ELIOT SPITZER FOR PRESIDENT

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for this. a surefire bipartisan unifying issue, no?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 April 2005 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

can we have him as ny gov first, pls?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 28 April 2005 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Hstencil OTM.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 28 April 2005 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Has his payola lawsuit gone anywhere?

I just pity the staff in his office. He either employs like 200 people, or hes going to have a revolt on his hands soon.

Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Thursday, 28 April 2005 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm sure the ny state attorney general's office employs way more than 200 people. lemme check.

speaking of ny politix, what do y'all think about the mayoral race? i'm partial to, um, weiner.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 28 April 2005 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone from his office came to talk at my law school last semester.... She said basically it was the most satisfying experience of her life, and that they actually respond to complaints from the public rather than actively pursuing claims (if you want to believe that is another thing, or at least believe they don't selectively pick their targets). But, she also said they're really collaborative, Spitzer encourages involvement, he seeks out the best and brightest, etc. etc. etc.

I'm looking forward to him leveling Pataki.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

...tho the only bummer about him winning, if he wins, is who do we get to replace him at AG? he's basically been doing what Dubya's Justice Dept. has been too pussy or too craven to do.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

speaking of ny politix, what do y'all think about the mayoral race? i'm partial to, um, weiner.

yeah ... what an asshat ferrer has turned out to be!

i'm so glad that i don't actually LIVE in ny.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ferrer has always been an asshat, it's just that it's gotten more coverage this time.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

http://images.urbandictionary.com/view/large/22713.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

If he doesn't run for President it will be harder for me to vote for him.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm partial to, um, weiner.

OTM!

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.anthonyweiner.com/media/user/images/AW-parachute-jump1Web.jpg

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not sure but a weiner vs. bloomberg matchup will be a charisma battle for the ages

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Eliot Spitzer is a rock-solid god.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 28 April 2005 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd hit it.

g e o f f (gcannon), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Weiner doesn't have a shot in hell.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

nope! but despite that he has gotten some good press lately. too bad nobody cares.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

i know next to nothing about this weiner dude. i do know, though, that i have come to dislike bloomberg and, unless the dems nominated stalin bin laden, i would vote against bloomberg -- except that i can't cause i live in new jersey!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand why the Democrats can't get their act together in a race that they should own.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

anthony weiner is a congressman for brooklyn and queens.

sheed, at least fucking bob kerrey ain't gonna run.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

So true, stence.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Weiner doesn't have a shot in hell.

and someone else does?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not seeing anyone else on the Democratic side that does, gabbneb, no. Ferrer certainly appears to have plummeted through the trap door. straight into the alligator pit.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the problem Dems have is exactly that NYC is a Democratic town, which means it's full of party hacks demanding fealty and favors for the 750 votes they can deliver in the primary. So the Democratic candidates themselves all tend to be party hacks who have hung in there long enough and scratched enough backs to get their shot at Gracie Mansion. The Republicans don't have the same kind of civic machine, which means the field is more open to people stepping in from outside the city power structure.

I'm not too happy about anyone running for mayor this year. I hate not voting, but I might sit it out. I don't think Bloomberg's all bad, but his deputy is, and I can't vote for anyone pushing that idiotic stadium. I think he'll probably get re-elected, for lack of a compelling alternative (and also maybe on the old friends- close/enemies-closer logic).

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 29 April 2005 07:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Spitzer tho, yeah, can I just vote for him today and be done with it? I don't want to wait a year and a half.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 29 April 2005 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the problem Dems have is exactly that NYC is a Democratic town, which means it's full of party hacks demanding fealty and favors for the 750 votes they can deliver in the primary.

