we have become so trapped in the melodrama of black victimization and white oppression that we are in danger of losing all sense of proportion. If blacks are oppressed in America, why isn't there a black exodus? Why do all those black Haitians want to come here? To be oppressed?"

can someone deconstruct the logic used here???

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

If Rodney King had obeyed the orders clearly given and had laid down in a 'prone position' on the night of his famous encounter with Los Angeles police, 58 people would be alive today, $16 billion would be circulating in the economy and four dedicated LAPD officers who were working to the book that night would not have been forced to endure two trials (the first had acquitted them) and had their careers destroyed to appease the liberal conscience. But liberals had to make their point.

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

there is no logic in that one

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

i thought this thread was going to talk about the guy who hosted 'FIGHT BACK!'. maybe he's a dick too.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

...and don't let ANYONE rip YOU off!

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

the $16 billion seems arbitrary

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

also its pretty funny that a guy who was down with 60s panthers assumes that rioting was invented in 1992 to respond to the rodney king verdict and that black folks in LA had no other reasons for discontent

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

also that If Rodney King had obeyed the orders clearly given has any relation to But liberals had to make their point.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

$16 billion would be circulating in the economy
This makes absolutely no sense. What happened to it?

adam (adam), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

rodney king was following orders from james carville

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

im debating if i should start a new thread for the complaints section of horowitz's 'students for academic freedom' website

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/comp/viewComplaint.asp?complainId=370

This complaint applies to the discriminating nature of grading of my English teacher. She knows I'm an advancer of conservative ideas b/c I where a 'W' t-shirt to class on sometimes. Ever since the 1st day of class when I wore my 'W' shirt she has treated me cold and been discriminating in grading my essays. On the last one, I wrote about how family values in the books weve read aren't good. I know the paper was pretty much great because I spell checked it and proofred it twice. I got an D- just because the professor hates families and thinks its okay to be gay.

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

the thing i always heard about Horowitz was that the guy is a born asshole, and went to whatever side best enables his assholeness over the decades. that's how you go from violent late '60s radicalism to '90s neo-con radical.

for even more fun bits, remember all the anti-university legislation he tried to get Republicans to push thru the Ohio state gov't? About how students didn't have to discuss "controversial" topics about their "indoctrinaire" professors? i think i posted a thread about it here...

xpost: exactly!

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

here we go: Conservative State Senator in Ohio Submits Legislation to Limit "Controversial" Classroom Topics

big thing he was behind

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/comp/viewComplaint.asp?complainId=399

Dr. Colburn attacked my beliefs in Jesus for a third time, citing Karl Marx as the "one true truth-bearer." He disallowed me from praying before class and often ate cheese-puffs instead of lecturing us on Military Histories. He quoted many writings of the Chinese like Sun Tzu and Mao Zse Dung. I was graded unfairly for my beliefs when I wrote a paper on King David and his military prowess. Dr. Colburn attacked my sources, claiming the bible was "not an accurate historical document"

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

My husband as a journalist had to spend far too much time with this guy. From what I can tell he was always a dick -- an extremist on the left then, an extremist on the right now, with no core principles or commitment, simply addicted to the extreme-ness of it. I don't think he is a complete ideological opportunist -- I think he pretty much believes what he says -- but there is a hollow-ness there somewhere.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

Wait, this *isn't* about the Fight Back guy???

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

also, he's always fun when the local College Republicans bring him to your campus

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

I know the paper was pretty much great because I spell checked it and proofred it twice

Oh come on, you have to spell check a paper at least three times before it's great.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

proofred!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

i mentioned this on ilx years ago (and got props from amatuerist haha) but the only book ive ever destroyed was horowitz's on affirmative action, torn in half and thrown in the dumpster and i STILL felt like a nazi!

