Also -- I'm extremely worried about how to explain to my next prospective employer that I want to continue doing what I have been doing, but not at the same place. How do you someone that? I can't tell them my current employer is a goofball -- that reflects not on him, but on my people skills (and there's a bit of truth to that). I can't tell them that I don't make enough money, even though I am severely underpaid. That makes me sound mercenary and flighty. And I can't tell them that I don't like the work, because the work is largely exactly what I want to be doing, nominally anyway. I'm "Assistant Editor." Sounds impressive, even. So why am I leaving? They will want to know.
I always crumble at job interviews and tell the truth. Maybe there's a bullshit speech with a grain of truth in it that I could be rehearsing in the mirror in between flurries of sending out my resume? I need to move on, for my health and for my financial well-being, but I don't want to shoot myslf in the foot career-wise before I even have a real career.
This is the part of life that I'm worst at.
― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)
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― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)
― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)
I'm going on eight months, and that *is* the truth. I think I'll try that. :)
― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)
― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)
― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)
― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)
There's a bit of honesy in there.. Also 8 months to decide that you're ready for new challenges seems a bit short. How hard have you tried to take on new challenges on your own? Are you waiting around for the company to hand them to you? (These are rhetorical questions.. Things an employer might think. I'm not accusing you of not trying to make the most of your job.) Also, the work "Challenges/challenging" always seems a bit contrived to me - like it's what your career advisor told you to say.
― diedre mousedropping (Dave225), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)
How hard have you tried to take on new challenges on your own? Are you waiting around for the company to hand them to you?
Well, sir, I do have constant outside projects in web development, and manage two websites on the side. Neither of these are paying jobs, however. And at a company as small as the one I work for -- only three employees -- the opportunities for growth are very limited.
― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)
Oh, me too, but that's why I'm so bad at interviews. In lieu of feeling full of shit, I end up not seeming full of shit enough. Employers want a little bit of shit, I think. I just can never gauge how much.
― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)
I guess it depends on your industry. I can't stand getting bullshitted in an interview, not that I do a whole lot of them. But I don't like negativity either. But examples of people doing more than they were asked (including doing outside/volunteer work) as ways to learn on their own and improve themselves/the company is important (to me. But learning & improvement is my business.)
Advertising/design is a whole different world...
― diedre mousedropping (Dave225), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)
:/ :/ :/
― jill schoelen is the queen of my dreams! (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)
― Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)
In my opinion, bosses (especially bosses who have a personal stake in the operation) are always going to be hard to deal with. It's how you relate to them that ends up determining your experience. My advice is to make the best of it for a while longer and see if you can maybe get the guy to change his ways a little bit. Can you talk to him reasonably?
Of course, I'm eternally optimistic. The dude probably deserves to be told off.
― dan m (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)
Hm. Not really. Sometimes I can make him feel bad, so he gets all fake-nice to me for about two hours, but his abrasive personality is not going to change. One of the most instructive conversations I overheard recently is recounted on the "whose boss is the biggest ass" thread -- a lawyer that he recently hired was trying for *days* to explain to him why he did not have a legitimate case, very patiently, much more patiently than I would have been able to pull off, and the conversation ended when my boss threatened to fire him. "Do you want to continue this conversation or terminate our relationship?" he asked. And all the guy was doing him was EXPLAINING THE LAW. It wasn't a matterr of opinion at all.
So, yeah, he's really about the most unreasonable person I can imagine. Paranoid, too. I could go on for days. Dude's just a nut.
― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)
If you have a point-by-point person specification for a job, these days (at least in the UK) that means they'll ask you in one way or another about all of those points, so do plan how you will convince them you are good at teamwork, managing your own time, planning your work, dealing with conflicts or whatever.
I've been interviewed a lot over my decades in the job market, and I've done some interviewing, and I've taken some very good interview training, so I think I know a lot of what sells by now, and how to deliver that.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)
"It's an incredibly depressing place to work. Office morale is very low and people barely speak. I want to work somewhere more dynamic."
"I've hit a bit of a glass ceiling - I've been here three years, accomplished as much as I can and there's nowhere to go from here."
"The company is haemmorhaging cash and I'm worried it isn't going to be here in six months time."
I got the job, and I haven't looked back since.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)
Is this a "small" business (is he the owner?)
― dan m (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)
― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)
― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)
― dan m (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)
THe worst part about this is my sort of work relies completely on networking and recommendations from people I've worked with before, because it's rare that jobs in my field are posted on Craig's List, for example. I despise seeking work, because it involves e-mailing people I'm not friends with, acting friendly, and then asking if they know of any jobs or if they could pass along my resume.
I'm quite likely going to find another job in this field soon, but I'm seriously considering taking on something full-time. Freelance work is a nightmare; three or four month jobs, no benefits, horrible hours, and the constant stress of not knowing where your next paycheck will be coming from, or if there will even be another job waiting for you!
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)
Don't hold your breath for benefits, though. I don't have any. Actually... should I bring up the lack of benefits at my next interview? I mean, if I know they offer benfits?
― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)
― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)
though obv you have plenty of other reasons as well.
― JuliaA (j_bdules), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)
― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)