http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/howart/programmes.shtml
I admit, I only started watching it to perve over Dr. Nigel Spivey but blimey, it turned out to be very interesting indeed! Talking about art and representationalism and how sculpture has *always* distorted body image from the Venus de Willendorf on (Dr. Spivey's dulcet tones noting on "enourmous breasts"). And how the actual distortions are expressions of culture.
Next week, he talks about pictures and after that, about symbols. And winks knowingly at the camera while walking through Egypt being turned into a living heiroglyph, his hair flopping and his Cambridge accent so lugubrious... ::swoon::
Anyway! Yes! Let's talk about How Art Made The World.
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 11:11 (twenty years ago)
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)
Thank you for completing the experiment Your resultsYour favourite type of art is Japanese ukiyo-e.
In the personality profile you had a high intellectualism score, which suggests you like to think about abstract ideas and have a creative imagination.
Find out more about your personality test results
People who are the same age and sex as you are most likely to prefer Impressionism
People who also score highly in your dominant personality trait are most likely to prefer Japanese ukiyo-e
Impressionism? UGH! But computer programmers like Japanese art, it is Proven By Science. Heh.
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)
I liked the seagulls and the spearfishing Italian bits though.
― Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)
People who are the same age and sex as you are most likely to prefer Cubism
People who also score highly in your dominant personality trait are most likely to prefer Japanese ukiyo-e.
― $V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)
― Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)
I mean, come on, is it really so surprising that humans, throughout the ages, have been obsessed with human form? no. he said it more than five times, though, in "this isn't entirely obvious"/"you have probably not yet realised" ways.
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)
― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)
I've been told I like cubism. I don't know anything ABOUT cubism! Or Japanese ukiyo-e, for that matter
Arty people, cubism S/D please. And Japanese ukiyo-e S/D while you're there, please.
How odd.
― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)
― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)
I had you down as a Spongecraft man.
― $V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)
Interesting. I would never have said this, but actually I think my sensibility does lean to Islamic secular. I've been married to a muslim, and the urban environments I like have an Islamic feel (Brick Lane in London, Kreuzberg in Berlin). I might have fallen into the ukiyo-e camp on art if the examples they'd provided had been less hackneyed and a bit more splashy and strange, or contained less blue-green and more pink-red.
And yes, Ken, the first Islamic painting looks exactly like something from Duchamp's Green Box!
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)
― Greig (treefell), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)
― The Irrelevant Man (Negativa) (Barima), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)
Willendorf's tits and arse are like red stripes on a lollyEgyptians were conformistsGreeks took Egyptian sculpture and ran with it
Not enough Interesting Facts to merit a whole hour of telly but then I got lots of Interesting Facts from University Challenge and that doesn't have baby seagulls, so the evening averaged out quite well.
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)
Your favourite type of art is Cubism.
People who are the same age and sex as you are most likely to prefer Japanese ukiyo-e.
I think Cubism is about right - I may have got Abstract but there were a couple of examples that I thought were below par (one had too much pink in it).
― emil.y (emil.y), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)
I am fairly fond of impressionism, but I really like minimal art and Dada more than anything.
― That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)
I thought most of those secular Islamic pieces were Dadaist or Surrealist things.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)
― That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)
People who are the same age and sex as you are most likely to prefer Japanese ukiyo-e
So far, 9537 people have taken part in this experiment.
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)
― Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)
I suspect I would have gotten NR (aesthetically similar to the NR paintings they use), except that I gave Brueghel the Elder's "Vase of Flowers" low marks for enjoyment. (Whatever that means - kind of an odd judge for artistic personality, isn't it?)
The only group that I really disliked (unsurprising to me) were the Impressionists. I really, truly just don't get the Impressionists (or else I'm blinded by 100 years of awful bougie culture rendering them wall-dressing).
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)
crosspost x2
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)
― Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 07:58 (twenty years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:10 (twenty years ago)
― zappi (joni), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)
Oh, why the Spivey haterz? He's a PROFESSOR OF CLASSICAL (SPECIFICALLY GREEK) ART AT CAMBRIDGE!!! Of course he's going to be biased in favour of Greek statues. Everyone is entitled to their biases - especially as he said quite clearly it was merely HIS opinion.
How weird, I thought the "secular Islamic art" was just plain abstract sub-Mondrianism which obviously I loathe. I very much like non-secular Islamic art, but I would, because of all the patterns and text and sacred geometry and things.
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Saturday, 21 May 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)
I love the Spivey.
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)
Spivy's not all that.
― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)
But SPivy's last words on the subject were about how it doesn't move him and how unimpressive it is, really.
The chap's fitness I am less qualified to comment on, suffice to say that he's too close to Peter Mandelson for comfort.
― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)
― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 10:40 (twenty years ago)
― N_RQ, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)
(I wonder if those were Spivey's daughters watching Babe with him.)
― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)
shit programme, still.
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)