the Future of Papers - the Economist discovers blogs

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Economist article about the threat of new media, (especially blogs) to the traditional structures of the established print industry. Prompted by a speech by Murdoch attacking existing print journalism (he should know) for not realising the changes afoot.

any comments?
my own viewpoint is that although i don't eny that old forms are being torn up, i am deeply sceptical of the correlation between a decline in newspaper readership and the increase in internet use. they do sort of acknowledge this, but i think its easy to se the two trends and make a relationship between that explains declining circulations, but i wonder how much the internet has really had a role to play in that.

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Some trad media outlets are making a sucess of new media. eg. The Guardian which has an online readership far in excess of it's print circulation. I am part of that decline, I only buy print editions on the weekend, but read online every day. Hower I'm part of the expansion, I read the NYtimes most days and the the South Africa Mail and Guardian often. Paper readership was declining anyway. If anything the internet has helped reverse a trend, although I suspect a smaller group of people are reading more outlets.

Not that I've read the Economist article yet, I have a long train journey tomorrow and don't want to spoil it.

Ed (dali), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

It's time or newspapers to lead the way into profitable online ad structure. If you can't beat 'em, etc.

happy fun ball (kenan), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

If anything the internet has helped reverse a trend, although I suspect a smaller group of people are reading more outlets.

Yeah. Thing is, people who want to read the news find a way to read the news. Online is easier. Sometime soon, and even a bit right now, your cell phone will replace your newspaper. That's not too pie-in-the-sky of a thing to imagine, I don't think.

I'm rather looking forward to the day when the Sun Times is just a flashy sports section.

happy fun ball (kenan), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

eh ok article but still a little alarmist: considering the history of 20th cent. media, nothing ever really goes away. the telegraph changed newspapers, radio changed newspapers, tv changed radio and newspapers, cable changed tv, the internet changed everything else...and it's all still here, in whatever form.

it's a bit like the problem with the economist's reporting on illegal downloading: if technological changes/behavior make the big firms scared or less profitable, it's not the same thing as the type of media becoming "less healthy"

i'm beginning to believe that blogs will not "replace" anything, but will affect other things, and will continue to be much as they are: another established and understood form of dissemminating (and, crucially, organizing) information. the economist skates too easily over the issue of actual paid boring shoeleather reporting being replaced. blogs are still parasites, in the way that most sections of the newspaper are parasites on the front page (in a sense). just cos glenn reynolds says he has "correspondents" doesn't mean a damn thing, sorry.

one thing they don't talk abt, and what is too early to really get a bead on, is the future of foreign reporting, ie, if the the net means that everything is everywhere, why should i bother reading, say the NYT's foreign coverage when I can just go to newspapers in india or poland or wherever. and why should people there not read the NYT for us news, etc.

g e o f f (gcannon), Friday, 22 April 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

xposts obv

one thing needs serious debunking: this OhMyNews thing has been lauded by a bunch of ppl (one guy I've heard lecture is trying it here in the US). but the success of it's business model — readers write all the content, and get paid based on popularity and donations to their specific article — was determined heavily by the S Korean media environment at the time: very tech-savvy & wired up population + deeply unfree news climate. these conditions exist almost nowhere else.

g e o f f (gcannon), Friday, 22 April 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Today's teens, twenty- and thirty-somethings “don't want to rely on a god-like figure from above to tell them what's important,” Mr Murdoch said, “and they certainly don't want news presented as gospel.”

Pardon me, but this is bullshit. The media has never been god-like, it has always been a natural, self-regulating system of checks and balances. THAT'S WHAT IT DOES, at its best, anyway. Murdoch's words sounds eerily to me like he wants more Fox news-like stations, and less BBC. He wants less checks and balances. He wants to carve deeper niches, and get people more invested in niche media. He's an evil presence.

Bloggers are so light in this. For the purposes of any meaningful argument about what is happening to newspapers and TV news, we have to separate the technology from the content. The technology of the internet brings more news faster to anyone who wants it. This is a great thing. The fact that it is bringing less, and less reliable, news to more people is a failing of the traditional news outlets to keep up, perhaps a flagging willingness to keep up, not of waning interest in traditional news (and certainly not a waning of its central role in democracy). Don't forget that it's to the benefit of Murdoch and to the detriment of factual reporting if everyone believes that the next logical step is to further decentralize news gathering and dismantle traditional ways of getting news.

And don't even tell me about bloggers taking down Dan Rather. That's not any kind of a triumph for anyone, not in the larger sense.

happy fun ball (kenan), Friday, 22 April 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Honestly -- and don't quote me on this or anything, but off the record -- I kinda want bloggers to go away altogether. They're a meaningless distraction, howling at the gate to be taken seriously, and so many people are taking the bait. YOU CANNOT BE A JOURNALIST IN YOUR UNDERWEAR, I'm very sorry to break it to you.

happy fun ball (kenan), Friday, 22 April 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

YOU CANNOT BE A JOURNALIST IN YOUR UNDERWEAR, I'm very sorry to break it to you.

*Weeps bitter tears as life's dream is crushed*

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 April 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Take heart, though -- you can at least be a White House correspondent in the nude.

happy fun ball (kenan), Friday, 22 April 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

But only at certain times.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 April 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

How about if only wear cartoon summer panties?

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 April 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Depends. Are they cartoons of me?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 April 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

The bloggers I read the most aren't a replacement for news gathering, they're a real challenge to the pundit class. The pundit class need some kicking too. Occasionally someone will do some original research, but mostly they're utterly dependent on reporting and news orgs, know it, and say so.

plebian plebs (plebian), Saturday, 23 April 2005 08:32 (twenty years ago)

I am fed up of the Economist, but not because of blogs.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 23 April 2005 09:02 (twenty years ago)

i agree with the point about murdoch seeing this as an opportunity for more fox style niches, and less bbc type monoliths

Distributed Monoliths, thats what he is after

charltonlido (gareth), Saturday, 23 April 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)


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