The Films of John Landis

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OK, who's a big fan of Landis here?

I'm a HUGE fan of his work. I don't know if it is possible to have a favourite director or film but An American Werewolf in London is certainly the movie I revisit most/ have seen the most/ force people who have not seen it to watch it/ caught it twice at big screen revivals etc etc

I love how his films seem utterly disjointed and random - swinging from one thing to the next with a "Who gives a fuck? This will WORK anyway" kind of mind behind them. By rights Werewolf should not work - but it does. I hope he makes a comeback.

Cza, Friday, 29 April 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

And don't forget The Blues Brothers, a film that by all logic shouldn't work but does anyway.

Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 29 April 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, a lot of them are like that - Trading Places, Spies Like Us, Innocent Blood, The Three Amigos... the guy is a genius, moreso than Spielberg or Lucas.

Cza, Friday, 29 April 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

vic morrow.

g e o f f (gcannon), Friday, 29 April 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

Spielberg is a project leader and Lucas is an avaricious overrated spanner.

Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 29 April 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

has speilberg ever made a film with anything (intentionally) funny in it?

jed_ (jed), Friday, 29 April 2005 00:54 (twenty years ago)

jaws has some kicks, sugarland express too. the ballroom scene in 1941.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 29 April 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

spielberg definitely has a sense of humour, it's just a pretty terrible one (see the jetpack char-broiling the burgers in "minority report")

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 29 April 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

Landis gave us Kevin Smith which IS unfortunate but his comedies are hilarious.

Cza, Friday, 29 April 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

his snuff film was good

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 29 April 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

has speilberg ever made a film with anything (intentionally) funny in it?

Three episodes of the Indiana Jones series for example. He can do comedy when he wants but uses it as punctuation to break up the tension of a scene rather than using it as the text of the scene.

Landis is great too with at least 3 classic films but went off the boil after Coming to America (Blues brothers 2000 anyone) however his latest one Real Men looks interesting.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 29 April 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

spies like us is one of the best films of the 80s. it captures the cold war/reagan era like no other comedy from that time did.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 29 April 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

vic morrow.

latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Friday, 29 April 2005 05:12 (twenty years ago)

'Into the Night' - it never seems to be shown on TV.

Also 'Dream On' is overdue for a re-run here in the UK

Bob Six (bobbysix), Friday, 29 April 2005 06:26 (twenty years ago)

thriller

charleston charge (chaki), Friday, 29 April 2005 06:30 (twenty years ago)

Is there a story behind why all his films have the phrase 'See You Next Wednesday' hidden in them somewhere?
(ie It's the title of the porn film in American Werewolf, Jamie Lee Curtis has a poster advertising a 50s musical of this name in Trading Places, it's a line of dialogue in the horror film they're watching in Michael Jackson's Thriller video, etc).
Does it actually allude to something?

M Carty (mj_c), Friday, 29 April 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)

It's from 2001: A Space Odyssey (***spoiler!***) - it closes the video message from Frank Poole's parents, before HAL starts killing.

Wikipedia says:

See You Next Wednesday is a fictional film that is the trademark of film director John Landis. He typically includes a reference to it in most, but not all of the movies he directs. Usually the reference is just a movie poster for the film in the background. See You Next Wednesday is never the same from film to film.

See You Next Wednesday was the name of the first screenplay that Landis ever wrote as a teenager. He took the title from a line in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

References
In Landis' first film, Schlock (1973), SYNW is mentioned twice and shown as a poster. Brief casting and plot descriptions are given each time it is mentioned, making it clear that this is in fact two different films both entitled See You Next Wednesday.
In the sketch comedy film The Kentucky Fried Movie (1977), the film is a melodrama presented in "Feel-Around," a technique where an usher stands behind each movie patron and does things to them as they occur in the film, enhancing the movie-going experience, at least until the scene where the woman puts a knife to the man's throat.
In The Blues Brothers (1980), SYNW is glimpsed on a billboard.
In An American Werewolf in London (1981), SYNW is a porn film being shown in a seedy London porno theater. Advertised as "A Non-Stop Orgy," scenes from the movie are actually shown as the characters talk in the theater.
In Trading Places (1983), a poster for SYNW is glimpsed in Ophelia's (Jamie Lee Curtis) apartment.
In the Michael Jackson video Thriller (1983), it is spoken by a character in the movie Michael and his girlfriend are watching.
In Twilight Zone: The Movie (1983), a German character says "see you next Wednesday" in German.
In Into the Night (1985), posters for the movie are shown.
In Coming to America (1988), a poster for SYNW is shown on a subway station.
In Innocent Blood (1992), SYNW is shown on a marquee.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/See_You_Next_Wednesday

beanz (beanz), Friday, 29 April 2005 08:10 (twenty years ago)

