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How long does it normally take to get a book published once it has been accepted?

I'm asking because someone I know appears to be lying to me. I won't go into the details here, but I used to trust this person very much, but now things are coming out that point to them making stuff up, to impress me perhaps? They have no need to do such a thing.

Anyway, on hearing that my ambition was to write a book, they told me that they had written one and it was being published. I was delighted, it bonded us. They continued with this, saying the publisher R@and0m House had invited them to New York for a book signing, and the book was due to be distributed.

They never went to New York, but said they had received confirmation that the book was being published, and they were to receive a monthly 'retainer'.

This was in 2002. I keep pressing for details - I want to read this book, but I'm starting to believe it doesn't exist. The publishers don't have this persons name on their list either.

I don't know the processes involved in publishing, but maybe someone here does and can tell me whether I am being lied to or not.

A relationship may be at stake here.

Rumpy Pumpkin, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)

A monthly retainer seems very unusual. Normally you get an advanced delivered in 3rds. 1/3rd on signing, 1/3rd on delivery of manuscript, 1/3rd on publication. Maunscript delivery to publication can take ages. I depends on editing an rewrites and fitting in with th marketing schedule is unusual. A year might not be unusual. Books can also get lost in publishers if an editor leaves and no one else picks it up.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

you need to know specifics like whether s/he's submitted the manuscript. if so, really 18 months would be the upper limit in the majority of cases, and nine months is more usual. even then -- say their editor moved to another publisher, the contractual shit involved in that, i dunno. the publishing process from soup to nuts, proposal to print, can take years. i've known books held up for close to a decade.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)

It was apparently submitted prior to October 2002. This is when I met the person in question. Would they have been guaranteed a million dollars by the publisher?

Is three years unusual?

The story about going to New York to sign copies of the book, that sounds like a fairy tale as well.

Rumpie, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 10:14 (twenty years ago)

for a first book, a million dollars would be news. google him, it'd be in the trade press.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

The publisher would make it their business to make it news. With a deal of that size the marketing starts on day one.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

Done that, and it's certainly looking like he's a damn liar.

Rumpy Pumpkin, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

I think you are being sold a pup. Publishers don't do retainers EVER for an author and your pal there would have a proper contract for the book.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

Everybody OTM. Advances are paid in two or three installments and million dollar advances attract attention in Publishers Weekly etc. Acceptance-to-publication can drag out for a year or more but when $1000000 is on the table the pressure is ON to get the book out fast.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)

Thanks all. Look out for my new thread coming soon - How Do I Confront a Liar Without Openly Accusing Them.

Rumpy Pumpkin, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 10:53 (twenty years ago)

Afraid your 'friend' has been lying to you. Average advances for first novels are around $10-15,000, and as Ed says, retainers are not used in the industry. A million deal would have been reported in trade press.

Abby (abby mcdonald), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

I would be very interested to know how long it takes a book to get accepted, let alone published.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

Rumpy, there is no other way. Give them a doubt out, and they will take it and make you feel guilty for doubting them.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 11:11 (twenty years ago)

He has a habit of doing that. Lifelong liar, I just never thought I'd be one of his victims.

Rumpy Pumpkin, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

**I would be very interested to know how long it takes a book to get accepted, let alone published.**

My exp is all in US publishing, mind. A book is "accepted" once the author meets the deadline, submits the manuscript and it's read by the editor who gives the official "thumbs up." Fairly extensive re-writing can follow, plus copy-editing etc. Strategic delays or SNAFUs in the publishing schedule can then postpone actual publication for years. But once the book is accpeted, the author will get paid the remainder of the advance (when depends on the contract terms). Rejection, the other outcome, ominously means re-paying the portion of the advance you've already recieved.

Finding a publisher to buy my proposal for Playback took 4/5 months and 12 rejections before a deal was struck. I didn't get a million!

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

It's surprising how many people claim to be having a book published whenever the subject of writing them comes up.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

The truth will out!

Rumpy Pumpkin, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

i think martin amis' line on having a film made is relevant here: "The only time you can be sure they're going to make a movie of your book is when the film has been out for a couple of weeks. Then it's definitely going to happen."

N_RQ, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

Well it's not my fault that the fucking editor left and no one bothered to fucking tell me and no one else there knew who the fuck I was IS IT?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

If you have a literary agent and this happened...get a new one.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

And if you don't have a literary agent, expect all kinds of nasty things to happen. Your average first-time author will not be able to go through a proposed publishing contract well enough to be able to adequately protect his or her interests.

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

No, I'm agent-less.

It's baffling innit. You know, I stopped CoM 18 months ago and it's still getting xxxxx hits per day. Book already written, pitch made, readymade international readership, cited with approval in broadsheets, learned journals and other books, the "anti-Hornby" angle, cross between Schott's Miscellany and Benjamin's Arcades Project, agreement to publish was given - and still it languishes in web space.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

Did you sign a contract? If so, you may have some legal leeway. If not, get an agent and start again. Whip up a finely-honed 500 word proposal and send it to a dozen agents you like the look of from the list in the Writer's Handbook.

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

nineteen years pass...

I was asked to give a quote for this Guardian article on finances in publishing.

Unsurprisingly, they didn’t use the quote I gave ( lol)

But here it is anyway … pic.twitter.com/MNhQ3wTpva

— Keiran Goddard (@keirangoddard1) October 15, 2024

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 October 2024 09:23 (one year ago)

the point is correct but he could have spent more time killing his darling (long badly told story against richard osman)* and crafting the rest into a pithier and better written (actually quotable) quote

*just say that it's a telling symptom that corporate-funded festivals are considered so crucial!

mark s, Tuesday, 15 October 2024 10:12 (one year ago)

Agree though I got to the end of that quote and not the article itself (which I started reading yesterday). I switched off after I found one of the quotes they included to be terrible.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 October 2024 10:21 (one year ago)

Also thought the article was abysmal. One person saying they can't get a job because being a published author makes employers "think I'm a flight risk" - I mean I simply don't think this is true, loads of writers have jobs. The same person going on to say their book can't be published because it's too good, maybe there's a trend here.

It was a strange trio also, like might be more influential if they'd picked writers that have sold books to a significant audience besides their Twitter followers.

LocalGarda, Tuesday, 15 October 2024 11:30 (one year ago)

“My friends are civil servants and doctors; they have pensions and maternity pay. I am pursuing a profession I feel passionately about and is held in high esteem. It’s very cool when you go to a party and say ‘I’m a novelist’. But actually it’s not very cool to be financially rewarded as if it’s a hobby.”

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 October 2024 15:52 (one year ago)

While I believe it would be good if more people could make a living from writing, I guess not everyone always will, and it seems weird that someone has reached 31 with no alternative career or career at all. Like how have they kept going until now? You sometimes see stories of quite well known of award-winning writers saying they make no money but that article seemed to just pick people who think they should be well known.

I mean idk I'd be all for a generous social welfare system, whatever, but weird and raises questions about how that writer sustained themselves until now?

LocalGarda, Tuesday, 15 October 2024 16:00 (one year ago)


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