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Yeah, I think so. Everybody who was really interested in this got their games in pretty quickly. So, now we have a 12-player tournament, which only takes four rounds to determine a clear winner in this format.

ROUND TWO: WE'RE GOING TO LOCK AND LOAD, PRIVATE!

1. Julia vs. Dean Gulberry (aka Dr. Glen, whatever)
2. Rock Hardy vs. Edward O
3. Gravel Puzzleworth vs. restandrec
4. Dom Passantino vs. Pleasant Plains
5. Greig vs. Kirsten
6. Dan Perry vs. Sundar

on yr mark, get set, go

(Ed O, the sooner we can play the better, or I'll have to put it off entirely until after the first of Aug.)

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:31 (twenty-four years ago)

Sundar, hit me up via gmail; I should be around online this week to play.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:44 (twenty-four years ago)

three years pass...

Since people who aren't specifically looking for a game wouldn't check the "come play" thread, I'm starting one for this idea. Here are the last few posts at the other thread:

I would like to put a tickle in all the lit players' brains with these three words:
ILX LITERATI TOURNAMENT.

(Has this already been done before?)

-- Rock Hardy (crump...), May 14th, 2005 4:04 PM. (Rock Hardy) (later) (link)

I don't think it has been done before, but I'd be up for it.

-- d'ngullberry (melte...), May 14th, 2005 4:24 PM. (noisemeltdown) (later) (link)

I'm afraid I only played this about five times, and got irritated with the fact that the other player could create rules I didn't know about. I said every time that I was a rank beginner, then would get 'Oh dear you ran out of time'. But I didn't know there was a time limit! 'Oh yes, I put one on.' Fuck that, I thought.

-- Martin Skidmore (lonewolf.cu...), May 15th, 2005 7:51 PM. (Martin Skidmore) (later) (link)

Well, we'd set the tournament rules before anything was played. Yahoo's default is 3:00 per move, but I think tournament Scrabble is 20:00 per player per game. There are a lot of asshats out there who get opponents into a room and then change the timer after the opponent hits "start" but before they hit it.

-- Rock Hardy (crump...), May 15th, 2005 9:21 PM. (Rock Hardy) (later) (link)

I'd be interested, to see if I can actually play funny Literati when so used to Scrabble. Most tournament Scrabble games tend to be 25 minutes, but since you don't have to do scoring, 20 minutes is better.

-- edward o (edwardo...), May 15th, 2005 1:35 AM. (edwardo) (later) (link)

I've been thinking about format, and I like the idea of a March Madness style bracket. Seeding as such might not be possible, but it would be good to get a general idea of player ability so all the 2200+ (and equivalent among Scrabble players) rankings don't accidentally get bunched in one "region."

The worst thing about Literati is that some fucked-up letter distributions aren't just possible, they're common. Eight S's, 4 Q's, etc. I think each round should be several games (best of 3 or best of 5) to get a fairer competition without "park effects," as it were.

If anybody knows of a good online Scrabble server with an acceptable Mac interface, making this a Scrabble tournament would be okay.

-- Rock Hardy (crump...), May 15th, 2005 9:28 AM. (Rock Hardy) (later) (link)

Who's interested?

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 16 May 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

Sign me up!

What is to be the FORMAT?

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 16 May 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Still to be agreed-upon, but I had some ideas above.

Bad timing: I'm about to be away from my computer until the 27th.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 16 May 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

I can't play until the 27th either!

I am dreaming of minileagues. I always do, I suppose.

