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Ingrates.

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5793882&cKey=1116379233000

joyous cherub, Thursday, 19 May 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah. I keep forgetting that he's President.

diedre mousedropping and a quarter (Dave225), Thursday, 19 May 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

Bush is OTM about not giving a shit about polls. He just got re-elected, he has both houses of Congress and the Supreme Court on his side, his war in Iraq continues unabated, he's still raising record amounts of money for his party, and despite hem-haw's from some folks, his appointees and judicial nominees are going to get their positions.

Why should he give a shit about polls? Give me all that and then tell me that the country hates me, and I wouldn't give a shit either.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 19 May 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

congress should worry though.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

God damn straight Congress should worry and bloody well about time they did.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Those polls are crap anyway, as we have learned all too well. People wring their hands and say, "Oh, I don't know about this one..." but they'd vote for him again in a split second. Twice if they could get away with it.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

well in general i'm not sure if a lame duck prez should care much about polls except that he could have a whole new (well at least 1/3rd new) congress for the last two years of his term.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

That's next time, though. However, he is sitting real fucking pretty until January, 2007. I'd be sleeping very comfortably on my fancy special little pillow, if I were him.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

i don't agree. i think there's been a lot of gop resistence, not to mention the dems growing a pair, to some of bush's "signature" moves for his second term (ie. social security, etc.).

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

Yep, the wheels are falling off. We've discussed this.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

http://www.collectorscum.com/8tracks/clash_rope.jpg

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Righty-O. Bush doesn't worry much about Congress getting re-elected. He'd tear down half the world if it looked like a rewarding move for his core constituency - megacorporations and evangelicals.

But Congress does worry about getting re-elected and it's a damn good thing they do, too. If Bush burns down the barn, he gets to leave for greener pastures. Congress would have to live in the smoking hulk.

What worries me is that megacorporations and evangelicals are the core constituency for most of Congress. The evangelicals deliver the first half of the required votes and the corporate cash and propaganda machine delivers the other half. Recently, this coalition only fails when the propaganda machine can't manage to paper over the truth well enough to deliver that second half of the vote.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Regardless of BushCo's feelings on these numbers, all I know is the following:

1) Social Security reform = stinkbomb
2) Terry Schiavo = stinkbomb
3) Nuclear option = stinkbomb-in-waiting
4) Iraq fallout = silent but deadly, and chronic

And no doubt I'm missing some other fiascos.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Fiascos in the wings: pension defaults by big corporations which end up in the lap of the federal government, and the Medicare prescription-drug benefit. Combined, they could bankrupt the country in about 5 minutes flat.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050517-122418-5719r.htm

Buchanan sees 'war' within conservatism

By Ralph Z. Hallow
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Pat Buchanan speaks of American conservatism in the past tense.

"The conservative movement has passed into history," says the one-time White House aide, three-time presidential candidate, commentator and magazine publisher.

"It doesn't exist anymore as a unifying force," he says in an interview with The Washington Times. "There are still a lot of people who are conservative, but the movement is now broken up, crumbled, dismantled."

. . . Mr. Buchanan, a former adviser to Presidents Nixon, Ford and Reagan, says conservatism "is at war with itself over foreign policy, over deficit hawks versus supply-siders."

. . . He suggests that in some respects, traditionalists might be fighting for a lost cause. "We say we won a great victory by defeating gay marriage in 11 state-ballot referenda in November," he says. "But I think in the long run, that will be seen as a victory in defense of a citadel that eventually fell."

As he later says, "I can't say we won the cultural war, and it's more likely we lost it."

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

http://www.historywise.com/kotrain/courses/autobios_images/lbj36-063.jpg

Lyndon Johnson was broken by Vietnam and died within a couple years of leaving the presidency. I imagine Bush will be around for a long, long time.

andy --, Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Yep, the wheels are falling off. We've discussed this.

Yeah, I think that we were discussing this about seven months ago, right before Election Day.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

The thing I hate the most about the Bush administration is that it turns me into this ultra pessimistic bastard who keeps wishing for awful things to happen just so people can see what a horrendous and awful president Bush is. Somehow I think even if this was to happen, the odds of people seeing the light is still pretty low.

Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

1) Social Security reform = stinkbomb
2) Terry Schiavo = stinkbomb
3) Nuclear option = stinkbomb-in-waiting
4) Iraq fallout = silent but deadly, and chronic

And no doubt I'm missing some other fiascos.

True, but never (mis)underestimate the Democrat's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Also don't underestimate the average American's complete and utter inability to reconginze something that is in their best interests in the long run.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Um, if we give him any more rope he'll be able to tie a nice tidy bow around the planet, tie up all the residents of an oil rich third world country while stealing thier shit, and still have enough left to waterski behind his speedboat.

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

why would anyone who voted to re-elect Bush be disappointed or even surprised by Schiavo, Iraq, nukes or Social Security? they all seem consistent with his previously-expressed intentions and/or views.

the only move that I'm genuinely surprised the Republicans would even dare to dream about, much less try, is the filibuster thing.

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

You should hear the radio ads that are running in support of the nuclear option. The "Let's just let the Senate have their vote" mantra repeated over and over again probably makes sense to someone who long ago slept through their Civics I class.

So, no, I don't expect there to be an outrageous outcry from the American public about the filibuster.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/images/2005/05/19/Fox_Dems_Hate_Owen1.jpg
(From Kos)

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

The threats of the "nuclear option" will disappear as soon as Bush figures out that pushing for it means Democrats will block the almighty righteous cause of asbestos liability reform.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

I hate that woman because she looks like a pompous old man!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

So, no, I don't expect there to be an outrageous outcry from the American public about the filibuster.

http://www.savephil.com

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Phil A. Buster and his friends Checks and Balanz. I find something alarming about the use of a Schoolhouse Rock ripoff to talk about a serious political issue.

j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1456823,00.html

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

I hate that woman because she looks like a pompous old man!

even worse ... her legal views are those of a pompous old man -- from the 19th century!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

Ha - I wonder if the poll numbers are so low primarily because of gasoline costs?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

They've been pretty high for awhile now.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

(The cost of gas, I mean.)

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

it's at an all time low now..

until the next time it's at a newer all-time low.

etc.

etc. etc. etc.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

He was a sweet and tender hooligan
And he swore
He'd never ever do it again
Of course he won't...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Democrats need to learn not only to be better attackers, but to look noble and pure while attacking.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 19 May 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

Democrats need to fund a chemical that will cripple the reproductive functions of extreme Christian fundamentalists.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

(although I'm hardly being serious, I'm not even sure that would help.)

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)


I hate that woman because she looks like a pompous old man!

Haw ha!

Vichitravirya XI, Friday, 20 May 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

What the hell does Santorum's quote this even MEAN?


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WASHINGTON (May 19) - Republicans and Democrats injected racial politics into the struggle over President Bush's judicial nominees and the Senate's filibuster rules on Thursday, underscoring partisan differences while compromise-minded senators from both parties pursued an elusive agreement.

''The attempt to do away with the filibuster is nothing short of clearing the trees for the confirmation of an unacceptable nominee to the Supreme Court,'' said Democratic leader Harry Reid. He accused the president of an attempt to ''rewrite the Constitution and reinvent reality'' with his demand for a yes-or-no vote on all nominees.

Countered Republican Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, ''It's the equivalent of Adolf Hitler in 1942.'' He said Democratic protests over Republican efforts to ensure confirmation votes would be like the Nazi dictator seizing Paris and then saying, ''I'm in Paris. How dare you invade me. How dare you bomb my city. It's mine.''

Vichitravirya XI, Friday, 20 May 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

so the dems "injected racial politics" how, exactly?

Sym Sym (sym), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)

What the hell does Santorum's quote this even MEAN?

it means that i will KILL my sister if she votes for this assclown next year.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

Your sister voted for him before?! I think my entire family in Pgh voted against him before...I've been out here too long to not have gotten a chance.

I still have respect for Good ol' Senatpr Arlen Specter though, who should get credit for trying to head the meager group of remaining moderates and broker some sort of compromise out of this insanity; the right-wing loathes him. I wonder what the two senators think of each other? I heard on the radio today that Specter lost all his hair in his battle w/ cancer, but he still plays a game of squash every morning! So he gets props for that too.

