Yet another step in overturning abortion rights in America...

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it's amazing what news comes out at the very end of the work week:
White House to Enforce Abortion-Fetus Law

1 hour, 34 minutes ago White House - AP

By KEVIN FREKING, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration said Friday that it would enforce a nearly 3-year-old federal law that requires doctors to attempt to keep alive a fetus that survives an abortion.

In making the announcement, the Department of Health and Human Services Department said it was an attempt to educate the public about the little-known law. Officials said they didn't know how often a fetus survives an abortion and would not say whether there have been any complaints about a lack of enforcement.

"As a matter of law and policy, the (department) will investigate all circumstances where individuals and entities are reported to be withholding medical care from an infant born alive in potential violation of federal statutes for which we are responsible," HHS Secretary Mike Leavitt said in a statement.

"We will also take proactive steps to educate state officials, health care providers, hospitals and child protection agencies about their obligation to born-alive infants under federal law," Leavitt said.

The Born-Alive Infant Protection Act of 2002 amends the legal definitions of "person," "human being," "child" and "individual" to include any fetus that survives an abortion procedure.

Those who meet the definition of "individual" are entitled to certain protections under federal law. In particular, hospitals can't refuse to treat them.

HHS spokesman Kevin Keane said the department's action was not politically motivated. He said Leavitt had been asked about the issue at his confirmation hearing.

The National Right to Life Committee welcomed the department's move.

"The 2002 law and today's actions by the agency were both badly needed, because there are those in our society who have convinced themselves that some newborn infants — particularly those born alive during abortions, or with handicaps — are not really legal persons," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director for the group.

A spokesman for NARAL Pro-Choice America said the group had no comment and that it did not oppose the 2002 legislation because it did not impede on a woman's right to have an abortion.

yeah, but NARAL has to be FUCKING careful about this. Pro-life zealots won't make an overt noise about overturning Roe v Wade, but they'll chip away at it in increments. i still think the crucial thing about this bill is in the legal descriptions that it's trying to enfore.

kingfish, Friday, 22 April 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

not to mention the "born alive" buzzword/catchphrase/meme that they're trying to spread.

kingfish, Friday, 22 April 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

I want them to change the law so that all turds are considered born alive, and we'll all have to dress up and take care of every single shit we excrete.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 23 April 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

HOw in fucks name can they ascertain if a bloody blob of cells is ALIVE?

Seriously, these assholes speak as if every abortion is late-term or somehting, when most are done as soon as they can be, which is about 6 weeks to 8 weeks I'd imagine. At 6 weeks, ain't no way in hell there's anything gonna even slightly resemble a living being.

I have this awful vision of mutated bloblike heads hooked up to wires and wiggling about in labs, somewhat Eraserhead-ish. I mean seriously, is THAT what they want here? The sick fucks.

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

In Heaven...everything is fine...

Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:31 (twenty years ago)

I mean seriously, is THAT what they want here?

No, what they want is to paint a picture of a LIVING BEING being RIPPED UNTIMELY FROM TH' WOMB and SQUIRMING ABOUT and then being CAST COLDLY INTO THE TRASH by a NAZI and then a SINGLE TEAR rolling down the PRESIDENT'S cheek.

Just like the "partial birth" nonsense, it's all about creating hysteria through misinformation. These people are liars, plain and simple. They lie.

happy fun ball (kenan), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

And really, it's about something even bigger. It's about deepening the schism in American poltics, and waging further... pardon me... culture war.

happy fun ball (kenan), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)

RIPPED UNTIMELY FROM TH' WOMB

yeah, i'm waiting for some politico to make a deliberate MacBeth ref...

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

again, i think this law has more to do with the legal definitions it sets out. this is an incremental process that the pro-life zealots are engaged in, and they have patience. it's all about making a series of legal precedents to build on.

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

Indeed. And that is truly frightening innit.

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

At 6 weeks, ain't no way in hell there's anything gonna even slightly resemble a living being.

to expand on that point: what is human shaped isn't necessarily human , the brain must be developped enough to allow to have interactive relations with the world

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

Very good point - I mean look at people who do have premature births - even a month or two early, the child is often seriously delicate and/or ill, and sometimes dies as its lungs or heart are underdeveloped. Thats a child who was born at 6-8 months! I seriously doubt anyone, bar a very grave health issue, terminates that late.

That they think anything sooner is a functioning useful human is ridiculous, and that they want to open the door to the misery and expense of birthing and then artificially enabling these fetuses beggars belief.

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

Oh and I missed this bit:

"there are those in our society who have convinced themselves that some newborn infants — particularly those born alive during abortions, or with handicaps — are not really legal persons," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director for the group."

So they're trying not so subtley to bring in shit like the Schiavo issue to bear with this law too, by the looks of it. Who thinks a disabled person is "not really [a] legal person"? Lordy.

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

Bioethics needs a good de-christianizing.

Onfray remarked that except for abortion and contraception mostly, two moments of the post-christian body, many so-called secular states have civil penal code still too similar to the judeo christian option of the vatican, ex:

interdiction of research on embryo for therapeutic usage
condemnation of surrogacy even for women who had ovarian cancer
interdiction of medically assisted procreation for homo couples
systematic refusal of cloning
refusal to legalize drugs
condemnation of assisted suicide

the authority tries to own bodies , but one owns it's own body!