I think I might... prefer... literati to scrabble. One seems to have better letters more often, and you don't get those 2-0 blank splits.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 16 May 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

Okay, so far it's Dingle Berry, Edward O, Gravel, and me. And maybe Martin. Come on, all you tileheads, step up.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 16 May 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

I potentially interested, do you have a date/frame of time?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 May 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

I Tarzan.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 May 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

I'm interested.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 16 May 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

You can add me to the list.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 16 May 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

What's the timeframe here? I'm interested even though I can't remember if I've ever played Literati before.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 May 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

I'll throw myself in, even though I'm more of a Scrabble whore.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 16 May 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

How does early June sound? It could be a fairly relaxed affair once the brackets are made out — opponents can make arrangements via email or this thread to get together and play their match(es) whenever is convenient for both of them.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 16 May 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

William Crump ("rock hardy")
Dean Dingleberry Gulberry
Edward O
Gravel Puzzleworth
Gygax!
Ian John50n
Pleasant Plains
Dan Perry
Dom Passantino

...makes nine, maybe Martin makes ten. Let's say the next couple of weeks for saying "I'm in" and hammering out format, then playing in June? I'll try to find internet access a couple of times while I'm on the road and bump this thread to the top.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 16 May 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

FWIW: The first week of June is not possible for me.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 May 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

I'd play.

― kirsten (kirsten), Monday, 16 May 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

I'd be interested in playing

― Greig (treefell), Monday, 16 May 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

im so in!!

― charleston charge (chaki), Monday, 16 May 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

I'm in.

Julia is away from her computer for a few more days, but doesn't she play this a lot? Save a spot for her.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 04:34 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, maybe if it comes at the right time, as long as we don't play with time limits, as I won't be able to find slots where I can focus on this without any interruption. This doesn't imply that I'm slow and with fuck people around if I can avoid it, just that if a phonecall or AIM chat or something intervenes I can be delayed.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

Bump.

I'm back, Victoriaville was great, thanks for asking.

Martin, I think we have to have reasonable time limits on these games. 20 minutes per player per game, without a limit per move, is more than fair.

So far:
William Crump
Dean Gulberry
Edward O
Gravel Puzzleworth
Gygax!
Ian John50n
Pleasant Plains
Dan Perry
Dom Passantino
Kirsten
Greig
Chaki
Casuistry
Julia

I'd like to get a few more people in — at least 16 total. Anybody else interested?

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 27 May 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

thanks chris, yeah, i'm totally in. haven't played for a while, i'm not sure that i'm as good at this as i used to be...

― JuliaA (j_bdules), Friday, 27 May 2005 23:21 (twenty years ago)

Looks good! I think the time limit is fair.

How about this - best two out of three, over the course of a week. That way, we could account for time zone differences and personal schedules while still keeping the tourney moving along smoothly.

― Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Friday, 27 May 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

And yeah, I'd prefer Literati over Scrabble.

― Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Friday, 27 May 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

me 2 pls!

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 27 May 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

I'd prefer best 3 of 5 in each round to factor out some of Lit's crazy-nutty letter distributions, but if most folks think best 2 of 3 is enough, I won't argue. (xpost)

bnw, thou art includedest.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 27 May 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

I think that even in a week, playing three or more games might be too daunting. If we did do 3 of 5, we should maybe try to match the first bracket up by time zone or something to cut down on scheduling problems. Personally, I might be too busy for more than three games in a week. This is all assuming that I don't get routed by gygax!

― Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Saturday, 28 May 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

i'm playing this for the first time ever right now. i'm in!

― joseph (joseph), Saturday, 28 May 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm in!

― Huk-L, Saturday, 28 May 2005 07:24 (twenty years ago)

Updated:
William Crump
Dean Gulberry
Edward O
Gravel Puzzleworth
Gygax!
Ian John50n
Pleasant Plains
Dan Perry
Dom Passantino
Kirsten
Greig
Chaki
Casuistry
Julia
bnw
joseph
Huk

If anybody has any ideas about how to determine initial pairings, I'd love to hear them.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

'Sevilla' from here is a free tournament organiser thing, you could try that? Excited!

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

That looks perfect, but not available for Mac OS. Frowny!

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

How about this, then?

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Aaaargh, I somehow assumed that was for Mac. Ignore!

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

A piece of paper would work, also.

― Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

"Paper"...?

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

"Paper"...?

For Mac OSX

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

Memorial Day bump. Has everybody who hangs out on the weekend, and who might be interested, seen this?

