we don't want no steeeeeeeeenking Democrats in our church ...

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baptist church in north carolina tells parishoners who voted for john kerry to repent or get to steppin'

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 6 May 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

today's episode of "stupid jesus freak tricks." let's hope that the folks at the I.R.S. who review the tax-exempt status of churches gives this political excommunication a REAL CLOSE look.

more re this here.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 6 May 2005 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

On the other side of the coin, I go to the UCC, in which one of my Republican friends has felt morally attacked. I did not think the post-election "Democrats have GOOD moral values!" sermon was quite appropriate, as church should bring people together instead of dividing them on party lines. Now I'm thinking maybe mentioning party names is not so good, but at the same time, things like taking care of the poor and not tolerating hate (yes, even towards gays) and environmental care ARE important values that you can't let politicians alone own.

Some forms of division, like kicking people out of your church, are pretty clearly bad. But maybe we can't get everyone to unify just by saying "look, we all follow Jesus," because differences DO seem important enough for us to get impassioned about. So what's the balance? I know this is a really cliched post, but it's bugging me.

Maria (Maria), Saturday, 7 May 2005 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)


Actually, you're right, Maria - that isn't really appropriate either way. I've attended a number of liberal and left-wing churches that talk about values like peace or justice, but endorsing parties or candidates is going too far. Especially since there are immoral Democrats and decent Republicans.

it's mashed potato time! (dymaxia), Saturday, 7 May 2005 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/church_politics

others have left, too, and the 9 voted out are pondering legal means.

you know what this means.... good christians will be under attack from them lib'rul activist judges and secular trial lawyers!

kingfish, Sunday, 8 May 2005 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

ONE GUY: *hits ANOTHER GUY*

ANOTHER GUY: OUCH!

ONE GUY: *hits ANOTHER GUY*

ANOTHER GUY: OUCH! *hits ONE GUY*

ONE GUY: Hey stop oppressing me for being Christian!

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't Christianity ultimately supposed to recognize that everyone is a sinner, and that they are all worthy of forgiveness? I mean you don't hear preachers saying "If you cheated on (or beat, for that matter) your wife, leave my church."

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

vaguely, yes.

We're dealing with extremely isolated case of nutjobs though, and the media is more than willing to feed them their attention these days, helping to further divide things. yay, media!

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 8 May 2005 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Pastor now back-pedalling, calling it all a "mis-understanding"

kingfish, Sunday, 8 May 2005 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder if someone told this clown that the church's tax-free status would be in jeopardy if he kept fucking around.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 8 May 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

He has resigned.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/10/church.politics.ap/index.html


Pastor resigns after political spat
Ousted congregants say he mixed politics and religion

Wednesday, May 11, 2005 Posted: 6:25 AM EDT (1025 GMT)

WAYNESVILLE, North Carolina (AP) -- A Baptist preacher accused of running out nine congregants who disagreed with his Republican politics resigned Tuesday, two days after calling the issue "a great misunderstanding."

Speaking from the pulpit during a meeting at East Waynesville Baptist Church, the Rev. Chan Chandler told church members that it would "cause more hurt for me and my family" if he stayed.

"I am resigning with gratitude in my heart for all of you, particularly those of you who love me and my family," Chandler said, adding that the dispute was rooted in his strong feelings about abortion.

Chandler's attorney, John Pavey Jr., said the pastor has not apologized for anything he said and would continue to speak out against abortion. He said the dispute inside the church had nothing to do with politics, a contention echoed Tuesday by Chandler's supporters.

"I don't believe he preached politics," church member Rhonda Trantham said. "I don't believe anyone should tell a preacher not to preach what's in the Bible."

But some congregants of the 100-member church in western North Carolina have said Chandler endorsed President Bush from the pulpit during last year's presidential campaign and said that anyone who planned to vote for Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry needed to "repent or resign."

The church members said he continued to preach about politics after Bush won re-election, culminating with a church gathering last week in which the nine members said they were voted out.

At Sunday's service, the 33-year-old Chandler said the flap over the church members' dismissal was "a great misunderstanding" and he tried to welcome them back.

"No one has ever been voted from the membership of this church due to an individual's support or lack of support for a political party or candidate," he said in a statement.

Blount Osborne, chairman of the church's elected deacons, said there was no warning Chandler would resign and the church had no severance agreement with him.

"That was surprising, him leaving as quick as he did. I didn't figure he'd walk that way," Osborne said.

Several church members said they agreed with Chandler on issues like abortion, but objected to him making those issues explicitly political in the church.

"I think everyone in there agrees with him on the issues. Politics was the problem," Carolyn Gaddy said.

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

You vote on church membership?!?!?!

Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Churches run like Survivor here.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a vision.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2005/05/pastor_billy_bo.html#more

Q: So if the pastor of East Waynesville Baptist Church didn't "excommunicate" the congregation's nine Democrats, what actually happened there?

A: In addition to the church invisible, the gathering of the saints there in East Waynesville, there is also the church material. There is a legal entity incorporated under the name "East Waynesville Baptist Church." This entity owns the building, pays the utility bills and makes sure the lawn gets mowed. As a tax-deductible nonprofit, this entity also has bylaws, which Pastor Billy Bob Torquemada has almost certainly violated by trying to kick out members based on how they vote in civil elections. That's why the supposedly ousted church members now have a lawyer representing their case. That's also why the pastor is now backtracking and saying it was all just a misunderstanding.

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Thursday, 12 May 2005 06:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Pastor Billy Bob Torquemada

holy shit that is the most perfect name ever, especially for this story...

latebloomer: the rebel sound of grits and bacon (latebloomer), Thursday, 12 May 2005 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

better than Reverend Bubba Savanarola?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)


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