Craigslist & Journalism

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Craigslist.org Founder Eyes Journalism

...The bare-bones site — a trusted resource for everything from finding roommates to selling used cars in 105 cities in 23 countries, charges for very few classifieds, doesn't serve up traditional ads and plans no major changes to its business model.

Instead, founder Craig Newmark told Associated Press editors and writers in a bureau visit, his newest fascination is community journalism.

Newmark hopes to develop a pool of "talented amateurs" who could investigate scandals, cover politics and promote the most important and credible stories. Articles would be published on Internet sites ranging from Craigslist to individual Web logs, or blogs.

Craigslist.org gets more than 4 million classified ads and 1 million forums postings each month, and Newmark — who no longer runs it but remains one of three board members — is often blamed for decimating classified advertising revenue at regional newspapers. But he says he has no desire to steal readers from mainstream media.

But he believes the reason why newspapers are losing circulation is that too many traditional journalists are willing to quote politicians and business executives even if they're blatantly lying — merely for the sake of perceived objectivity. He'd prefer an "open source" model of journalism where legions of volunteers act as writers, assignment editors and fact checkers to challenge mainstream journalists.

"People are looking for attitude and guts in reporting — not full-on gonzo journalism, but hey, tell us what you think," said Newmark, who described himself as having Whig values — strong on defense, fiscally conservative but socially liberal.

"Maybe Hunter Thompson had it right," Newmark said, referring to the late cultural icon whose rollicking, first-person narratives of drug addiction, the Hells Angels and the 1972 presidential election shook up the media decades ago...

yeah, but would this work, or would it be another Indymedia-style collection of vaguely discontented 20-yr-olds?

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Saturday, 7 May 2005 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha! If that.

This guy is getting delusions of grandeur, I'm afraid.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 7 May 2005 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Newmark hopes to develop a pool of "talented amateurs" who could investigate scandals, cover politics and promote the most important and credible stories. Articles would be published on Internet sites ranging from Craigslist to individual Web logs, or blogs.

Yes, a group of talented amateurs are going to put in 50-60 hour weeks to do the investigative reporting that major newspapers are cutting back on because it's too time-consuming and expensive.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 7 May 2005 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i thot craiglist got bought?

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 7 May 2005 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm pretty sure they did. By someone fairly large, right?

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 7 May 2005 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

if they did, i'd expect banner ads, tho...

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Saturday, 7 May 2005 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently it was Ebay, and they just bought a very large stake in it:

http://news.com.com/eBay+buys+into+Craigslist/2100-1038_3-5308911.html

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 7 May 2005 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The journalism thing actually reminds me a little of the successful actor who suddenly decides he's also a painter. I mean there's just no reason to assume that skill in one thing will translate into skill in the other. Until now, its expansion has followed pretty logically.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 7 May 2005 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the kind of thing that has me worried about the state of journalism and respected writing in general - the internet has established itself without checks and balances, and I have to wonder how many kids now use it wholly for research without questioning the integrity of source material etc. Do they teach that in schools? I keep thinking of Homer Simpsons Mr X website...

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 7 May 2005 06:36 (twenty-one years ago)

he's got some stiff competitiong

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 7 May 2005 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I think these kinds of things are interesting, and the more the merrier. But as a paid professional journalism guy, I've gotten in lots of arguments lately with nonjournalism friends about the potential and the likely limitations of such enterprises. As someone noted above, really good reporting is really hard work. The idea that a thousand or a million people all contributing their own little bits will somehow add up the equivalent of a daily paper or weekly magazine is a misunderstanding of how journalism works and what it does. That's not to say that such things won't produce something valuable, but it will be something in addition to, not in place of, "conventional" media (which itself is going to get less "conventional" as time goes on because of all of these same technologies).

Also, what Craig Newmark or anyone else will find is that a lot of what they think of as the problems and faults of "mainstream media" are to some degree inevitable consequences of trying to produce journalism. I look forward to him getting his letter accusing him of being a Tool of the Man. But at the same time, there are puh-lenty of deep and genuine flaws in the mainstream media, so there's certainly room for other people to get in and try to do good work.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 7 May 2005 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

O-T-M.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 7 May 2005 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Does this have anything to do with this?

Eric von H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 7 May 2005 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Hm I couldn't get past the first thirty seconds or so of that because the picture-perfect wide-eyed Wired-era technoutopianism had me puking into my own mouth too much, but I certainly hope that the future army of part-time amateur worker-bee reporters learn how to use their damn recording equipment properly to eliminate HISS and NOSE WHISTLING.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 7 May 2005 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

This sounds a lot like Wikinews, which doesn't seem to be getting off to a amazing start. It seems dependent on journalism students (who have the time and motivation for this), with their short supply and general bias in subjects.

Rhodia (Rhodia), Saturday, 7 May 2005 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

The reason the Institute for War and Peace Reporting works (that's the link I posted above) is because the journalists who write for it are professionals who are also deeply committed to a certain part of the world. They station themselves there and send stories back to whoever it is that they write for, but they always end up with more material on a daily basis than any normal magazine or newspaper is going to provide about, say, the Caucasus, so if they're hooked up with IWPR, they file stories with IWPR, always on a volunteer basis. The quality of the reporting is very high, but no one reads it except diplomats and aid workers and other journalists.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 7 May 2005 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm thinking ILM should branch out into free financial management.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 7 May 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

picture-perfect wide-eyed Wired-era technoutopianism

It's actually a satire of that very thing.

Eric von H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 7 May 2005 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, it is and it isn't. That was actually the thing that prompted one of my recent arguments about this, on a friend's blog. It's satire in the sense that this perfect point-to-point journalistic model evolves, but all people are interested in is fluff and effluvia. But its basic ideas of how the media works are so simple-minded that they undercut its ostensible point.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 7 May 2005 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Gypsy, where do you journalize?

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 7 May 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

At the moment, I copyedit for the wire service dept. of ye olde Gray Lady. In past, I've done reporting, editing and whatever the cat dragged in at an assortment of dailies and weeklies, alt- and otherwise.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 7 May 2005 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm thinking ILM should branch out into free financial management.

har! i can do mortgage stuff! give me beer, and i'll process your loan!

kingfish, Saturday, 7 May 2005 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)


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