Since my favourite sincerity site seems to be gone, can we have an ILX sincerity thread?

Proposition:

A sincere person will tell you the truth as they see it, as best they can. This does not in any way guarantee they will tell you a useful truth, because they may have a poor grasp of reality or questionable judgement. All you can be sure of is they are offering the best they can offer.

An insincere person will tell you what they think will profit them in some way. If they have a poor grasp of reality or questionable judgment, they may not profit quite as they hope to, but it is guaranteed that the truth as they see it or your well-being is not a consideration, unless secondarily or tangentially.

Discuss.

Sincerity makes my ass clench in embarrassment most times. The avoidance of it is not motivated by profit so much as as an end in itself.

You thought, you thought, you thought! You thought eight different things tonight Mark! You're on fuckin notice!

Todays "thread I don't remember why or what I was thinking thread"

Still, eight things is me doing well...

Sincerity makes my ass clench in embarrassment most times.

I see. Is this because the person for whom you are feeling this embarrassment is not demonstrating the socially correct amount of indifference toward the subject under discussion? Or is it because this person suddenly reminds you of Kelly Ripa?

The person for whom i am feeling the embarrassment is usually the one sitting on buns of steel tbh.

They're being grossly sincere and you feel embarrassed for yourself? How strange.

I have the same difficulties with sincerity as lex or whoever has with humour, i think. ime it's a tool for steamrolling bullies who display a wilful ignorance of the nuances, delicacies and small kindnesses that i myself find in the fertile dankness of black humour, cynicism, call the opposite of sincerity what you will.

This is, i will have been aware, a personal thing. I just dont trust sincere strangers, i wonder what theyre up to.

Sincerity in the service of ulterior motives is a contradiction in terms you realize.

not sure why you think sincerity is in opposition to black humor or cynicism, or what it has to do with the ability to perceive nuance.

Only if theyre inconsistent with that sincerity, i think, but i'm not sure i'm wholly on board with yr 'sincerity is intent' definition/contention tbh

xp we'd have to hammer down sincerity first, i think being without guile is a goid start but amn't sure that's the same thing as what aimless posits. And if we take it as being without guile, or similar, then yeah i think it is v close to an outright opposition to (or at least inconsistent with) those things

I get the sincere feeling you want a sincere discussion about this

Sincerity as an intent usually results in a certain manner of speaking and acting. Manners, as any actor can testify, can be mimicked. Excellent actors can mimic manners with such exactitude as to make them indistinguishable from the real thing. But an actor also will understand there is a difference between what they do while acting and what others do when they are not. That difference is akin to sincerity, which could be described as a complete unity between the intent and the manner.

sincerity only as an internalised synchronicity, sure. i'm not sure how that matters to anyone other than the individual actor, i may be taking 'sincerity' more to mean an external manner tbh. you will no doubt disagree, and i wont doubt your sincerity. but i dont think that most ppl use the term to mean that internal singularity of purpose, i think it's used much more often in the sense of describing mannerisms. i may be blathering.

The longer you observe a person who only mimics the manner of sincerity, the more you will see the lack of that internal singularity of purpose. otoh, where there is genuine sincerity the longer you observe the person the more evident that unity becomes.

truthy

that's a nice thought and makes the wrapping up of crime dramas in an hour a week a handy number, but i'm not sure it reaches the level of universal truth or anything

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i have the same aversion to most sincerity as darragh does. but i think it's something different from honesty. honesty is the truth of the words. sincerity is a tone of truth w/out necessarily being true.

Sincerity is conversational generosity. "I'm not going to make you work to discern my motives, or to try to put you at a rhetorical disadvantage; there's nothing in that for me."

that's assuming the other person doessnt find sincerity hard work

I can be sincere on my behalf and still not give a fuck how much work the other person has to do.

If I'm having a fight and somebody says "I don't doubt your sincerity" I always am thinking "yes you do, otherwise why would you say that"

Generally I read most assertions as insincere statements. "I'm not normally a nervous person" yes you are. "Something something pussy" you are trying to be cavalier about sex in an effort to front how uptight you are about it. "I miss you!" I've run out of things to say to you in this e-mail and I am trying to wrap up.

seems to me like you are engaging in a form of self-impoverishment so as to indemnify yourself against gullibility.

this reminds me of my niece, when she was about 13 years old, telling a story about how she and her friends would call and order pizzas for delivery to random addresses, as if this were hilarious, because the person was so gullible as to actually believe someone would call him up and order a pizza legitimately. my comment at the end of the story was, yes, you seem to have proved that anyone would be a fool to trust you.

Hm, I never thought about it like that! I don't know if that's the case, either. First, it's an instinctual reaction that I've only as an adult been able to identify, but it's been going on since I was a kid. Second, it doesn't mean "all people are liars", but rather that people, when making assertions, particularly verbal assertions of their own state of being, are prone to speaking aspirationally rather than with sincerity.

I mean, how many times in a relationship have you said "I love you" but what you're actually saying is "I need you to return my love right now", i.e.

Anyway none of this applies to sincerity in creative expression, which usually results in clenched buttocks

i guess we all mean different things and have had differing experiences of 'sincerity' makes u think

I mean, how many times in a relationship have you said "I love you" but what you're actually saying is "I need you to return my love right now", i.e.

or "i need you to return my love soon-ish, i'm putting a quarter in the machine for later."