Gravel, I've downloaded Spendid City. Still trying to figure out the options for an odd number of participants, a number that's not a power of two, etc. Has anybody else here run a tournament? I think I may be about to get in over my head.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

You can use a Swiss-pairing program for non-power-of-2 tournaments, but everyone would have to play 4-5 different opponents to get a final result.

― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

I was looking at the Swiss-style tournament and it looks like it could work, especially if each round was one game and not best-of-3. Everybody would have several games to average out crazy letter distributions, just not several against one opponent.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

You could do a Swiss and just put in the number of games won in a best-of-5 match-up - so the pairings would be decided on margin of wins rather than of scoring.

― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm definitely in over my head, because I didn't really follow any of that.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

No, no, I just explained it badly.

There are a couple of different flavours of Swiss. (ooh-er. Sounds a bit rude).

What generally gets done is that the field is sorted after game 1 first on wins, then on score. So the person who won their first game with the highest-score plays the person who won the first game with the second-highest score. 1 plays 2, 3 plays 4, 5 plays 6 etc until you get to the bottom, where the two players with the worst losses play each other. SUbsequent rounds follow the same pattern except you can't play someone you've already played. (this isn't technically Swiss, as I think that goes top-v-middle in every round, but I'm not that up on this stuff)

Instead of doing that, though, you could have people play rubbers of three games, and sort on that. I.e. 3-0 is the best result, then 2-1, then 1-2 then 0-3 as the worst, rather than using the score.

― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

Is that chess tournament style?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

Swiss sounds like a good way to go, really. Since we've gone over 16 players, it would take five rounds to determine a clear winner, if I'm reading my tutorial right, which would be 5-15 games for every player (depending on the criteria for determining the next round's pairings). Is everybody up for that much Lit action?

Maybe after the fifth round, the top two players could play a five-game cage match.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 02:41 (twenty years ago)

Weekday bump. Can we get to 20 players?

Tourney participants, would you post or email me your Lit screen names, and your ranking and/or W-L record if you have one?

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

http://www.the-elite.net/---/lit/relaxant.JPG

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

gygax0r!
Rating: 2110
Games Played: 1234
Wins: 679
Losses: 555
Games Abandoned: 45
Streak: won 2
Highest Ladder Position: 79

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 183 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

I mean really though, cheating at Literati???

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 05:02 (twenty years ago)

I think some people are really crazy when it comes to ratings.

― Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 05:24 (twenty years ago)

It's an anagram program. I've never seen it in action, since there's no Mac version. There are some cheat programs where you just enter your rack and it spits out all playable words. I believe there's another that somehow keeps up with your game and gives you your best play.

― Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

It certainly beats painstakingly studying the most likely racks until you can instantly recall the 7-letter-words playable with it. If you're a cretin, that is.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 11:10 (twenty years ago)

I think some people are really crazy when it comes to ratings.

-- Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr_...), August 10th, 2005.

This is remarkable to me, since there is nothing to gain materially.

The kid who accused me of cheating (and who probably was himself) actually followed me to my next game and tried to tell my opponent that I was a cheater. I told him "you must have an exciting life," and he left.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

I assume the next version won't even require you to be at the computer at all.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

I forgot all about this!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone know if mostlyconnect@gmail.com is Gravel's actual email address? He hasn't responded to my emails.

― RR (restandrec), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

It is Gravel's right address, I used it to contact him when I played him last round.
He was using a shared computer, though, and he was finding it hard to get time online.

Kirsten, you around? Contact me on treefell at gmail dot com to arrange a game.

― Greig (treefell), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Greig; we've now made contact and should be playing on Sunday.

― RR (restandrec), Friday, 12 August 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)

Gravel, are you there? I'm at table 43 in Articulate.

― RR (restandrec), Monday, 15 August 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

arse arse there now!