Vichitravirya XI, Friday, 20 May 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

haha, Santorum even broke an ancient AOL chat room coda, for fuck's sake.

donut debonair (donut), Friday, 20 May 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)

i.e. making a Hitler comparison

donut debonair (donut), Friday, 20 May 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)

Ned, not until the next time...

The thing I hate the most about the Bush administration is that it turns me into this ultra pessimistic bastard who keeps wishing for awful things to happen just so people can see what a horrendous and awful president Bush is. Somehow I think even if this was to happen, the odds of people seeing the light is still pretty low.
So, so utterly true.

... And suddenly Ian Riese-Moraine is a naked man saying, 'Volvo! Volvo!' (Easte, Friday, 20 May 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

What I find most interesting is that Bush's numbers have trended downward for more than a year, with one outrider date - election day.

plebian plebs (plebian), Friday, 20 May 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

In that picture of Lyndon Johnson HE'S CHECKING HIS PALM PILOT*! I smell MISINFORMATION!

*or pwning Bowser, possibly, hard to tell

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 20 May 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

I figured it was one of those old blip football games.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
Yep, the wheels are falling off. We've discussed this.

--Rickey Wright (rrrickey@aol.com), May 19th, 2005.

Yeah, I think that we were discussing this about seven months ago, right before Election Day.

-- Pleasant Plains /// (pleasant.plain...), May 19th, 2005.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 18 September 2005 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

six months pass...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3523/mar6bc.gif

+++, Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Show me the Hillary map.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 30 March 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

GET WITH THE PROGRAM, UPPER MIDWEST

Dan (So Ashamed) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 March 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

q: what do they got for brains in boise?

a: idaho!

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 30 March 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

why would you have a national map to show approval for a new york senator

+++, Thursday, 30 March 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

i mean you could but its hardly comparable

+++, Thursday, 30 March 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

T/S: Bush's approval rating vs the vote percentage Alan Keyes got in Illinois

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 30 March 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

I can't help but infer that by having the map painted in two shades of color, someone's trying to convince me that Indiana would vote Democrat now.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 30 March 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

ah, here we are, comments from October when Bush was way up at 37% and babbling on about how violent radical islam is like communism or some shit.

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 30 March 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

I can't help but infer that by having the map painted in two shades of color, someone's trying to convince me that Indiana would vote Democrat now.
If they did it on a white to blue scale with white indicating lower support the united states would look ghostly

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Thursday, 30 March 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Rather than swing Democrat or Republican, I'd rather a state secede from the Union.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 30 March 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

let's blow up Utah and call it even Alfred.

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 31 March 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, Utah is too beautiful a state geographically to destroy. What's a lame one all around we can dump?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 March 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

Florida.

Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Friday, 31 March 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm, I'm game with that, but only if we preserve the Everglades and the Keys.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 March 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, Utah is too beautiful a state geographically to destroy. What's a lame one all around we can dump?

I've got just the place. Give me an excuse to get out, please!

pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Friday, 31 March 2006 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

I'm actually shocked that Idaho is below 50%! Unless Moscow had exploded into a rabbit-paced sprawl of students or something...

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Friday, 31 March 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

That said, Washington and Oregon are dismally high here... WTF peeps

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Friday, 31 March 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

big ups to arkansas

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 31 March 2006 06:29 (nineteen years ago)

ohio where were you

sleep (sleep), Friday, 31 March 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

Pasadena where you at

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 31 March 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Pasadena isn't a state, Mark.

Dan (Helping) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 31 March 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

note that Bush hataz != dem lovaz

o rly ya rly no wai!

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm actually shocked that Idaho is below 50%! Unless Moscow had exploded into a rabbit-paced sprawl of students or something...

So, I assume that Moscow is one of the more Bush-unfriendly areas of Idaho, correct? Cause I might be moving there, and I'm curious.

joygoat (joygoat), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

I feel good about feeling so blue.

My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20060602/a_bushbase02.art.htm

Bush tries to regain his footing on once-rock-solid conservative base

By David Jackson and Richard Benedetto
USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Whether President Bush is talking about a get-tough border policy or the importance of judicial restraint — he discussed both Thursday — he is sure to throw in an appeal these days to wavering conservative supporters.