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

oh man, i remember when i was in junior year AP English class and we had to read T.S. Eliot's "The Spellchecking Of J. Alfred Proofred"

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

My husband as a journalist had to spend far too much time with this guy. From what I can tell he was always a dick -- an extremist on the left then, an extremist on the right now

Yeah, that's always been my feeling about him. Like, he was a left-wing asshole, and then he turned right-wing and said, "Hey, I was a real asshole when I was a left-winger," not realizing that his assholishness existed a priori, or at least was extraneous to, his ideology. Anyway, the man has some serious persecution complex going. His whole thing about how oppressed conservative students are by the acadmic politburo is just completely bizarre.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

as lefties turned neo-cons go hes not really much of an academic compared to hitchens or that other dude

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Dr. Colburn attacked my sources, claiming the bible was "not an accurate historical document"

Of all the nerve!

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

Spencer - it caught me off guard too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz_%28disambiguation%29

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

haha i really do recommend that site, tho it can be tedious its fun to look up schools you know and comments about right wing professors that horowitz has to post in order to maintain his front of impartiality

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Wait, this *isn't* about the Fight Back guy???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

I was hoping someone would post this.

I don't think so, Spencer. :)

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

Rob Bolton mentioned it first!

I think this is what changed him:
http://www.fightback.com/images/photos/gunman.jpg

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA, HOLY SHIT! I forgot about that!

I just remember when "Fight Back" was just part of a segment of the local news, then it became this TV show, with this fully produced muzaky intro that I can't get out of my head. I can still hear the divas going "FIGHT... BACK!" in my head. Horowitz would run out onto the platform, and make his excitedly moribund delivery about his mission to NOT LET CONSUMERS BE RIPPED OFF BY BAD PRODUCTS! I loved this David Horowitz.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

yall take that to another thread

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

This is hilarious, someone posted a complaint to bait the site moderators!


On the first day of class, Dr. Kulbicki informed us he would not be teaching Karl Marx because Marx is "becoming increasingly irrelevant." Dr. Kulbicki proceeded to teach Straussian interpretations of every philosopher, and exam questions were designed so as to make students argue these points. Additionally, Dr. Kulbicki has expressed on a repeated basis his disregard for international law (in a Political Theory class?) and has made such comments as "the UN is irrelevant."

mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

That comments section is far too entertaining.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

dude i mentioned that already!! this is my favorite

Description of Complaint (please be as detailed as possible, including quotes from your professor where applicable):

Dr. Bullock was extremely vocal about his political views. He constantly ridiculed the President. He actually brought in a Congressman into our large class of approximately 300 students, and he allowed the Congressman to spend the ENTIRE class bashing the President and promoting his radical ideology. It was basically a chance for the Congressman to campaign, and Dr. Bullock never allowed someone from the opposing party to have the same platform. Did I mention that this happened in 1996? The President was Bill Clinton, and the Congressman was Representative Norwood from Georgia, a Republican?

Action Taken:

None. Unlike most of the whiney halfwits who piss and moan on this site, I actually respected this professor's right to express his political views. Sure, I found his views to be repugnant, but I recognized the fact that I was a student in a UNIVERSITY, where (gasp!) I might be exposed to points of view with which I disagreed. I doubt you'll post this on your little McCarthyist site, but hopefully I'm wrong.

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

basic question: what's "Straussian" mean?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

As in Leo Strauss, father of neo-conservativism. My (very basic) understanding is that a Straussian approach to philosophy is anti-relativist--one of his buzz phrases was "universal principles of right". He also aruged that philosophical and political texts contain different exoteric and esoteric meanings--that, in order to hide their acutal meanings from the masses, philosophers code their writings in such a way that the elites for whom the text is meant can discern their true meaning.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Many of the major players who have ascended to the pinnacle of power under the presidency of George Bush are admirers of Leo Strauss and as such they have brought Straussian ideals with them. Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense tops the list. Other Straussians in or around the administration include Abram Shulsky, director of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans, Bill Kristol (son of Irving Kristol, one of the first neo-cons) the editor of Rupert Murdoch's the weekly Standard. Other powerful "insiders" of PNAC who have a lock on policy making in the Bush administration include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Eliot Abrams, Dov Zakheim, John Bolton, Richard Perle, and James Woolsey, former CIA director.
from http://iviews.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IV0311-2138

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

oops, I didn't notice what kind of site I copied and pasted that from. apologies

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

code their writings in such a way that the elites for whom the text is meant can discern their true meaning.

well this bit certainly sounds familiar.

xpost: ok, so like the entire PNAC crew.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)


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