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 15 August 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

(well loading applet)

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 15 August 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

ok after shambolic flakiness on my part, and infinite patience on his (shared computer hell ends in a week!):

RR 141 - 288 GP
RR 208 - 273 GP
RR 203 - 237 GP

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 15 August 2005 03:51 (twenty years ago)

Dom, are you ready to face the challenge of Pleasant "Set Voice for Stun" Plains?

Kirsten and Greig, have you played?

Dan & Sundar and Julia & Dean, have you played your 3rd games?

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 18 August 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

nope

― The Ghost of Dean Gulberry (dr g), Thursday, 18 August 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

I've just emailled Kirsten as I've had no contact from her as of yet. Hopefully we'll get our games in soon.

― Greig (treefell), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:55 (twenty years ago)

I think Dan and I missed each other last time. I should have full Net access next week if it can wait till then.

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Greig vs Kirsten

Game 1: Kirsten 206 - Greig 186

Game 2: Kirsten 185 - Greig 185

Game 3: Greig 242 - Kirsten 214

I think we both agreed that they were great games

― Greig (treefell), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

Game 3: me 194, Dan 171

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 25 August 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

Dom P. and Pleasant Plains, please play some games, kthx. Also, Dean and Julia, one more plz.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 25 August 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

Round 2 incomplete standings:

1. Edward O: 3-0 (1092 pts.)
2. Gravel Puzzleworth: 3-0 (798)
3. Sundar: 2-1 (660)
4. Greig: 1.5-1.5 (613)
5. Kirsten: 1.5-1.5 (605)
6. Dan Perry: 1-2 (552)
7. Rock Hardy: 0-3 (814)
8. RestandRec: 0-3 (552)

Two sets of results still to incorporate.

814 pts. and no wins to show for it is a hard pill to swallow. Ed's a monster.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 26 August 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Is this tournament dead?

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm ready to play whenever. Name a time PP.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Is ten o'clock CDT too late for you?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

(A little less than five and a half hours from now.)

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

That'd be.... four AM GMT? Can you try any earlier?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

I work from 1700 GMT to 0130 GMT. What time outside of that frame would be best for you?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

1:31GMT?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, if that's cool with you.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

I'll try to get on a little early for you. I'll check back to this thread when I'm finished with work.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Dom, I'm in Social Lounge 17, Table 2. Username is Acewhiskey.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 29 August 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

On my way.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 August 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

At a later time (I'm still working) will somebody be willing to teach me this game? I am a good scrabble player and I know it is similar, but I am timid to enter the game room "alone" and clueless lest I make an ass of myself. I'lll check back later.

― Wiggy (Wiggy), Monday, 29 August 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

239-225 to Pleasant in the first.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

I'll write you later about Game 2, Dom. The java of yahoo was getting my computer.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)

wiggy--it's pretty straightforward if you're good at scrabble, just takes some getting used to small differences...i'll play you sometime if you like.

dean, i just emailed you.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

I apologize for my failure in, uh, basic competence.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 03:19 (twenty years ago)

Causistry don't sweat it, how hard can it be. We will get it and -- Juulia says she'll help. I just gotta find a time where I can do it and concetrate. My email is legit if you want to discuss a time to mee in the yahoo games forum and give it a shot.

― Wiggy (Wiggy), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

Did we get through round 2 while I was gone, he asked unconfidently?

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

bump

The tourney is dead on the operating table. Maybe Dean, Julia, Dom or Tre have a defibrillator?

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

we have one game left
i've been busy with things
i might be able to get a game in soon

― the son of dean cameron (dr g), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

In a funny sort of way, I discovered that I prefer my opponents not to have names.

Dom and I had two more to go, but we're too busy with rock trivia right now.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

i tried emailing dean but it didn't go through. we only need a third game...dean, could you email me?

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

will do

― the son of dean cameron (dr g), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 16 October 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Yeah.

― William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 16 October 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

I'd be up for playing in the next tourney.

― Eazy (Eazy), Sunday, 16 October 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

I think next time ILX should try to organise a piss-up in a brewery.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 16 October 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

I like the new name wc!

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 16 October 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

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