Bush and his aides are playing up items such as tighter borders and judges who “administer the law” rather than make it, seeking to reconnect with conservative Republicans whose support has shrunk in recent polls — and whose votes will be critical in this fall's congressional elections.

Bush used to be able to count on overwhelming support from Republicans and conservatives, but the Iraq war and a variety of other issues have eroded that backing.

A May 5-7 USA TODAY/Gallup Poll found Bush's approval among Republicans at 68%, down from 85% in early January. Among conservatives — who also include some Democrats and independents — Bush's support fell to 52%, from 73% in January.

Now the White House is on a campaign to get that support back. Some examples:

On Thursday, the White House staged a special Rose Garden swearing-in for Brett Kavanaugh, recently confirmed by the Senate for a seat on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. The White House fought a three-year battle to confirm Kavanaugh. He has been a priority for conservatives but anathema to some Democrats, who noted his role as an aide to independent counsel Ken Starr during the impeachment of President Clinton and said he was too partisan to be a judge.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., described him as a “political pick being pushed for political reasons.”

Another White House event will occur next week when Bush will talk about the importance of a constitutional amendment that would bar gay marriage by defining marriage as being between a man and a woman, a major issue for social and religious conservatives.

The president is scheduled to renew his call for a line-item veto, arguing it will help him rein in the runaway federal spending that has been another nagging source of conservative discontent. Bush has also challenged the GOP-controlled Senate over extra money in a special spending bill for the costs of wars and hurricanes. The House passed a $92.2 billion measure, but the Senate added about $14 billion. “If they bust the $92.2 billion, I'm going to veto it,” Bush said Thursday.

Bush's backing for a “comprehensive” overhaul of immigration laws infuriates some conservatives because it includes proposals to allow illegal immigrants to work here temporarily and would permit some to seek citizenship. Recently, though, Bush has emphasized tougher border enforcement and a crackdown on companies that hire illegal immigrants, both strongly supported by conservatives. In a speech Thursday to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce here, Bush said, “We don't have full control of this border. And I'm determined to change that.”

Says Republican strategist Rich Galen: “What (the Bush administration is) doing is reaching back out to the people who elected them in the first place.”

GOP consultants say renewing conservative support could help Bush raise his approval rating, which hit the lowest point of his presidency — 31% — in early May. It could also make a difference this fall, when conservative turnout will be crucial to Republican hopes of retaining Congress.

Republican pollster Bill McInturff says his polling shows that rank-and-file conservative Republicans still support Bush by about 80%. He acknowledges that vocal “radio talk show conservatives” — those who listen to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others — are angry with the president over immigration and other issues.

McInturff says Bush needs to reach out to conservatives on border security. “The public needs to be more assured that more is being done to stop illegals from entering the country, and penalizing employers who hire them,” McInturff says.

Democratic strategist Jenny Backus says she has noticed Bush's new “dance moves” with conservatives. She adds that worries about White House leadership on issues such as the Iraq war cross ideological lines, and Bush may not be able to win back his core supporters if he can't fix that.

“The (conservative) base cares about Iraq, too,” Backus says.

A key test for Bush is whether conservative Republicans show up at the polls this fall. GOP strategist Tom Edmonds says that while most disillusioned GOP conservatives won't vote for Democrats, they could “sit on their hands” and rob GOP candidates of the votes they need to win.

“Time is on our side,” Edmonds says. “We don't need to make wholesale changes. We just need to kind of get our act together.”

GOP consultant Charles Black says that despite all Bush's political problems, the president remains a potent fundraiser.

“In some places, we will have to outspend our opponents,” he says. “We just have to make sure everyone has enough money to do that.”

and what (ooo), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

This is going to be one long extended death rattle.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

a special Rose Garden swearing-in for Brett Kavanaugh, recently confirmed by the Senate for a seat on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

ah FUCK

who noted his role as an aide to independent counsel Ken Starr during the impeachment of President Clinton and said he was too partisan to be a judge.

hang on, hang on, that wasn't the reason at all. the actual reason was that the guy was a complete Michael Brown who'd never been, y'know, an actual judge before. he was a political douche being stuck there just to help out when all the appeals of indicted Bush Admin figures start chucking thru the system later on.

the Ken Starr affliation was just more shit on the cake.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)


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