'...werewolf...' *kills*. absolutely. treads an incredibly fine line between hilariousness and absolute horror like no other film would/could ever dare to. there's no way that script would get past draft one these days. 'shaun of the dead' and the like try to do the same, and fail spectacularly.

one of the best things said about '...werewolf...' was the comment from a lady who got up and walked out at a test screening, and is quoted on the dvd. 'it's not that i don't like the film, it's just you can't bear to see that happen to people you care about'.

landis *rocks*.

..but yeah vic morrow.

piscesboy, Friday, 29 April 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

should be see you next tuesday that would be funnie

Masked Gazza, Friday, 29 April 2005 09:18 (twenty years ago)

Just to touch on this briefly - the whole Morrow thing was not Landis' fault. It was due to a stunt that went wrong and the stunt co-ordinator. And even then no one set out to make that happen. It's BS dragging that up.

See You Next Weds was also the name of a short film John made as a kid. It's not in all of his films - it's not in Animal House for instance. Spies Like Us is, along with Trading Places, quite synoymous of Landis' politics (he's fiercly anti-Republican). I love both of them to bits.

Cza, Friday, 29 April 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

utterly disjointed and random = bad direction. That anyone would sincerely associate him with "genius"... Go watch Sturges, Lubitsch and Elaine May.

There are comedy sequences in E.T. and Temple of Doom that kick Landis's entire career.

I do recall An American Werewolf in London being genuinely frightening.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 April 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

He directed Animal House, right? I'll rep for that & An American Werewolf in London, & his talking-head stints. And there was an IFC documentary about a used car salesman he directed that looked interesting. Also, great beard. Otherwise, meh.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 29 April 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

utterly disjointed and random = godard = modern cinema

sturges! ffs.

N_RQ, Friday, 29 April 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

"utterly disjointed and random = godard" = not understanding (good) godard

Modern filmgoers only want comedies to mimic bad TV.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 April 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

oh for the olypian perspective you have on we 'moderns'. anyway if you can't see that godard was aiming for the disjointed in films from 'vivre sa vie' to 'vent d'est', you're the one suffering from a failure of understanding.

N_RQ, Friday, 29 April 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

'kay. I think those are the ones that are boring as hell?
I'm not the one who compared the director of Spies Like Us to JLG.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 April 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

There are comedy sequences in E.T. and Temple of Doom that kick Landis's entire career.

roffle

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Friday, 29 April 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

er read one "the clothes have no emperor" by paul slansky (required reading on a number of topix really) landis may not have physically dropped the chopper on an actor and 2 kids but he vigorously, legally, publicly avoided any responsibility at all and characterized the lawsuits as attacks on artistic freedom.

don't be so childishly defensive of your heroes calum; he's made a great many very funny movies but come on.

g e o f f (gcannon), Friday, 29 April 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Come on, nothing. I'm not going into this - it's no one's business anyway.

For the record, Landis Vs JL Goddard is fucking easy... Landis wins hands down. I HATE Goddard so much it is not even funny. First rule of filmmaking: Make something that ENTERTAINS the audience. American Werewolf in London = the most entertaining film ever.

Cza, Friday, 29 April 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

first rule of being a dick: assume "audience" = your tastes

g e o f f (gcannon), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

"Godard". One "D"

"American Werewolf in London" is entertaining, but the most entertaining ever? Come off it.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

And look at the grosses for Landis' films during the late 70s - up until Coming to America. Then look at Goddard. Yup, seems more people share my tastes.