Best explanation I've heard so far.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 29 April 2005 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno, something about Spitzer worries me, he's got definite zealot tendencies. Been voting since 1976, never pulled the lever for a Republican and never will...but the last thing New York needs is a Democrat version of Giuliani. (And yeah, that stadium scam is a dealbreaker in terms of me voting for Bloomberg.)

m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 29 April 2005 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not so sure that Spitzer is a zealot, per se; If there's a coherent ideology behind his investigations of mutual-fund companies, stock analysts, insurers, etc., I don't know what it is, and Spitzer's record of settling these investigations before they see the inside of a courtroom suggests that any ideology isn't closely held. My guess is that Spitzer sees himself more as a super-advocate for consumers and a spackler of regulatory leaks. That's certainly a good thing in my book.

But I can understand why some people who don't have the tightest grasp on the financial stakes involved in things like market timing or reinsurance, and the ripple effects they can have on broader consumer finance, might be wary of his investigative vigor. That wariness will probably be the biggest challenge he has to overcome in the gubernatorial campaign. Also, I suspect that whomever his Republican opponent will be will hammer on Spitzer's settlements record and maybe even accuse him of vendetta against the Greenbergs (and by extension, all wealthy people).

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 29 April 2005 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't Spitzer finally spit the bit on the corporate crime cases? I know the Village Voice was pissed.

Weiner is a protege of scumfuck Schumer, hence dead to me.
As of now, I'm for Virginia Fields in the primary.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 April 2005 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Spitzer announced he was pulling back from more white-collar stuff about a week after he announced he was running for governor (and insisted there was no connection at all between the two). Which makes him an opportunist, I guess, and maybe a hypocrite -- but it mostly makes him a politician interested in getting elected. What do people expect? He's nothing close to a zealot; he stepped up and did important work when he saw no one else was doing it. Sure, he was looking for a political hook, but I like the hook.

And the thing is, he'd have to be a really, truly abysmal governor to be worse than Pataki. My guess is he'd be a decent governor, and possibly even a really good one.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 29 April 2005 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm intrigued by virginia fields, but have yet to actually see her say anything of substance. the media hasn't helped either, they mention that she's second in polling to ferrer but have not said a single thing about any ideas she might have (unlike ferrer, weiner and miller). kinda surprising about miller, how a fairly popular guy in an important city position seems to be just dying. fields is just a borough prez (albeit of manhattan); if she's anything like our marty, she doesn't really do much (i admit i don't know).

gypsy mothra, not voting would be remarkably lame, lamer than our candidates even (but we've covered that in many a thread).

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, if people are gonna badmouth spitzer for doing what the sec doesn't have the balls to do, then they're schmucks. how many trillions of equity disappeared overnight since 2001?

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

There was a Markowitz profile in the New Yorker that I haven't read yet. He always seemed like kind of an affable dope to me.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i think that's his schtick, and for a lot of people it works. but i think marty's fucking brklyn over majorly with a lot (but not all) of the proposed development. fuck the nets, they had tons of chances to beat the heat last night but sucked. nj can have 'em.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Rasheed otm re Spitzer, tho I don't think the Greenberg thing would go anywhere

Virginia Fields would make a fine placeholder, but is nothing as a politician. against Bloomberg, maybe that's unnecessary. don't know how constituencies v. turnout would play out wrt Weiner v. Fields.

scumfuck Schumer

wow

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, gabbneb, you're probably right about the Greenbergs. Maybe it complicates some fundraising with big donors a touch? Tho that seems unlikely, too.

Stencil, I really need to make more of an effort to learn about Markowitz given that he's my buro prez. The only time I've ever really paid any attention to him was after the blackout, when we were walking home over the Brooklyn Bridge, and he was standing on the center divider hooting into a bullhorn to "Hey everybody! Have a barbecue! It's alright! It's Brooklyn!"

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i think that some people are reading their own ideological assumptions into spitzer, and spitzer is sort of a blank slate as far as that goes (putting aside the [strong] point that being a super-advocate for consumers is an ideology in itself).

i also vaguely remember some folks back in 1998 (when spitzer was first elected NYAG) thinking that he wouldn't amount to much, that he was a spoiled rich kid getting his juice from his dad, etc. interesting how wrong THAT assessment turned out to be!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Miller seems like the most obvious opportunist on legs.

