Howard 'will stand down'

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to allow a younger person to take over.

i'll be the first one to say 'nick griffin?'

― piscesboy, Friday, 6 May 2005 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure why the Tories ever thought they could win with a John-Major-a-like

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 6 May 2005 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Tony Blair should do the decent thing and resign from the Labour Party to run for the leadership of the party he should have been leading in the first place

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 6 May 2005 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

rory bremner watch out

― ja (_ja_), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Why doesn't he run without standing down from the Labour front job?

Do both?

That's going to appeal to him, surely?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

... I mean, Blair vs. Brown, it's what we all want!!!!!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Jack Straw free? He's not exactly left-wing anymore.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I hear Rusty Lee's free.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

john inman joke....

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

What age is Kilroy-Silk?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Max Hastings sez:

Though Europe has been pushed down the Tory agenda so far as to have become almost invisible, the ridiculous promise to renegotiate Britain's membership of the EU lurks like a cache of internet pornography.

LOL though honestly I think Europe's a dead issue.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

What age is Kilroy-Silk?

He's too busy out-Torying the Tories.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

rusty lee? eh?

― piscesboy, Friday, 6 May 2005 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Name Party Votes % +/- %
Richard Taylor Independent Kidderminster Hospital and Health Concern 18,739 39.9 -18.2
Mark Garnier Conservative 13,489 28.7 +9.6
Marc Bayliss Labour 10,716 22.8 +0.7
Frances Oborski Liberal Party 2,666 5.7 +5.7
Rustie Lee UK Independence Party 1,074 2.3 +1.5
Bert Priest Monster Raving Loony Party 303 0.6 +0.6

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Rusty Lee appeared in the UKIP party broadcast, complaining about immigrants.

this isn't the world i thought i'd be living in when, as a whelp, i'd watch rusty on TVAM.

― stevie (stevie), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

well..

She gets everybody laughing and she's got a lot of commonsense

says the bbc.

― piscesboy, Friday, 6 May 2005 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Ainsley Harriott available to stand?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Keith Floyd able to stand?

― $V£N! (blueski), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, David Davis next leader, someone even more nasty and right wing than Howard.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously though who will/would stand?

who's in the running? who might be?

― piscesboy, Friday, 6 May 2005 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

David Davis
Theresa May
Letwin

.... they're the only Tories I know... oh apart from Redwood, that would be funny!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

boris johnson currently 66/1 at ladbrokes

― debden, Friday, 6 May 2005 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

off how many overs?

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

William Hague: The Sequel?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/election/story/0,15803,1478074,00.html

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

my old next-door neighbour, whose kids i used to babysit for, became a tory mp last night. maybe him.

yeah, it'll be fkn davis, though. hague would be better.

― N_RQ, Friday, 6 May 2005 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

It'll be Malcolm Rifkind.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

David Davis: 5-2

not the fella who presented the bbc sports shows (shudders)
when i were a lad? not him *surely* to god?

― piscesboy, Friday, 6 May 2005 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

As I have said several times in the pub, it's like some horrible game of pass the parcel.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh I wouldn't mind Theresa May taking me over knoworrimean GENEVA FOUNTAIN

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

It'll be Malcolm Rifkind.

Oh no, no way, he's as much wedded to the Thatcher/Major years as Howard plus he has the most pompous voice in the history of the human race. Anyway, two Eastern European Jews in a row? Dunno about that.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

One who, judging by his performance in the King's Road last Saturday, thinks nothing of forcibly inserting blue balloons into the withered, uncomprehending hands of wheelchair-bound disabled Muslims.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 May 2005 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

did michael gove get in? ph34r that crazy fuck.

it *can't* be rifkind. surely? they need someone young and blair-like.

― N_RQ, Friday, 6 May 2005 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Rifkind will be a shadow cabinet 'heavyweight' I'd guess.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

He managed to come out of the last Government more or less unscathed, though (err..except for losing his seat). I don't think he's hated to anything like the degree that Howard is hated. And he's not too horrible, for a Tory.

Davis is the other obvious alternative. Which says something about the paucity of choice in the Tory party right now.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope all the aussies who clicked on this thread feel as ripped off as I do.

― Nellie (nellskies), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

ah, yes.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Which reminds me - there's always Amanda Platell, of course.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Shadow Health Secretary Tim Collins has a 'strong enough' persona though he may just come across as a 'nastier' Hague, hard to tell.

