Doctor Who SPOILERS, Rumours and Speculation Thread (Contains REAL ACTUAL Ep13 Spoilers)

Villain in Boom Town? The much trumpeted "someone the Doctor thought long dead"? Margaret Slitheen. Yes, I thought so too.
Location and villain in Bad Wolf/Parting Of The Ways? Back on Station 5, with a reveal the Daleks were behind The Long Game. And the appearance of an iconic dalek figure. And "thousands" of daleks, the Doctor having been wrong about the dalek in Dalek being the last one. And the Reality TV segment.

Oh, and this week's Radio Times is reporting David Tennant is about to start filming as the Ninth Doctor (my emphasis).

Plus, did you know that Jack Harkness is the name of a famous rose breeder. That's 'Rose Breeder'. After all, The Doctor is half human, and Captain Jack is a "time agent", which incidentally is how Greel refers to The Doctor in Talons Of Weng-Chiang, and he was from the 51stC - where Jack claims to be from... but that's fanwank speculation.

-- aldo_cowpat (aldo.cowpa...), May 24th, 2005 1:20 PM. (aldo_cowpat) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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Cybermen back in season 2 apparently. (like we couldn't have guessed).
"iconic dalek figure" - booo. Hope we get a proper OMG it's the daleks cliffhanger.

Radio Times copywriter failure causing hysteria = roffle.

Luv the fanwank obv.

-- Tom (freakytrigge...), May 24th, 2005 1:29 PM. (Groke) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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Villain in Boom Town? The much trumpeted "someone the Doctor thought long dead"? Margaret Slitheen. Yes, I thought so too.
Yes, that's a bit crap. I was hoping it would be the psychic servant girl from "The Unquiet Dead" at least.

-- Philip Alderman (spleetl...), May 24th, 2005 1:32 PM. (Phil A) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/images/12strip.jpg

(I'll make you click the link, because if genuine I really don't want someone who doesn't want to see it to see it by accident)

This ties into some vague hints by the actor about future appearances "if x is alive", and also fixes some potential plot inconsistencies as is. I hope it's teh Beeb being clever though, and this isn't true. Worse than Margaret Slitheen, if it is.

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Has everyone seen:
http://www.badwolf.org.uk/

Sorry if 1) this has been posted before, and 2) if it should go on the spoilers thread, but although it highlights lots, I don't think it gives anything away that asiduous viewers won't have gathered already.

-- h. (hum...), June 6th, 2005. (later)

This website is actually a source of some great stuff. Firstly, highlighting the bottom of the disclaimer page produces this:

Rose - are you there? Are you getting this? You've got the point, haven't you? Rose...?

Hidden in the audio is the William Blake poem "The Sick Rose", slightly altered:

O Rose, thou art sick!
The invisible worm
That flies in the night,
In the howling storm,

Has invaded thy crimson bed
And thus thy life destroyed

This is increasing speculation Mickey is in fact the Bad Wolf - think of Gwyneth, she says Rose has met the Big Bad Wolf by then which pretty much narrows it down to The Doctor, The TARDIS, Mickey or Jackie - since the Bad Wolf site is linked from Mickey's 'Who Is Doctor Who' site.

So, Captain Jack knows about the Daleks then, and recognises their ships? How is this linked to his "two years" of missing memory as a "Time Agent"? Perhaps the hints above as to how Magnus Greel referred to The Doctor may be an indication.

Oh, and this is the IMDB cast entry for "The Parting Of The Ways":

"The Parting of the Ways" Episode: #1.13 - 18 June 2005
John Barrowman .... Jack Harkness
Nicholas Briggs .... Daleks (voice)
Noel Clarke .... Mickey Smith
Camille Coduri .... Jackie Tyler
Norman Lovett .... Davros
James Melody .... The Watcher

Regeneration ahoy!

Plus, compare and contrast:

http://www.aggedor.com/images/Destiny_of_the_Daleks/davros_1.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/07gallery/800/20.jpg

The detail I'm trying to bring out is the centre of the forehead.

A CERTAIN CELEBRITY GOSSIP SITE with good access to casting calls are reporting McGann is in the Christmas special. Of course, adding weight to this (possibly) is the two notable absences from Confidential. Bruno Langley has been missing, but everything points to him being in the last two episodes - so if MCgann is missing as well...?

