Willow, Faith, Tara, Fred or River?

And then, on other days, Fred's implacable perkiness can cheer me greatly.

However, there are also those moments of fragility when all one really needs is a Tara.

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Of course, I should add Cordy and Inara to the list. Anya, being portrayed by a Republican, loses her glimmer.

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(or kaylee)

Bored now!

I think I can speak for the thread when I say eeeeeewww.

Indeed, Emma and Alexis have incredible comic chops.

Tara--er, Amber Benson--has the best voice by a mile, aside from Tony Head (who apparently has a CD out?)

Were I a goth-y 18 year old, River would rule my world.

Really--I have a life.

No one is counting Astonishing X-Men, eh?

It's also sort of interesting that Wesley Wyndham-Pryce is actually the most promiscuous core character aside from Faith and Spike. They imply quite a bit in the second season of Angel that he's having lots of random one night stands. Out of all the core female characters, Cordy got the least amount of action by far, and when she did have sex, it was always really tragic and difficult.

Wesley is possibly the most doomed character in the history of US TV. Sure, he gets some Lilah action--then he has to chop off her head. At some point in Season 4, I could imagine interviewing Denisof and him saying. " What do I do this year? I suffer horribly." What else? "That's it, actually."

And excuse me--the new, highly excellent Araki film is "Mysterious *Skin*".

I liked the look of Buffy's short-lived boyfriend at the beginning of season 3.

(Also it was a little distracting that the main characters were mostly played by people who were late period Buffy/Angel villains.)

I think Wesley suffers a bit more in season 3, and is more of a brooding, suffering badass in season 4.

Possibly. Or the part where she's played by Sarah Michelle Gellar.

Ha ha! Holy shit. I totally meant to say Buffy and Giles. Boreanz is the worst. That was a weird slip.

I think Angel would have flopped like Firefly had it not starred characters who were already known from Buffy.

Yeah, but the thing of it is, the characters from Buffy who moved to Angel were all really one dimensional on Buffy but were made into really wonderful three dimensional characters by the Angel writers. The first season is really shaky, but once the show finds its voice, I think it's actually a better show than Buffy.

Now Point Pleasant? That flopped.

I DON'T! I swear! It was a slip! See above.

Yeah, but the thing of it is, the characters from Buffy who moved to Angel were all really one dimensional on Buffy but were made into really wonderful three dimensional characters by the Angel writers.

Ugh, this I have to disagree with. Cordelia was funny as the character who always says what's on her mind but is absolutely unbearable as the touchy-feely new-age mother of the group. Wesley is just annoying period. At least on Buffy he was a joke but when they tried to make him a serious, tough character he became cringe-inducing. Spike was great on Buffy and still great on Angel (pretty much the only worthwhile part of the last season). Who am I leaving out?

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I mean, "Once More With Feeling"? "Hush"? "Objects in Space"?

Those eps alone prsent a pretty daunting counter argument.

Actually, I think Boreanz became a pretty swell comedic perdormer, but yeah--pretty much all-hunk. no-chops early on.

You're on crack!

Sometimes I think latter-period Wesley was the best character ever on a Whedonverse show.

And I love Giles!

Worst Buffy episode EVER! What I'm getting at though is that Whedon has great ideas but I don't find his signature clever dialog to really be all that. So I think the ideas work best within a show that already has a great premise. I still plan on seeing Firefly but it just doesn't appeal to me like the premise of Buffy did. I'm worried that it's mostly a vehicle for Whedonesque dialog and beyond that it's a pretty standard space show. Am I wrong?

And also about "Once More With Feeling."

And I should remind you that a character is a lot more than just an accent! (Or maybe I should be reminding the woman who plays Drusilla that instead...)

Good point, Matthew! I choose Emma.

I think that maybe part of why I like Wesley a lot is because I relate to him way more than any other character on Buffy or Angel. So there's that to contend with. But that mixture of arrogance, doubt, and self-delusion - trust me, they got it just right.

I really wish that they had been allowed to do a sixth season of Angel, because I would love to have had them take the Wesley/Ilyria story to its natural conclusion - Wesley realizing that he is more attracted to Ilyria than Fred, leading up to some other horrible tragedy.

Oh yes. But I was talking about reasonable people!

There is this whole scary vortex of crazy surrounding BtVS and Angel on TWOP (from both recappers and forum posters) that I pretty much disregard anything said there.

I like his version of Kitty Pryde a bit more. That character has been poorly written for nearly 20 years, so it's just great to have her back. I think Whedon is obviously way more into her than the other characters, but that can't be much of a shock since Buffy, Willow, and Fred are all basically different versions of Kitty Pryde.

I like Whedon's version of Kitty a lot too, but Emma seems to get the best lines.

I like where the story is going. It seems like everything should tie up rather nicely by issue 12 - all the Danger Room stuff, Emma's mysterious collaborator, the Breakworld, etc. After all, it was designed as a selfcontained 12 issue storyline. I'd just really like for them to do smaller stories in year 2/5.

It definitely felt like more was going on in Grant's version, but at the same time, I'm happier with Joss' steady pacing as opposed to the bizarre shifts in narrative pace and focus that plagued New X-Men following the Riot storyline. Planet X is a pretty good story that does a good job of ripping the idea of the Heroic Noble Magneto apart, but it is a total mess in terms of structure.

Why the River hate? I think she's a pip. Like when that prostitute is giving birth, and she peers into the woman's spread legs and inquires, "What's *inside* there?"

Firefly is much less immediately accesable than any of his other stuff. Were it not on DVD, I imagine I'd have tired of trying to recall week from week who was whom and doing what for what reason.

It's also the least Funny-Joss-dialogue centered.

Well, moderate money.

I'm perfectly content to watch Joss plug along at his own speed in AXM. If the story turns into something cool, great. If not, well, I'm still enjoying the one-liners and the team interaction and the art.

But yeah, some of the most memorable bits of the entire run are in Planet X and Here Comes Tomorrow. It's just too bad they weren't executed better than they were. I kinda wish that someone had bothered to edit Morrison! Just tell him "Um, this part makes no sense, and why did that character disappear and suddenly come back? Err, why did you skip out that important bit of information?" You know, stuff like that.

(ah, ok, cheers cis)

Which doesn't mean she's not cute as heck.