Why do white people have a problem with fat girls?

When was the last time you saw a fat mujihadin, eh?

This thinking seems to be the only kind that can actually motivate me to get off my fat arse and get some exercise, though I am aware it is somewhat extremist. My views have been polarising of late - I think I need a woman.

But anyone can sit here (me included) and say "I've no problem with fat girls", it doesn't say much, its just confirming you don't have prejudices regarding the IDEA of "fat girls". In practice things are different, often physical attraction is all we have to go on, and I'd have doubts about people saying they are more physically attracted or perhaps even equally physically attracted to "fat girls". Perhaps I'm overly cynical. Physical attraction is by its nature pretty shallow, unlike er....proper attraction which is often inexplicable.

I might have mocked earlier but I was always going to be tempted into posting onto this thread.

Damn well better not, or I'll dump you in the Liffey. I'm looking out for your best interests, see. ;-)

It seems to be willfully ignorant or disengenous to claim that it's only white people.

No, I would say it's more of an appreciation of big butts or breasts - - genuinely big all over women are not accepted. Take a look at hiphop videos, what kind of women are being objectified there?

Physical attraction and other attraction are different, sure, but, um...why would you doubt this? All other things being equal, I am more physically attracted to "fat girls" (up to a point). This isn't me being PC, as in practise it means I objectify, ogle, and generally get all Shaggy-esque about them. Even on "average" girls, I tend to look for traces of chunkiness. I'm sure there are all sorts of socially conditioned reasons why I do this but the reaction is there, ingrained, and pretty much unshakeable by now.

What a way to start the week's posting.

"This isn't me being PC"

Now theres an avenue we DONT want to go down.

However, I find rolls of fat by and largely unappealing. So shoot me.

Why would blokes not be inclined to ask a tall lass out then? Maybe it comes down to punching your own weight - it's extremely unlikely I'd ask a drop-dead gorgeous lass out on the simple grounds that I'd perceive her as being well out of my league...?

Frankly, I think some boys will be glad to read this kind of thing, because they must think similar thoughts themselves. What is it that makes many boys able to treat women this way, when I'm sure many of the same people wouldn't be racist to anything like the corresponding degree? It isn't like talking about boys' attractiveness, because I'm sure that plastic surgery statistics, media images and personal experience will leave most people with little doubt that the trope of beauty is used against women in a way that it isn't against men.

Your comments seem to imply that attraction itself equals oppression, or at least that any generalised expression of attraction is oppressive.

i'm not maryann but: because a lot of men do. there are an awful lot of men that i've met who work from the principal of "if i don't wannna fuck her i don't wanna know her". and guess what? these guys tend to only want to fuck girls who are conventionally attractive. i know it may be different here on ILE, i'd like to think that some of the men here are a bit more openminded than that, but that doesn't detract from the fact that there are a shitload of dumb people in the world who do not even think to question themselves and societal conventions. there is a normalisation of male desire that goes on, some people manage to slip throught the cracks (bless their souls) but a lot don't.

i don't think maryann was saying that attraction is inherently oppressive. just the judgements men make on women's bodies seems cruel, especially in a context where certain types of female bodies are valorised and others deemed worthless and ugly, contributing to the whole lookist thing. and some men do make these judgments, and they make them as if the whole of womanhood should immediately morph into what they want.

I'm not Maryann either, for which she should be thankful, and I know I'm biased but I don't know, Tom, I must say that I am annoyed by the way people - primarily but not only men, and including people I think of as intelligent and reasonable - often criticise the appearance of women on television (including when they first appear before they've said or done anything and when it just isn't relevant to why they're on tv) in a way that I think would seem completely irrelevant and bizarre if they did it of a man. And when an unattractive woman manages to be successful, which I have a suspicion may well be harder than for a similarly unattractive man, she'll normally get a very tough time from the media whether or not her looks impact on her job choice, which they very rarely would except for this respect issue.

By way of (possibly bad) example, of course I don't agree with her politics at all, but I'd find it very hard to believe that the reason Ann Widdecombe is the most hated and ridiculed MP around is solely based on her politics as opposed to her appearance. Yes, I too find I disagree with most of her speeches, but aren't there plenty of male MPs with beliefs at least as strange and questionable? Why single her out? Why is most of the criticism I hear of her closer to "ha ha, what a mingbeast, wouldn't want to fuck her!" than a political analysis, which I just don't think applies anything like as much to criticism of male politicians?

And I don't think it's just people in the public eye, either. Maybe not so much completely unprovoked, but if someone male did something to annoy someone else I think the odds of that someone else just saying "bastard" as opposed to "jeez, fat old minger, eh?" are considerably higher than them saying "bitch" and not "fat old trout" if the first person was female. (See, I couldn't even think of a male equivalent to "trout"...) Maybe it's only a matter of grabbing for the first convenient insult when you actually have a problem with everything about them, but why do the first insults that come to mind seem to be more likely to be appearance-based when the target is a woman than otherwise?

OK, this is really inarticulate and I went on for far too long, I'm sorry, I don't make much sense at the best of times and I need sleep. I expect when I awake I'll have offended everyone and everyone will have ripped huge great holes in my argument, but go for it (erm, gently), I'd *like* to be proven wrong.

Tom's points are more useful in pointing up the range of cross- cutting relationships in different spheres between genders. Nor would I say that attraction is somehow intrinsically oppressive. But like every time the problem of objectification comes up on ILE, no- one seems to be able to make a distinction between the gaze of an individual man, and the multiplied, desomatised 'gaze', mediated and fractured, of men represented through cultural structures. Whether individual men choose to dissociate themselves from this or not (and like Di, I see that loads of men here think about this stuff and find ways of dealing with it; also who are very articulate about the double-edged nature of the problems of 'gender' which I might'n't have bothered to think so much about if they weren't so persuasive) they are nonetheless positioned largely in relation to a culture of (active) *looking*, whilst women are still, I would argue, stuck with being largely (passively) *looked at*. Feminism has never argued that no woman wants to be looked at ever, desired ever: just that most women most of the time don't want to be simply objects through which men define their sexuality.

ARen't I in a pissy mood this morning? Maybe I should go revive the Shaggy thread so that I can be pissy even more.

PS: REbecca, spot on about Widdecombe. I've made this point so often that people think I LUV her.

Space Imaging's IKONOS satellite took this image of the patriotic Fritzler Corn Maze near Greeley, Colorado, September 18, 2004.

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England is having the government censor junk food ads that might appeal to children or go on during their programming. I've read that they're just as bad but of course it's all bunk as BMI is a horrible way to judge fatness.

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Do you think Orbit smells like bologna?

Wow. There are some real gems in here.

I'm always worried that my penis will be too small for a girl that big. Irrational? Maybe.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, August 15, 2003 10:08 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark

ENBB is reviving old ILX threads to find the darkest corners of men's souls.

I just discovered the random threads button for the first time. These just happen to be the best.

omg this thread

i miss jess

Answer 2: The question may be more about how big you and she are in body size. I am the same length and I have indeed popped out from time to time, but I think this happens to every one. What we have found is that it is more about how fat we are - if your partner is a fat woman, you may not be able to get your penis into her vagina without a risk of it falling out, and you have to take shorter strokes to keep it in there

http://www.the-penis-website.com/size4.html

without a risk of it falling out

oh no! :-(