Cza, Friday, 29 April 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

Bad argument. Compare Landis grosses w/Argento's Who do you like better again?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

And they like McDonalds as well.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

It's not a bad arguement Pash. The guy said that you cannot assume audiences share your tastes... well, not all the times - but certainly some of the time.

I'm not saying filmmaker that makes X amount is better than filmmaker that makes Y amount because that would make Michael Bay or George Lucas the greatest directors in history. The point I was trying to make is that film is a personal experience and - judged from an entertainment POV - Landis is one of my fave directors. Argento as well - up until Opera anyway.

Cza, Friday, 29 April 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

all that grand grossing landis "audience" voted for GWB too (but then Clinton before him)...and vastly prefers faith hill and/or beyonce to your beloved white stripes...

populism is a tired road, calum, and doesn't mean what you want it to mean for very long (xpost) as you've just said! so wtf, think of something else. it's for cowards--you always turn to "WELL LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME YOU MEANIES" whenever anything you've submitted gets the slightest scrutiny. get some fucking balls, kid.

g e o f f (gcannon), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

I was answering your remark about assuming everyone shares my tastes! Fucking fuckssake. Look man, if you wanna sit in front of your Goddard then go ahead - I hope it really does it for you. I honestly don't think I could sit through one of his movies without the copious use of the fast wind button, but that is just me.

Cza, Friday, 29 April 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

One "D" not 2!!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/home/index.html

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 29 April 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

Seems like Landis and Hughes had kind of parallel careers: box-office kings; the generation after the 70s auteurs; hitting the mark consistently and prolifically, and then...

Eazy, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 21:36 (sixteen years ago)

helped kill film comedy

Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 August 2009 03:46 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

there's something amazingly sexy and charismatic about JL.

I have an infamous queef post? (jed_), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 15:43 (fourteen years ago)

three months pass...

Landis' son Max made a cute little viral vid promoting his new superhero movie, with booze and a justified rant and a Simon Pegg cameo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM

Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Saturday, 4 February 2012 18:41 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

All they're asking is $200:

http://tiff.net/filmsandschedules/tiffbelllightbox/2013/2550007760

clemenza, Friday, 24 May 2013 22:44 (twelve years ago)

No Hologram Belushi?

Sheela-Tubb-Mann, You Real Know-It-All (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 25 May 2013 01:56 (twelve years ago)

Or, for $200, tiny pieces of cloth from his Delta Tau Chi sweatshirt.

clemenza, Saturday, 25 May 2013 03:30 (twelve years ago)

Good audio Landis interview:
http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/tt/tt120118john_landis_monsters

still they yacht me like yeezus (Eazy), Saturday, 25 May 2013 03:31 (twelve years ago)

seems like landis is in the process of being rehabilitated by critics

dave kehr wrote a really brutal negative review of trading places when it came out, now he says it's an american classic without acknowledging the about-face.

i don't know how i feel about this guy. like a bunch of other directors of his era (spielberg, zemeckis, dante...) his stuff looks almost "classical" compared to today's commercial films. but i'm not sure that's really a compliment so much as a basic observation.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 25 May 2013 05:58 (twelve years ago)

(btw i once posted on kehr's blog, when he was discussing landis, asking him what made him change his mind about trading places in particular and landis in general.... and he deleted my comment! some revisionism going on here. i wonder if they are just best buds now or something.)

btw

Trading Places
116 minutes
Rich boy and poor boy swap lives. The only reason for using a plotline as primitive as this is to give two improvisational comics like Dan Aykroyd and Eddie Murphy plenty of room to maneuver. But director John Landis is so deficient in basic storytelling skills that he must spend hours explicating the most elementary plot points while Aykroyd and Murphy are sidelined. Like Arthur, this 1983 film re-creates a screwball comedy format and then eliminates everything but the crudest audience-gratification elements; any incursions into the more morally complicated side of the genre are quickly curtailed. Ralph Bellamy and Don Ameche, as the two unshaded villains, provide the appropriate 30s reference point; Jamie Lee Curtis, a strong and intelligent performer elsewhere, here succumbs to Landis's penchant for turning all his heroines into busty bunnies. With Denholm Elliott and Jim Belushi.
By Dave Kehr

