"People who buy ripped jeans are idiots. Why would I want to buy a new pair of jeans that look like they've been left out in the sun?! I may as well go to a charity shop.. etc"... Classic or Dud?

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This isn't just about jeans obviously.

I know a few people with this kind of attitude and it makes me laugh - I guess you could call it the extreme opposite to Barley-ism. A kind of wilfully elitist view of fashion or anti-fashion e.g. "Why would you want to get your hair cut like that? You look like you stepped out of the 80s!", "Couldn't you find some trousers that fit you?" etc.

So are they right or wrong?

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

Classic, because we remember the immortal words of John Thaw in the popular ITV sitcom Home To Roost: "Better get yer 'air cut, lad, else you'll be looking like that Boy George feller off the telly like." Wise words indeed.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:47 (twenty years ago)

It's not the opposite, though. It boils down to the same thing...

"You look Ridiculous"

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

i don't complain about that kind of stuff - i just take advantage by actually going to charity shops to buy ripped jeans and get crappy haircuts from mr toppers, and end up looking fashionable! yay!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

Pre-ripped clothing is no better than those chain pubs with the 'fake authentic' decor and books on shelves except the books aren't actually the books the sleeves say they are, or something.

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)

What if they're 24 years old, 6'8", wear slippers 75% of the time and cut their own hair? Oh yeh and they only eat Japanese food and are known to carry a samurai sword around the house all the time?

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

And they smoke a pipe.

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

Then the authorities should be telephoned without delay.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

What if they're 24 years old, 6'8", wear slippers 75% of the time and cut their own hair? Oh yeh and they only eat Japanese food and are known to carry a samurai sword around the house all the time?

Um ... you don't live in Edinburgh, do you?

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

depends if they're actually japanese, and is a samurai.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

there is a hairdresser called 'mr toppers'? that's a little disturbing!

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:55 (twenty years ago)

also, that sounds like a very specific description... doglatin, has someone who fitted that description recently criticised you for purchasing pre-ripped jeans?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:55 (twenty years ago)

What if they NEVER SHUT UP about Eastern quasi-mystic Eastern philosophy or their travels in Australia and have watched Conan the Barbarian more than 100 times.

Is it then okay for them to take the piss out of jumpers with zips at the collar? Hm?

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:55 (twenty years ago)

And also they are ginger.

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

Chris Evans!

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

ginger people should be exterminated obviously.

― gem (trisk), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

I approve of Mr Toppers. I have only ever used it for getting all my hair cut off though, I'm not sure they do 'nuance'.

Stevem the books in pubs are generally real books! Though maybe there should be books published in special 'pub shelf' editions with wipe-down mock-leather covers. Once I was in a pub and we opened a book and it had a chapter called "Eels Urgently Required".

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

gemily ohhh yes, there's in fact more than one!! it's like a chain of these no-frills (haha) hairdressers that proliferated in London. £6 a haircut! (they upped their price from £5)

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

also, that sounds like a very specific description... doglatin, has someone who fitted that description recently criticised you for purchasing pre-ripped jeans?

*sigh*, yes how did you guess?

Gotta say this guy is my friend but he's certainly a critical sod. I've never taken the piss out of his height or his clothes or habits but the oter day he felt the need to go through my wardrobe and laugh at every single piece of my clothing including stuff that I consider to be fairly timid. I mean what's wrong with wearing faded jeans if you like the look of them? 70% of people my age wear them anyway so what's unusual about that?

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

i think Eastern quasi-mystic Eastern philosophy is about 6 to jumpers with zips at the collar's half dozen. and so you're both fully entitled to take to piss out of each other, while we take the piss out of both of you. :D

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

kiddin'

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

why was he going through your wardrobe in the first place? that's kind of weird.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

But I'm not here to bitch about one person. I just find it odd that some people feel the need to get high and mighty about things like music or fashion taste. I'd understand if it's laughing at the fashion victim who walks down the street looking like a cyberman in hot weather - but ripped and faded jeans?! I mean is it that difficult a concept to grasp that you have to suddenly turn into your grandad about it?

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:06 (twenty years ago)

http://ilm.ilxor.com

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)

kiddin'

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

ripped or fake-faded jeans are stupid (as in, they prioritise fashion over logic), but it's okay. fashion rarely makes sense. the jeans i'm wearing today are pre-faded and quite flarey.

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

why was he going through your wardrobe in the first place? that's kind of weird.