My support for Fields would be based on my distaste for the others (I voted for Ferrer at every step last time, and the cop-pandering thing -- and his ineptitude after -- has soured me), and on demographic criteria.

If I used "substance" as a criterion, Stenc ... it'd be Brodeur!

http://mayorbrodeur.org/


Follow Schumer's craven media stunts and record (start with Waco: The Rules of Engagement); you'll find no more appalling pol aside from the GOP's Creationist core.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

man i must have blanked re: waco 'cuz i saw that again not long ago and i can't think of anything schumer did in it.

hahaha yeah i like brodeur but he's got a little too much substance, if you know what i mean.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Spitzer as blank slate is an interesting idea; he's certainly a Rorschach blot for how you feel about a range of issues, from regulatory enforcement, to federalism, and on and on. And while I'm more inclined to think about consumer advocacy as a manifestation of ideology rather than an ideology in and for itself, I can understand the case against that view.

I've read a number of magazine pieces about Spitzer that play up the pedigree angle, but it never seems to stick in conversation about him.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 29 April 2005 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

gypsy mothra, not voting would be remarkably lame, lamer than our candidates even (but we've covered that in many a thread).

On principle, I agree. In practice... I hate to say this, but my guess is that Bloomberg may be a better administrator than any of the Democratic candidatesbasic bureaucratic competence that you look for in an executive. I think he does a capable job of keeping the city running, which is no small thing. I also grudgingly admire his independent streak (hosting the Log Cabin Republicans during the GOP convention, supporting gay marriage, etc.). But I refuse to vote for him, largely on account of the stadium and Olympics nonsense, but also because of his willingness to accommodate and propagate the Bush administration's Sept. 11 propaganda. OTOH, I might have a hard time voting for any of his opponents, who I might like better ideologically but might not be as good at being day-to-day mayor. I'm very suspicious of the Democratic Party machine (see recent scandals involving Brooklyn judges, e.g.), or of anyone too beholden to it.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 29 April 2005 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, lost some words there -- Bloomberg may be a better administrator than any of the Democratic candidates in terms of the basic bureaucratic competence that you look for in an executive.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 29 April 2005 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah administrating the city is important, but bloomberg's vision seems to consist solely of a continuation (and perhaps upping-the-stakes) of giuliani's hand-everything-to-developers ideology.

did anybody see the piece in the times yesterday about bloomberg wanting to solve the homeless problem?

also, re: the gay stuff, i think america's most closeted mayor hasn't done much to actually change things for the better.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 29 April 2005 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

True, but at the moment just not making things worse almost counts as progress.

And the Democratic candidates might be mostly opposed to the stadium (it's a good political move, given its general unpopularity), but Democratic mayors in general are just as stadium-and-developer happy as Republican mayors. Everybody likes to build monuments. I mean, Marty Markowitz loooooooves Bruce Ratner.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 29 April 2005 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i know, i know, the dems aren't much better. but i feel like they'd prolly haggle for more affordable housing, which is something i don't see diamond mike doing.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 29 April 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, true. I don't mean to defend Bloomberg too much. I just think he's done a capable job in a lot of ways. He's a dick, but way less of a dick than his predecessor. (And I suppose the ambivalence of people like me, who would normally vote for any Democrat over any Republican, is why he'll probably get re-elected.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 29 April 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm w/ gypsa mothra re bloomberg.

i also note that if i lived in NYC in 2001, i COULD have conceivably voted for him -- i had that much of a strong dislike for green (as a PERSON -- he's an obnoxious twerp, plus i questioned his core political skills [e.g., if he couldn't handle sharpton and ferrer in the primaries and whilst running, how the HELL was he gonna handle them and others if mayor?] -- though i liked many of his political stances) that it would've really been a coin-toss. (nb: i liked alan hevesi best that year -- why didn't you NYers listen to me?!?)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 29 April 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

http://spitzer2006.com/

Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Friday, 29 April 2005 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i liked alan hevesi too. still do.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 29 April 2005 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

ALBANY - State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer declared yesterday that same-sex couples should be allowed to wed - openly defying Gov. Pataki's stance on the controversial issue.


NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Eliot Spitzer has rattled Wall Street's cage with investigations into stock research, mutual funds and insurance sales, but the New York Attorney General isn't done: now he's turning his attention to record labels, according to a published report Friday.

Spitzer's office has served subpoenas to four major record companies, including Universal Music, Sony BMG Music, EMI Group and Warner Music, the New York Times reported.

The subpoenas are an effort to obtain information on fees the companies may have paid to middlemen that pitch songs to radio stations, according to the Times.


NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer filed a lawsuit against former New York Stock Exchange Chairman Richard Grasso and the exchange Monday, seeking the return of some of Grasso's $187 million pay package.


This guy is totally getting the ILX vote!

Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Friday, 29 April 2005 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a friend in Park Slope who swears he won't vote for Spitzer because Spitzer endorsed the Ratner arena. My guess is that Spitzer doesn't really care about the arena either way, but it's endorsed by the local Democratic establishment and Ratner can swing some hefty developer dollars. Plus it's a statewide race and most of the state couldn't care less. My friend sees this as a massive sellout by Spitzer. I see it as totally predictable politics. But then, I'm not going to have to live next to the arena.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 29 April 2005 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

your friend isn't either!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 29 April 2005 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

just close. hah.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 29 April 2005 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

He'll have to look at it every time he...goes to Target.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 29 April 2005 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahaha, yeah.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 29 April 2005 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Stenc, did you catch Bloomie canoodling with Ed Koch?

If I lose my studio of 10 years to Pataki's rent law "reforms," I somehow don't think The Spitz will retrieve it for me.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

uh, no, nothing specific, but c'mon we all know bloomie's gay. no wonder koch shills for him.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

man, ed koch took a nosedive at some point.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, thanks to one siva vaidhyanathan on eric alterman's blog i now know a little bit more about andrew weiner, and i don't like it AT ALL.

if any ILXor is curious about what would make me vote third party, it's someone like weiner. thank goodness i only work in NYC, and that i don't live here.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

also can we talk about how much the coney island and north brooklyn redevelopment plans suck?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

30-40-story towers on the bklyn side of the east river = suck suck suck

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Massive, unrelenting housing shortage and powerful desire of big chain retailers with $$$$$$ to move into urban markets can't be ignored.

The way it's being played out does pretty much = suck suck suck though.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

the city council did manage to wrangle some concessions re: set-asides for affordable housing but i don't think it's gonna off-set the 25 years being property tax-free + how hideous big tall buildings will make the "reviatalized" storefront.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

my bad, ANTHONY weiner. whether he's ANDREW or ANTHONY, he's still an asshole.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

thank goodness i only work in NYC, and that i don't live here.

Bring back the commuter tax!

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

(i mean, we're gonna need help paying for all these goddamn stadiums and shit)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

believe it or not, i'm all for the commuter tax. the city needs $$$ (and 2/5ths of 1% isn't THAT much anyway).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Won't the commuter tax drive housing prices up?

A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Won't the commuter tax drive housing prices up?

i don't understand how this would happen?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"market forces"

A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

housing costs could go higher?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 5 May 2005 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Just more of an incentive to live in the city proper, no matter how small it may seem to be!

A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i just calculated that a commuter tax (if a new one is at the same rate as the repealed one) would come out to $5/week for me. that's NOT enough incentive for ME to move to NYC, and i doubt it would be for anyone earning less than me (and prob. not for the lion's share of people earning more).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 6 May 2005 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Its just more money on top of the time/inconvenience/cost of commuting. There will be an aggregate effect, but not large.

Also, it seems like it might have more of psychological impact than actual monetary one. But still, not a huge deal.

A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Friday, 6 May 2005 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Where do you live??

A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Friday, 6 May 2005 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

hoboken, NJ ... and i pay a MUCH lower rent than if i lived almost anywhere in manhattan (except maybe inwood) and have an easier commute into the city.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 6 May 2005 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)


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