Plus, in this report's fanwank element - as I alluded to in the main thread, the heart of the TARDIS returns Margaret Slitheen to egg state. Who gets trapped in the Eye Of Harmony in the TV Movie? And he's looking for a body to taken over, as in Keeper Of Traken. Add this to strong rumours that The Master is indeed back in the next series and you have a half-decent theory.

Apparently he is immortal or virtually so, as old as the Universe, has several children though they only live normal lifespans, and he has a secret which he will tell only to a "wandering lonely traveller". Blimey eh!

What if Jamie turns out to be Rose's grandad, and the reason her touch and no other revived the dalek is because her genetic structure still had nanites in it?

And the girl we see suspended by the wires in the trailer for Bad Wolf is the now heavily mutated kaled (while didn't explode, but teleported away - Rob Shearman has said it died in his version of the script but the production team "changed that") who has somehow managed to locate any remaining dalek factions and call them. Or something.

In actual news, TV tome provides the following details for Bad Wolf the episode:

Episode Information

Episode Number 12
First Aired June 11, 2005
Writer Russell T.Davis

Director Joe Ahearne


Guest Stars: John Barrowman (as Captain Jack Harkness) Bruno Langley (as Adam Mitchell) Nicholas Briggs (as Daleks (voice)) Noel Clarke (as Mickey Smith) Camille Coduri (as Jackie Tyler) Susannah Constantine (as What Not To Wear (voice)) Trinny Woodall (as What Not To Wear (voice)) Jo Joyner (as Linda) Martha Cope (as The Controller) Anne Robinson (as The Anne Droid (voice))

Synopsis

The viewers of the Bad Wolf channel on Satellite 5 seem to be shaping the events affecting the Doctor and Rose, apparantley having been filming the Doctor's adventures since he left. Realizing this, the Doctor makes a return appearance to Satellite 5 and is forced to play the game 'Bad Wolf' in a 'Big Brother' style house with two other contestants. However only one contestant will leave the house alive. Elsewhere Rose takes part in The Weakest Link hosted by a robotic Anne Robinson with robotic contestants, whilst Captain Jack appears on What not to wear with a robotic Trinny and Susannah. Meanwhile Adam re-appears as an agent for the Doctor's greatest enemies who intervene with plans of their own - the Daleks. This final battle has devastating consequences for the Doctor.

Notes

Described in the The Radio Times Doctor Who special (26.03.05 - 01.04.05) as :
"More Daleks? We reckon so".
Rumours had it that the reason the episode title was only revealed at such a late stage, was because it was pivotal to the plot, and would've given everything away.
This episode explains all the "Bad Wolf" mentionings in the previous episodes of the season.
It seems that the Doctor is apart of Big Brother, Rose on the weakest link and Jack is on What not to wear with robotic Trinny and Susannah

Quotes

Dalek: We have been detected!

Goofs

Analysis

Bad Wolf
Bad Wolf references through series one: The Doctor mentions the ‘big bad wolf' scenario in ‘The end of the world' (Episode 2). In ‘The Unquiet Dead'(Episode 3), Gwyneth tells Rose that she's seen "The darkness, the big bad wolf" ‘Bad Wolf' was spray painted onto the TARDIS with white paint in episode 4 Aliens of London(1) and was removed at the end of episode 5 World War Three(2) Von Stratten's private plane in ‘Dalek' was called ‘Bad wolf one' (episode 6). In the episode ‘Father's Day' (Episode 8), a poster on a brick wall had ‘Bad Wolf' scrawled on it. The American newsreader on www.whosidoctorwho.co.uk is called ‘Mal Loup'- French for ‘Bad Wolf'. The BBC's Doctor Who web-site (May 3-10 2005) promoted ‘The Long Game', with TV screens on the main page. When these were clicked on, it read ‘badwolf, badwolf badwolf,badwolf badwolf, badwolf badwolf, badwolf'.
More Bad Wolf
One of the news networks in 'The Long Game' (episode 7) was called the "Bad Wolf" channel.
Even more Bad Wolf
The German bomb in Episode 10, "The Doctor Dances", had "Schlechter Wolf" (German for "Bad Wolf") stenciled on it.
Final "Bad Wolf" reference
In episode 1.11, "Boom Town", the nuclear power station project is called "Blaidd Drwg", Welsh for "Bad Wolf". This final reference makes The Doctor realize that the phrase "Bad Wolf" has been following Rose and him through space and time, although he dismisses it as coincidence.
Yet still even more Bad Wolf
Entering "Bad Wolf" into BBC.co.uk's search engine gives you a link to www.badwolf.org.uk, which lists all the times "Bad Wolf" has popped up in the series, as well as some background on "Bad Wolves" of yore and a few theories as to what "Bad Wolf" is.