Praise the artifice over nature, freedom over theology, immanence over transcendence.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Saturday, 23 April 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

I like that argument:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/abortion/pub-abortion-legal.xml

"To impose a law defining a fetus as a "person," granting it rights equal to or superior to a woman's — a thinking, feeling, conscious human being — is arrogant and absurd. It only serves to diminish women."

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Saturday, 23 April 2005 06:03 (twenty years ago)

I like the way you word your posts, Sebastien :)

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 23 April 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

after reading the article about rick "foamy mixture" santorum and his wife taking their dead baby home from the hospital and cuddling and cooing over it's corpse... i'm starting to think the Fetus People are cracked. i'm going to start making crucifixes with little pink fetuses on them, sell them as necklaces.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 23 April 2005 07:22 (twenty years ago)

Thank you Trayce, it's a nice thing to hear.

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a summary of Ratziger's catholic bioconservative views on enhancement, on a right to bodily autonomy and self-determination, on contraception and on life extension and anti-aging

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Saturday, 23 April 2005 09:34 (twenty years ago)

Beast Master was ripped from the womb and he turned out okay as I recall, if a little vengeful and inclined to dress in crappy S&M gear...oh and he prefered the company of animals to humans,,,,,but okay other wise

Paul Kelly (kelly), Monday, 25 April 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)

Uh oh:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/csm/20050427/ts_csm/anotify

The bill, called the Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act, or CIANA, would make it a federal offense to transport a minor across state lines for an abortion in order to evade a parental notification law, unless she has obtained a waiver from a judge. The bill would also require a doctor to notify a minor's parent before performing an abortion, if that girl is a resident of another state. The second part also contains provisions that allow a minor to get around parental notification.

In contrast with the ban on so-called "partial-birth abortions," which is not in effect as it faces continued court action, legal experts say that the new teen abortion restrictions have a much better chance of becoming the law of the land and would have broad impact...

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Opponents of CIANA argue that the bill fails to pass constitutional muster in many ways. Jennifer Dalven, deputy director of the ACLU Reproductive Freedom Project, lists three:

First, the bill contains no exception for circumstances when the health of the minor is endangered. The bill does discuss cases when a minor's life is endangered, but health is not addressed. Abortion foes object to health exceptions, saying they are used to cover emotional distress and could be employed for any abortion.

Second, there is no judicial waiver option in states with no parental-involvement laws.

And third, Ms. Dalven says, the bill violates guarantees of equal protection under the Constitution. Specifically, she says, the bill fails by requiring a pregnant minor to comply with her home-state laws in addition to those of the state where she intends to undergo an abortion.

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

aw, brains aren't necessary for the fetus, they'll be required to put it on life-support and make you take care of it forever. once all you fornicators have 1 or 2 eraserhead babies hooked up to machines (since the christian 'conscientious objector' pharmicist wouldn't fill your birth control prescription much less give you a morning after pill), i think you'll start keeping your pants on!

lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

Bob + Laura = Eraserhead Baby?

http://www.twinpeaks.org/archives/images/jpgs/bob.jpg

happy fun ball (kenan), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

(Is it really wrong to hope that the Bush twins become publically pregnant out of wedlock?)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

just to add to the "person" term . . . funny that a fetus is a "person" but children are "minorities" . . .

kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

note that if the rumors are actually true, this would not be the first time that that family has had that problem to deal with...

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Shh, Kingfish, you're giving it away!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

but hell, the preznit's niece(jeb's daughter) is a damn crackhead, and we haven't heard much about that in 2-3 years..

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

(Is it really wrong to hope that the Bush twins become publically pregnant out of wedlock?)

-- The Ghost of Dan Perry (djperr...), April 27th, 2005.

Of course somehow Dubya would secretly 'take care' of the problem if she got preggers like that.

latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

One Crime Victim or Two?

Scott couldn't have picked a better political climate to do his deed. Just the sort of gasoline soaked fodder the Xians need. There seems to be a well organized movement happening here.

The Bush administration said Friday that it would enforce a nearly 3-year-old federal law that requires doctors to attempt to keep alive a fetus that survives an abortion

That's F**ked up!
Imagine finding out your mom was trying to off you and you were only saved from the garbage bin by a law. I can only guess at the problems THAT family will have. I thought I had family drama!

django (django), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Dan, when you say 'become publically pregnant' are talking 'bout some kind of public 'press the flesh' opportunity with the Bushettes?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

five years pass...

I thought I had started a "rolling reproductive rights rollback" thread but I guess not. anyway, the trend continues; things are grim in my state, although it's worth noting that Wake County quietly reinstated the abortion coverage they'd earlier stripped from county employee medical plans.

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2010/jul/25/some-may-lose-help/

les yeux sans aerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Monday, 26 July 2010 17:14 (fifteen years ago)

This thread title will last another dozen years easily.

Aimless, Monday, 26 July 2010 17:16 (fifteen years ago)

two years pass...

in case you missed it, Personhood USA now openly saying "just because you were raped doesn't make abortion ok." This link is to Mother Jones, but click right on through the press release: MJ is accurately reporting on this release.

available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 20:09 (thirteen years ago)


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