Do others' opinions affect your enjoyment of a thing?

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Inspired by the Mr. Show thread, when someone presents an argument for how much your favorite thing sucks, does it interfere with your enjoyment of a thing?

I read the phrase "spongey drums" on ILM once and can't get that damn description out of my head now whenever I hear drums! I hate it! It has totally affected my enjoyment of music because there are so many bands with spongey drum sounds. If I become fixated on the drums, I might as well turn off the damn stereo.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

Other peoples' opinions roll off me like rain off a treated windshield.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

roxymuzak OTM

ken c (ken c), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

oh nm

ken c (ken c), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

to the extent they bring my attention to things i hadn't noticed or affect my own perspective the answer is definetly yes. im not sure i believe anyone who would offer an unqualified "no" to a question like this.

ryan (ryan), Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Ryan OTM, particularly if the realisations are convincing. That's how I end up going from loving Man Bites Dog to finding it appalling.

Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

I don't allow anything external to affect my enjoyment of a thing. Is there something wrong with this?

xpost, but that's just being made aware of your own opinions, isn't it? That doesn't count.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

Surely it isn't just being made aware of your own opinions, if your opinion was initially that x is good, but now it is x is bad?

What was it exactly that made you change your mind about Man Bites Dog?

I tend to be influenced by other people if what they are saying indicates allusions or ramifications that I would not otherwise have thought about but are valid, but usually I will fight to the death to defend something (though I suppose if I don't like it enough initially to do this I may be swayed from 'oh, it's okay' to 'hmm, maybe it is a bit crappy').

emil.y (emil.y), Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

I hate being around screaming kids, but after taking my little cousins to the playground and seeing how elated they were, I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Their enjoyment directly affected my own.

Je4nne Ć’ury (Jeanne Fury), Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Not enough to change my mind (I don't think), but enough to change my behavior. I once played Bob Marley's "Catch a Fire" at the cafe where I worked in college which resulted in lots of hippies dancing in line as they waited to buy coffee and calling me "Bro." I never made that mistake again.

Nemo (JND), Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

What was it exactly that made you change your mind about Man Bites Dog?
Fuck, now that I'm pressed on it I can't remember. I originally thought it subversive and intelligent and after discovering the French reaction to it (many adore the film over there) I realised it was ridiculous in how they were allowed to keep the whole thing going without any sort of police interference. The characters really should've been jailed less than halfway through it, and I don't understand how it could've continued. I know it's supposed to be a sort of commentary on society and an indicator of how reality television might turn out and that it's supposed to be outlandish and gory and whatnot but there's something that gave me a particular distaste for it and made me realise how horrible it was and now I can't remember. I think it has something to do with how many of the French see nothing wrong with the film and find it absolutely comical.

Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

I don't allow anything external to affect my enjoyment of a thing. Is there something wrong with this?

I don't think there's anything wrong with that; in fact, I think I could really do with adapting that kind of attitude in my own life. I mean, I let other people's opinions affect me way too much sometimes -- not to where I'd give up liking something, but rather that I'd either try to keep that liking under wraps or I'd constantly deliver apologies for liking whatever it is that I like. Like... ok, those of you who keep up with TITTWIS might find this repetitive, but I'm constantly feeling like I should feel some shame or sheepishness about liking Howard Jones' music. Which I do. I don't consider myself a "fan" because I haven't (in my opinion) listened to enough of his music to do that, but I know I like the singles and at least two full-length albums of his (Human's Lib and Dream Into Action). And right now, it is taking me all my might not to deliver an immediate apology for that.

So -- how does one get to a point where other people's opinions don't seem to really matter? Especially when one is craving outside approval from others because of the dire lack of same in the past? Like, for example, I felt ridiculed and despised from every corner I turned for well over ten years of my Duran fanhood, so now every single negative review or negative opinion really stings, really sticks to me, because it got to a point where I felt like I would have to be in a constant state of battle with The Outside to get my fanhood accepted. And I really don't feel like I've gotten enough of the positivity in the last couple of years to even begin to make up for the decade-plus stretch of negativity and complete dismissals and being shut out from feeling vital and respected, or at least understood.

But anyway, I think I'm getting back to relying an incredible lot on others' opinions, but not in a way that would change my OWN opinion about whatever aspect of pop culture is being focused in upon. Rather, other peoples' opinions affect and change the way I view/feel about MYSELF. Because as hard as I try to immerse myself in the already-established-to-be-cool, the things that get rave reviews and AREN'T looked down upon, I always return to what others might consider embarrassing or "bad", because that to me is like returning home, being my own authentic self. And after wearing the thick, armor-like costume of someone who might actually be considered "cool" because she likes cool stuff, my tired being craves that return to the light, airy nightgown of what is my authentic self.

Goodbye Indian Summer (Dee the Lurker), Sunday, 24 April 2005 07:38 (twenty years ago)

(Shit, with posts like that, no wonder most people avoid me like the plague! *laughs*)

Goodbye Indian Summer (Dee the Lurker), Sunday, 24 April 2005 07:39 (twenty years ago)

Oh yes, all the time (but I should add that it doesn't go "oh, (x) hates this, I shouldn't like it!", but "oh, (x) hates this because of these factors, which come to think of it are kind of true". Then it all depends on how much those same factors affect me, of course.)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 24 April 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

It happens less than it used to, but still more than I'd like. The older I get, the more I know my own tastes, likes, dislikes. ILX is more useful as a bibliographic, discographic and filmographic reference than as a taste-shaping thing. To the extent that others' opinions do affect my enjoyment, I paraphrase Robert Fripp: "I respond to enthusiasm."

Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

I'm afraid that, yes, sometimes others opinions do get to me.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

not with music, but this especially goes for books i love that i then read for a class. what often happens is that the teacher goes on about some subtlety or fault that undermines what i loved about it. and then i'm upset.

Maria (Maria), Sunday, 24 April 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

cf.

Is it intellectually mature to hate a band's fans?

The Mad Puffin, Monday, 25 April 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

The criticism becomes part of the thing itself - sometimes those may be valid, sometimes not. It effects my enjoyment - and that's a good thing. I get more mileage out of something that way.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Monday, 25 April 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)


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