Cultural References

Episode Title: Various references throughout the season/series
The "Big Bad Wolf" is the principal villain in two popular fairy tales, "The Three Little Pigs" and "Little Red Riding Hood". The BBC also have put up a website listing various historical and cultural references to wolves.

That is all.

Scans:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tdk1987/moredaleks.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tdk1987/daleks.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tdk1987/DoctorWhologram.jpg

Dalek spaceships and "a holographic Doctor saying he's about to die". At the very top centre of the first picture there's a lone dalek next to something which some people think might be the emperor dalek (although it could be the TARDIS - picture quality isn't good enough to tell, even with extensive photoshopping).

Well, they're not there now, so I guess end of joke.

(this entire series better not be "and it was all a dream happnin inside the unconscious mind of [whoever]" as per the giant bee ep of futurama)

No wait, I've lost my train of thought.

The Daleks didn't survive the time war. The voice of Boe "SURVIVED THROUGH ME" guy is Adam, who knows about what's inside a Dalek and has 200,000 years of tech-knowledge, and whose life was ruined by the Doctor. He isn't Davros (bcos Davros was destroyed along with the original daleks) but has used the transmatted game station victims to create a new race of daleks.

Evidence for this - um not much except for huge spoileriffic speculation about Adam being involved (see upthread) and the pre-season talk about the Daleks in 12-13 being 'new' daleks somehow.

I'm not sure i) where Captain Jack knowing about the Dalek ships fits in and ii) how exactly whoever planted the Bad Wolf stuff did it.

Theory 2:

IT'S ALL THE FACE OF BOE.

xpost where does this "only immortal inhabitant" stuff come from? Damn and blast!

Apparently he is immortal or virtually so, as old as the Universe, has several children though they only live normal lifespans, and he has a secret which he will tell only to a "wandering lonely traveller". Blimey eh!

-- Tom (freakytrigge...), June 6th, 2005.

Obviously I would love it to be the Face of Boe.

As for the rest - are you sure you want to know?

Tom: terrific Adam theory - fits with his slightly insular, isolationist character as well - he would fidgit with pan-time technology while brooding on his hatred until he had built a super-race of Daleks. But why perfectly reproduce the Daleks?

Also: Didn't Jack have a missing two years of his life, and may be a bad'n? Could this be something for next series, or even tied up with the 51st C business aluded to upthread?

As I said on other thread, Boemina!

The main reason for it being Boe is that it's a big expensive and complicated prop which has had about 15 seconds screen time. The 15 seconds screen time is also the main reason why dramatically it shouldn't be.

= the only way boe can get purchase on who (knowing he is "not himself" when old-dalex hive in sight) ?

“Two years of his memory is gone,” teases Barrowman. “That’s not explored in the course of this series, but it will be explored in the future. I don’t know when, but I know I am due to come back.”

Could be lies tho!

if the eerie chambermaid wz reading rose's mind about being ON an aeroplane she wd have talked abt the stinky metal tunnel everyone sat in for hours on end, and "metal birds" wd not have come into it

at the time, when she said "big bad wolf", i actually did assume she meant the doctor - that he had some kind of weird aura about him in rose's mind which resonated w.something in chambermaid-world

Does that mean no BAFTA Screening spoilers here? (Not that I saw it, I just couldn't resist being SPOILERED)

I'll link to why:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005270517,00.html

MASSIVE SPOILER, in case you hadn't guessed.

In which case, I'll admit I'm prepared to be disappointed by the Deus Ex Machina ending (especially since RTD has publicly said he hates them) and the worst traditions of the TVM (Oh no! Kissing horror! Oh no!) but that apart from that it all sounds cool. Even if a lot of people had worked it out. And the explanation for Bad Wolf is a bit crap.

"Hmm, new teeth..."

