I don't know how to do this. I'm a programmer, but not in anything like this. I've written plenty of basic HTML, and I'm a fast learner, but something easy to use is preferable. I'd rather not spend any money if I can help it, but will if it is necessary or I can get some much better tools for it.
So what's out there? What's free, what's worth paying for? Also, I'll need to think about hosting, and I know nothing about that either. All help will be gratefully received.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)
i'm not sure about web authoring packages lately as i only use Dreamweaver MX which is simultaneously a bit hard for novices and a bit rubbish for pros but i'm sure others can suggest good free or cheap software here.
so are we allowed to know what the site is for/about?
― $V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)
I use BT, which is somehow involved with Yahoo too, and I can't see where they offer webspace, but it does seem likely. I want to use a lot of high-res images, so space might become an issue really quickly.
Um, I kind of don't want to talk up the project here, because I can imagine either taking ages to get it going or starting it up and then not keeping the development going. It's not some brilliant idea anyone will pinch or anything, and no money involved. (Ask me when you see me next, Steve.)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)
Their Fireworks tool is good for the image manipulation/rollovers/javascript stuff.
Macromedia make a whole suite of all thesr tools (DW, Flash, Fireworks et al) that are fantastic for this sort of thing (I can hear proper html/CSS coders out there frothing in rage at me, but nehhh). Its expensive, but I'd say very well worth it to streamline large projects, especially if yr coding/html is rusty like mine.
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)
Really, just get a book on CSS / HTML. Forget abotu dHTML or JavaScript. not worth your time.
― giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)
If you can understand eclipse or Jbuilder you can figure Dreamweaver.
― Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)
Design in Photoshop - Export from Imageready
those dotted-underline links which just give you a little text box
Probably some CSS + Javascript? Find a site that does it, view source and copy their code.
lots of images, preferably clickable image maps too
Photoshop --> Imageready
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― $V£N! (blueski), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― ja (_ja_), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)
no need for DW tho.
― ja (_ja_), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rebekkah (burntbrat), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)
Oh, you will probably want to make sure that the webspace you're using either has php/mySQL installed or that you can install them--that will let you do lots of fun little tricks and such.
― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)
you can always see what you're making in the browser window tho?. i don't think i understand, but it's not an issue - i was just suggesting what i thought you might like. whatever you are happy with. really!
― ja (_ja_), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)
title of website
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― $V£N! (blueski), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― $V£N! (blueski), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)
otherwise, dreamweaver isn't bad. I use it all the time for one-off pages. you should still know html though or it can fill in a lot of weird and useless code. exporting from imageready: URGH. I hate this. I work on contract jobs with a designer an in the itnerest of getting stuff done fast and allowing her to bill as much time as I bill we do a lot of pages like this and then I just clean up the code and do whatever php work needs to be done. But imageready does the stupidest shit.
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― p-two, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― $V£N! (blueski), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― $V£N! (blueski), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)
* this may sound idiotic, but I don't use WTS at work more than a few times a year nowadays, so my password is noted down there with the other 95 (not an exaggeration - I think it's actually 97) I have cause to use.
Now I need to start planning the first pages, and some overall structural and design and writing principles. (I don't suppose there is any risk of this, but no one should be holding their breath in excited anticipation, as this will be, even if it's as good as I hope, of only mild interest to a handful of ILXers. And I'll have to do a fair bit before it's even worth offering a URL.)
Ha, I just tried my first choice of domain names, and while the com/net/org varieties are gone, I could go for .co.uk or .info, among others. I didn't know that latter existed. Is it designed for informational sites? Because that could be a decent category for what I am planning. Hm, and if I put a hyphen between the two words, only com has gone. Is there some principle of what extensions belong to what kinds of site?
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― slightly more subdued (kenan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)
Um, that's nice but those are both things Martin specifically mentioned in the original post. Use whatever you want I was simply throwing another option out there.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)
I only have to alter the one CSS file now to change all my pages look and feel. THANX iLX ONCE AGAIN!
― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 23 May 2005 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 May 2005 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 30 May 2005 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Monday, 30 May 2005 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 May 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 May 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 May 2005 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 May 2005 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)
Regarding little popup definitions, you should decide whether you want something that pops up when you simply mouseover the text, or something that pops up when you click. Think about how often you'll use this feature, how optional its use should be, and how much work you'll be asking the reader to do. Perhaps you want to hack the ABBR or ACRONYM tag (although this has problems in IE, and is really not the proper thing to do), or do a simple popup like this fellow does with his asterisks, but probably the most elegant solution is (yep!) create a new CSS class.
Check out the source code of the first paragraph in this page and see how the author uses the ABBR tag and a class called "help" to do what seem like the same thing. You can poke around his css and see how he did it.
― teeny (teeny), Monday, 30 May 2005 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 30 May 2005 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 30 May 2005 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)
Also, the O'reilly DHTML Cookbook is awesome. I have it on my desk & I check things in it all the time.
And if you want a nice graphics program that's not too expensive, buy Adobe Photoshop CS- should be about $100, but you're getting 90% of the USEFUL bits of the full version of Photoshop. I've used regular Photoshop a lot, but I have CS on my ibook these days because it works just as well for rendering web graphics. If I was going to go back to putting on shows of composited images and whatever, I'd probably go back to full Photoshop. The CS version is more than adequate for making buttons, cleaning up images, making logos, and so forth.
― lyra (lyra), Monday, 30 May 2005 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 May 2005 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 May 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 30 May 2005 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)
There's not much you can do in HTML to get around the image layout problem, other than using dreaded tables or just manually positioning your 'img' tags within the text body.
There is a site that produces fancy looking logo's for you, for free. I'll see if I can find it again but never used it myself so don't know how good the results are
― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 30 May 2005 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)
table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
That was the first place I looked, but it didn't look a likely explanation.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)
aaarghhhh YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!
― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)
Not sure how much space I will need. My first ten pages barely top 100kB, but I have biggish plans, so will definitely want 50MB in the medium term, and it might grow beyond that. Other than no fucking with my pages, what criteria are there beyond price? Any recommendations? How do I begin to guess at my bandwidth needs, which I assume are part of the deal? I'm not expecting my site to ever be busy.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)
There are a million hosts out there, so I can only recommend the ones I've used.
http://siteground.com/http://qwk.net
― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)
Something to remember about pop-up tooltips is that the ALT attribute in images automatically appears as a tooltip when you mouse over an image with Internet Explorer. If you create a custom tooltip with CSS and/or javascript you may get both the tip you created, PLUS the ALT text tooltip - so leave out the ALT text if you make your own tooltip.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)
CSS fixes it for everything in one shot: body { margin: 0; }
― joygoat (joygoat), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)
(xpost)
― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)
(oh, try the scripts in gimp: xtns in main main - script-fu - buttons / logos, defaults can be quite nasty but plenty of options to play with)
there appears to be a limit to how much of a title attribute text appears when you mouseover (this works with links as well as pictures btw, maybe even divs and spans (yep)) so it may not be suitable for handling the little popup definitions (um, firefox shows ~70 characters, IE all of them in one long line, both browsers undisplay them after a couple of seconds). a little javascript popup thing is only about 10 lines of code. (http://www.webafrica.co.za/kb/developers/tooltips_floating_captions.html is quite clever - it overrides the TITLE attribute using css so you don't have to change anything)
― koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 08:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)
ie is just ignoring the width=95% (and i must say i've never seen anyone use that before). generally resizing an image using a different width and height to its native size is a bad idea (browser has to download the entire thing (bandwidth problems) and then generally uses a bad (but fast) algorithm for the resize so it looks poor). much better to resize the picture yourself and use a fixed size.
― koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)
also http://www.positioniseverything.net/ is good for fighting with IE madness
― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)
― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 24 June 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Friday, 24 June 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)
ftp is available from dos command line (if such a thing exists in anything newer than w2k). but yes, filezilla much better
― koogs (koogs), Saturday, 25 June 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)
i'd be tempted to give the picture a row of its own within the main table so all the text will always be underneath.
― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)
(btw you have two close TDs after the image title.)
― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)