― $V£N! (blueski), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I think they might do better with another female leader. Although the choice of Theresa May and Anne Widdecombe isn't the most inspiring. Also, I don't want them to do well, so I hope they pick Oliver Letwin.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope all the aussies who clicked on this thread feel as ripped off as I do.
-- Nellie (nellskie...), May 6th, 2005. (later)

Yeah, way to get the majority of the population of Australia all excited, you lousy bastards!

― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, letwin would be a hell of a lot better than davis et al.

― N_RQ, Friday, 6 May 2005 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

(stevem xpost)

Harder still when, like Mr Collins, you've just lost your seat.

(hobart paving xpost)

The choice of Theresa May and Ann Widdecombe would kind of inspire me, albeit not in political terms.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Shadow Health Secretary Tim Collins has a 'strong enough' persona though he may just come across as a 'nastier' Hague, hard to tell.

That's right, he's an ex-MP (ex-post)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

That gay millionaire fellow.

― Masked Gazza, Friday, 6 May 2005 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Nigella Lawson!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

elton john?

― N_RQ, Friday, 6 May 2005 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

She gets my vote!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

... Nigella I mean, not that bitch Elton

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, nigella would get my vote, i fear, whoever she stood for.

― N_RQ, Friday, 6 May 2005 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't realise Collins had lost his seat. Most amusing.

― $V£N! (blueski), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Redwood was an All Souls Prize fellow, you know! He's still a fellow there, I just found out, today.

Will Clarke throw his hat in?

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

... shurely, will Clarke throw his fat in?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

He's probably beyond the pale in Tory terms and too old, but they should have went for Ken Clarke instead of Howard.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

If what i heard about hague is true
there's NO WAY he's going anywhere.

Know what i mean?

― Nothingtoseehere, Friday, 6 May 2005 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

clarke throwing his fat in! puke! sunday morning outside colchester chip shop or what?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Iain Duncan-Smith seemed quite willing to pick up the reins again during the coverage last night! He said himself "It doesn't matter who's leader", so he'd be a shoo-in.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant that guy who was involved in the london mayoral election, as in he wanted to be the tory candidate but lost out to Norris.

Cant remember his name...but I think he would be a votewinner.

― Masked Gazza, Friday, 6 May 2005 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

What, Jeffrey Archer?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Mind you re Collins, losing one's seat didn't stop Portillo being seriously tipped as little as two years ago.

― $V£N! (blueski), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - Surely David Burrowes? If the man who beat the man who beat Michael Portillo isn't a sign of the Tories' resurgent manhood, then who is?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

If what i heard about hague is true
there's NO WAY he's going anywhere.

Know what i mean?

It's pretty hard to go anywhere after sinking ten to twelve pints of lager on your lunch break.

― $V£N! (blueski), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Massow? Yeah the Tory faithful are going to be mad for an out gay man.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah Ivan Massow.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/862806.stm

as you say...little chance of getting elected leader however

― Masked Gazza, Friday, 6 May 2005 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

They really should get Boris Johnson in. The last 3 leaders have already done a pretty good job of making them unelectable, they might as well play it for laughs now.

― Steve.n. (sjkirk), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I would be astonished if we have an openly gay Prime Minister in my lifetime.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - Then they should have a Ranma 1/2 version of Boris.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, letwin would be a hell of a lot better than davis et al.
-- N_RQ (bl0cke...), May 6th, 2005.

He probably wouldn't be as horrible for the rest of us, but he does come across as rather a bumbling idiot. Better a bumbling idiot than a bloodsucker? Apparently not.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

nah, letwin is clearly more intelligent than, say, davis, who is pure and simple a thug motherfucker. he has trouble with the media because he is constrained: he can't say things like "spending cuts" because it looks bad. even though any government going through this economic cycle will have to make cuts.

― N_RQ, Friday, 6 May 2005 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The first party leader who says "spending cunts" instead of "spending cuts" will automatically get my vote.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

What about groovy pop kid Dr. Liam FoXoR?

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

If it is Tessie May and she gets to be PM, I will be well miffed about throwing that letter away. Maybe I should get her to send me another one. I could ask for an explanation of how she's going to make fair trade freer and free trade fairer.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Then they should have a Ranma 1/2 version of Boris.