The Emperor Dalek (the voice we hear) is the dalek from 'Dalek' (see the awesome photo in the Sun link), who has spend years creating this dalek army from the people transmat'd off Station 5 when they lose at games by mutating them into half-human, half-kaleds. The Doctor finds Rose and tricks her to enter the TARDIS where he transports her back to her own time/space while he and Captain Jack hold off the daleks. The Doctor builds a device called the Delta Wave which he thinks will kill all the daleks - unfortunately he begins to realise he cannot use it as it will destroy Earth too. In the meantime, the daleks kill everyone apart from him, Captain Jack included.

Back on Earth, Rose tries to open the TARDIS console again (like we saw in Boom Town). She tries and fails with Mickey, but succeeds with Jackie - the vortex enters her. She returns to Station 5, kills all the daleks and returns Captain Jack to life. The Doctor realises containing the vortex is killing her and takes it from her by kissing her. Unfortunately it kills him instead and he regenerates into David Tennant, apparently in mid-conversation. Tennant's lines are something like...

"Where were we...? Hmm, new teeth... always strange. Ah yes, I remember now... Barcelona."

Bad Wolf is apparently only a mnemonic Rose has sent back in time/space to remind her that the Bad Wolf Corporation is where it all goes wrong. Inspired by 'big ears, big nose, big teeth' - references in 'Rose', 'The Empty Child' and the regeneration scene.

HAHA so what emo-Dalek learned from downloading the interweb was loads of crap TV shows!

It does sound like it rather ruins the ending of "Dalek" though.

(Or transmat beam etc etc)

Mnommic eh? Like
Be
Aware
Dalek
Will
Overtake
Le
Futur

At tonight's BAFTA screening of "The Parting of the Ways," the final episode of this first series of "Doctor Who," producer Russell T Davies and BBC executive Jane Tranter announced that a third series of the show has now been commissioned, including a second Christmas special. They also noted that Billie Piper (Rose) would be in all the episodes of the second series, although whether she would return for the third was apparently still being discussed, and that John Barrowman (Captain Jack) will be returning to the series next year but will not appear in the first block of episodes. (Says our correspondent, Barrowman was also in the audience at the screening, and when Davies announced his return, he yelled out, "And I'm willing to get naked again, too!")

Erm, I was wrong.

soudns like bollocks fanwank (hope not tho) but why would you not believe this becoz of K-9? she's got one!

Sometime in the far future the Earth's governments start selling parts of land and subsequent resources off to aliens. Poor Brazil is sold off to some bad eggs for nasty experimentation apparently. I am hoping this means that a future story will be set in Brazil as is my fantasy though I know this is highly unlikely (unless The Mill can digitally manouevre El Cristo Redento into Cardiff and film in mid-July). Anyway I can't remember where the Forest Of Cheem is supposed to be but Jabe is descended from Amazonia as we know and the 'Cheem' actually comes from the word for water in the alien dialect of the corporation that buys up loads of the forestland there for their own less nasty designs. This corporation experiments on the trees causing an accelerated mutation spanning just 300 years or so that causes the trees to go just a tad Entish - eventually resulting in the characters we see in The End Of The World. Prior to this they liberate themselves from their owners and establish their own civilisation. One day the tree dudes receive what comes to be known as The Great Calling and they all leave Earth and other systems in their big wooden ships, travelling to the edge of the universe where they encounter something - some say God, others say they kill God, others say they are God...but no tree dude will ever speak of what The Great Calling or what it meant. The trees become revered for their knowledge of the cosmos and silently observe the Time War whilst weeping, presumably not interfering out of Zennist obedience. There may be a book about it all coming out.

Also, it's thought the Face Of Boe will one day die and utter the secret it has kept for millenia, to a mysterious traveller...

Odd capitalisation, perhaps, until you read elsewhere that a certain FX studio is currently working on morphing Anthony Ainley into ASH...

Well, that spoiler was bollocks then.

Still, new ones:

Felicity Kendall!
Mikethecoolperson as an ickle Sontaran!
Rome!
Agatha Christie!
Genesis of the Davros?

Felicity Kendall is a good choice as a guest star, although hopefully they'll make her into a prim Harriet Jones/Sarah Jane type ally rather than a rub villain.

She's going to play "Lady Clemency Eddison" - unclear whether it's in the Christmas one or the Agatha Christie one. I seem to recall reading somewhere she plays a "dottery old lesbian" but I can't find the quote to hand.