Yes, though he is my flatmate and I was doing my washing at the time. This jumper with the zip I've hardly ever worn, but his reaction was of horror "What on Earth is THIS?! This isn't the kind of jumper for people like you and me! This is the kind of thing worn by builders on their night out!" (no I don't even understand what that's supposed to mean either).

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)

I used to purposely rip and bleach my own jeans once of a time, trying to emulate Kim Gordon or somehting I guess. Thats more embarrasing innit?

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)

DL you should just make fun of his stupid face.

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:17 (twenty years ago)

DL are you living in Queer Eye for the Straight Guy or some shit? ;D

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:17 (twenty years ago)

I dunno Trayce it sounds like fun.

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:17 (twenty years ago)

If he starts telling you to trim your nose hairs, be very afraid.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:17 (twenty years ago)

Emulating Kim Gordon I mean.

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:17 (twenty years ago)

Steve: wot, my jeans, or DL's house arrangement? heh.

ahr xpost./

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:18 (twenty years ago)

ripped or fake-faded jeans are stupid (as in, they prioritise fashion over logic), but it's okay. fashion rarely makes sense. the jeans i'm wearing today are pre-faded and quite flarey.

If it was all about logic we'd all have the same haircuts and wear the same clothes and probably wear breathable anoraks with camel-paks all day long.

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

DL are you living in Queer Eye for the Straight Guy or some shit? ;D

What's that?

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

Wots a camel-pak? Is that where you keep your smokes?

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

What's that?

you're kidding, shurely>?

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

Camel-pak is a kind of colostomy-bag thing that you keep water in to drink when you're on long hikes.

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

you're kidding, shurely>?

is it a show?

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

Yes it's a show Charlie.

It would be funny if there was a super-tall judgmental ginger samurai on Queer Eye, advising I mean. He could provide dorkiness training as a complement to the grooming section (because the ladeez don't like a man to be too perfect).

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

It should be Colin Hunt!

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

If it was all about logic we'd all have the same haircuts and wear the same clothes and probably wear breathable anoraks with camel-paks all day long.

Seems to me, anoraks aside, the GBP are doin' that anyway.

― Plus-Tech Whiz Kid (Disco) (Barima), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)

I guess it might be down to his own insecurities to be honest. Being 6'8" it's not as if he has that much choice when it comes to getting clothes. It's not as if I dress particularly outlandishly although I kinda like the odd gimmick like a logo on the pocket of my jeans or a bright hooded top or yes, ripped jeans if they're done in an interesting way and I like the style. That said I wouldn't take the piss out of his dress-sense despite the fact the samurai thing gets a bit tiresome at times.

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)

i would just like to point out that wearing slippers 75% of the time is perfectly acceptable, and probably to be encouraged.

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)

are slippers de rigeur at Leeds bassline nights?

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 21 April 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

That said I wouldn't take the piss out of his dress-sense despite the fact the samurai thing gets a bit tiresome at times.

i think the samurai sword thing is more the reason not to, ever, take the piss out of him.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 April 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

and the fact that he's 6'8"

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 April 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)

Haha I knew this was a DL thread!

There is no sane logic behind this argument at all, no.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 21 April 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

I think people who are like this tend to be Very Single, and have ideas introduced by Very Singleness of MASCULINE BROTHERHOOD, which is violated by blokes dressing up even a tiny bit fancy-like.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 21 April 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

It's basically 'X kissed a GIRL! He must be GAY! II: Electric Boogaloo'

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 21 April 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)

Apart from in their heads at D&D meetings.

xpost

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 21 April 2005 10:11 (twenty years ago)

slippers are de rigeur in my flat

i havent persuaded anyone to go to a bassline night yet.....

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 21 April 2005 10:15 (twenty years ago)

the problem is of course that pre-ripped jeans are silly in the sense that you can really tell it's been pre-ripped (ie sewn around the rips)... but yeah fashion is not meant to make *sense*.

― nathalie doing a soft foot shuffle (stevie nixed), Thursday, 21 April 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)

Are you sure he doesn't fancy you? It sounds like he's being teasy flirtatious.

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 21 April 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

He's always done it - I've known him for years. He's def hetero.

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

I used to get annoyed about things like that, but I've now realized that I can wear yer stupid Abercrombie pre-paint-stained cap and make it look cool, but if some chief gets his ripped jeans at a thrift store, he still looks like a toolbag.

― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Don't they all have an excess of dorkiness already?

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

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