YMOF, you manga-ist buffoon. Did you get back to sleep after we left this morning, btw?

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

None of these Tory shitehawks stand a chance against Harriet Jones (Flydale North) in 2014 incidentally.

― $V£N! (blueski), Friday, 6 May 2005 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

If they've got any sense, they'll take someone from the middle of the party in an attempt to force Prime Minister Brown to move further to the left in 2007.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 6 May 2005 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

How long before that's a reality, do you think? Will Blair do a full decade, just like She Who Inspired Him?

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 6 May 2005 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, on the other book that opened this morning in the betting world:

Blair to step down:

2005 12/1:
2006 9/4:
2007 5/4:
2008 3/1:
2009 8/1:
2010 or later 20/1

2007 sounds about right. It doesn't look like he's ducking because of the election, Iraq will be a dead issue by then, and it gives Brown two years to mould the party before the following election. Howard should be gone by December at a guess, and if the Lib Dems do switch Kennedy to Opik during the next four years, they'd do it late: 2008?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 6 May 2005 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Opik? Should I have heard of Opik??

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 6 May 2005 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.libdems.org.uk/party/people/person.html?id=36&navPage=inyourarea.html

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 6 May 2005 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Opik is very media friendly often on Radio 5Live

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 6 May 2005 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

he is VERY folk though...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 6 May 2005 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Lembit has played a prominent role in the recent debate on the future of foxhunting, being a key member of the Middle Way Group - whose proposals for a statutory hunting authority aim to balance animal welfare considerations against the importance of individual freedoms.

I'm not loving him so far.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 6 May 2005 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Davis could be leader, with Rifkind deputy. Party balance there.

― AdrianB (AdrianB), Friday, 6 May 2005 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Opik seems a bit too nice though. They need someone with the gravitas of Menzies Campbell but again he's too old and patrician.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 6 May 2005 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Ben Elton for next leader of the Conservative Party. You know I'm right.

― TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Friday, 6 May 2005 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Opik is one of the few politicians to get a laugh on Have I Got News For You without making themselves look like a bit of a prat.

― $V£N! (blueski), Friday, 6 May 2005 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

It really has to be Liam Fox so that all of the leaders are Scottish

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 6 May 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Blair won't step down before the end of November 2008, as that's when he'll pass Thatcher to become the 'longest sitting Prime Minister in living memory', or whatever the spin doctors will term it.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Friday, 6 May 2005 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

so a run down on the candidates for the tory leadership:

4 years ago the tories voted in the plonker with no personality IDS who then got ousted by Howard, who will be next the leader?

Malcolm Rifkind - associated with the Tory 80s/90s - dour, dull and lacking charisma. No chance of winning the tory leadership election nevermind the general election.

Ken Clarke - too old, not serious enough, stoopid laughing giggle, would voters trust this tubby Tory who would be a 69 year old to run the country in 2009? NO - another 4 years time and the Tories would be back to square one, trying once again to change and pick a new leader.

David Davies - Slimey typical Tory, may appeal to Tory party activists, but no one else. Another Tory election failure waiting to be activated.

Liam Fox - the candidate most seem to know little about.

Seems to be a good communicator, age mid 40s - recognises the Tories need to recapture votes of people in their 30s/ 40s and present a more modern image but wants to retain traditional tory ideas. Probably would do a better job than William Hague [2001] but no better than Michael Howard [2005] - would lose to Gordon Brown in 2009 as Fox is a typical right wing Tory who can't reach the centre ground of voters. Anti EU, lower taxes, smaller state, very pro-capitalism - and he reckons he can fix British society ? Offers a back to basics agenda: families are the cornerstone to a future society message. Yet his political agenda would only benefit the already privileged !

Liam Fox's hustings talk in full:
http://digbig.com/4ewfr

David Cameron - probably the best hope of the Tories for clawing some of the centre-ground New Labour voters back to the Tories. A good communicator, offers a "One Nation" so called moderate Tory agenda that is not that disimilar to some of New Labour / Third Way politics i.e social issues mixed with Capitalism.

David Cameron's hustings talk in full:
http://digbig.com/4ewgm

But will the Tory party members be brave enough to vote someone under 40 to lead the party ?

will the next general election be fought by Gordon "New Labour [sic] Renewed" Brown vs David "Moderate, Modern One Nation Conservative" Cameron Vs Charles "Liberal Democrat" Kennedy

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

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