Heavy speculation the Christmas special is a dream, in which Kylie plays the TARDIS come to life - her character name is Astrid Peth, Astrid being an anagram of TARDIS and peth being Welsh for 'thing'.

> Mikethecoolperson as an ickle Sontaran!

wasn't that him as the railway employee in saxondale?

Certainly was.

fucks sake....

Billie Piper to make 'Doctor Who' return?

Monday, October 1 2007, 10:54 BST

By Ben Rawson-Jones, Cult Editor
Billie Piper to make 'Doctor Who' return?

Billie Piper is on the verge of agreeing a deal with the BBC to reprise the role of Rose Tyler next year.

The News of the World claims that the former companion would return for a three episode arc for the season finale, should Piper accept the offer - reported to be £20,000.

The paper quotes a BBC insider as saying: "We are all very excited that Billie is on course to come back. We're very close to getting her to sign."

Piper left Doctor Who at the end of the second season in the episode 'Doomsday', which saw her character Rose Tyler confined to a parallel Earth with her family and boyfriend Mickey.

NEIN DANKE

Oh dear God, please, no.

Can we have Gay Todd from Corrie back instead, if we're getting someone back? Rose's storyline is done with, there's a whole world of possibility with him. I'm kind of surprised he didn't turn up in Torchwood.

This rumour has been about for a long time. RTD was quoted in DWM a couple of months ago saying he didn't think Rose's story had "proper closure" yet, and the speculation is that bringing Rose back so SHE CAN HAS DOCTOR is how he wants to end his time on the show.

no proper closure? it was the most drawn out character exit i have ever seen on any TV show ever ffs

That's just because (and this is a direct quote from RTD) "too white, straight and male to understand the emotion in (his) writing".

Done some further digging - Billie has admitted she has been "practicing Rose" recently, and it appears The Master mentioned her in Utopia/SoD/LooTL where RTD claims 'the big secret behind the Series 4 plot arc' lies. On the other hand, £20k isn't that much, and might tie up with being enough for a regeneration montage/'new' flashback.

No thannks...

Although, thinking on...If they brought her back as EVIL Rose who has grown bitter and twisted at being separated from the Doctor and must have him at all costs...and had her slaughter the entire supporting cast, then it would be a good move. Just maybe.

And a Rose/Martha catfight...On the baby-oil planet...

i'm so glad i stopped watching this show

yes, get rose back. make her wear her diary of a call girl outfit. something for the dads.

the evil rose is kinda a good idea, only star trek tng did it already.

if she must come back i'd like Rose clones - the Doctor going from having one to none to hundreds.

i was going to suggest they do this with Kylie at Christmas (esp. seeing as it's meant to be a dream), would be good nod to the 'Come Into My World' video also!

bringing her back undermines both the gravity of the series 2 finale AND further undermines Martha who they seemed to want to spoil.

but i dislike character comebacks in TV shows generally i've realised.

This seems to be the current rumour, and certainly ties together an awful lot of things:

DOCTOR Who bosses are set to call back FOUR of the Time Lord’s favourite assistants – including Billie Piper – for a sensational showdown. The old cast members will be reunited to help the Doc fight evil Dalek creator Davros in an explosive finale to the next series.

Leading the way in the line-up will be Billie (Piper) as Rose Tyler along with the rest of the Tyler family; they will hook up with the Tardis traveller’s latest assistants Martha Jones and Donna Noble. Also on hand to help out the Doc will be his old companion Sarah Jane Smith as well as Torchwood boss Captain Jack Harkness. Even the Time Lord’s dog K-9 will make an appearance.

The TV source said: "This is the daddy of all shows. The writer Russell T Davies really wants to pull out all the stops for the finale next year."

WANK WANK WANK WANK WANK

hope they drop this horrible talk of Jennifer Saunders and Rhys Ifans

i've come to the conclusion that either Julian Rhind-Tutt or Stephen Mangan should succeed Tennant. i might even start a facebook group for it.

With assistant

http://www.sitcom.co.uk/carrie_barry/graphics/char_michelle.jpg

So I just watched Series 4 finale and was actually really satisfied by it. Moreso than I've been by most season/full show finales I've ever seen.

Doctor Who 2008: Sontarans cometh, RTD Ood 'ave 'im etc.

So apparently the new assistant is the future doctor's companion but leaves him to go off with Tennant...

what