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 25 May 2013 06:01 (twelve years ago)

kehr wrote a good piece on him a couple years back:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/movies/homevideo/blu-ray-releases-animal-house-and-blues-brothers.html

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 25 May 2013 06:02 (twelve years ago)

Landis had a really nice run through Coming To America. i'm honestly not sure if he lost it after that or if he just never had it and it was the material that started sucking. watch anything he made in the 90s or later and you're just overwhelmed by the ineptitude. he might've been a right time, right place kind of guy - like, someone had to be the guy to make Animal House

he seems like a really unpleasant guy on a personal level too

turds (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 25 May 2013 06:19 (twelve years ago)

watching american werewolf recently, i was struck that the film was at its absolute liveliest when people were being murdered by automobiles. hmmm

turds (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 25 May 2013 06:20 (twelve years ago)

I like Animal House and American Werewolf quite a bit. But boy, Trading Places at the time struck me as absolutely lame.

clemenza, Saturday, 25 May 2013 13:32 (twelve years ago)

I'm not an Ackroyd fan at all, but love him in Trading Places, no trace of 50s Dragnet or Sci-Fi.

still they yacht me like yeezus (Eazy), Saturday, 25 May 2013 14:59 (twelve years ago)

three months pass...

Landis fans? check it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGZ1Jx9XSBY

piscesx, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 01:29 (twelve years ago)

two months pass...

Good interview:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/john-landis-rails-studios-theyre-659222

Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Sunday, 24 November 2013 20:25 (twelve years ago)

"And the studios are no longer interested in making good movies -- they're interested in movies that will bring you in. So you have movies like Avatar, or Alfonso Cuaron's Gravity. It's wonderful to look at. Now, is it a good movie? No! But it's entertaining, and it's a spectacle and technically astonishing."

That's nice until you realize he thinks The Blues Brothers is a good movie.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:31 (twelve years ago)

vic morrow.

― latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Friday, April 29, 2005 12:12 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pplains, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:38 (twelve years ago)

"Why use all that fancy CGI when you can use real kids and chopper blades?"

pplains, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:38 (twelve years ago)

Landis otm

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:39 (twelve years ago)

Fuck him for Morrow, and for that racist "primitive cultures" cutaway in Animal House.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:52 (twelve years ago)

Plenty of shit in his CV. I was just referring to this interview.

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:54 (twelve years ago)

two months pass...

Into The Night:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg2kpeKC6E1qbao74.jpg

That's So (Eazy), Thursday, 13 February 2014 03:07 (twelve years ago)

I have a lot of thoughts about that film

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 February 2014 04:34 (twelve years ago)

Remake of?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYFlQWL7u6U

Eric H., Thursday, 13 February 2014 04:36 (twelve years ago)

eleven months pass...

For some reason I expected Into the Night to be a lot weirder or quirkier or just...something than it is. Basically a conventional chase picture with the occasional oddity of seeing Jim Henson or Paul Bartel or whoever occasionally hanging around the edge of the frame. Pretty dickish use of animal violence for yucks as well, but that's kind of a Landis trademark, isn't it?

That shit right there is precedented. (cryptosicko), Monday, 9 February 2015 03:34 (eleven years ago)

I don't remember the animal violence...?

the weirdest thing about it is its flat tone, how it just kind of meanders from one thing to the next aimlessly and then oh look there's a cameo

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 00:11 (eleven years ago)

human violence is always a good laugh, let alone that vs dumb beasts

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 01:24 (eleven years ago)

xpost

There's Jack Arnold's dog that gets shot in the elevator, as do Paul Mazursky's three parrots (Larry, Curly and Moe).

More than once I could picture Goldblum's character being played by Chevy Chase, for some reason.

That shit right there is precedented. (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 03:06 (eleven years ago)

four years pass...

Orson verbally punching John Landis in the balls so hard it might begin to explain Max Landis

Landis, John pic.twitter.com/uxukyvM2ae

— John Frankensteiner (@JFrankensteiner) August 27, 2019

... (Eazy), Monday, 2 September 2019 22:44 (six years ago)

Classic orson

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 01:58 (six years ago)

that thread is gold

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 02:01 (six years ago)

i really should own a copy of that book

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 02:41 (six years ago)


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