It's North Atlantic/East Pacific Hurricane Season!

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Whoo, first of June already. It feels like yesterday my state got smacked down by Charley, Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne. (Bonnie didn't do anything aside from spawn a tornado in northern Jacksonville.) As a tropical cyclone buff (who has gone through at least fifteen tropical systems in the past eleven years due to my location -- more tropical systems strike the Panama City area than anywhere else in the United States and they almost always move northeast through here), I'm always excited and antsy around this time of year, usually in wondering whether the next big storm will paralyse my city for a week or two by mowing all the pine trees down or if it will be strong enough make the southern fringe of the city beachfront property (not an impossible scenario).

Discuss tropical systems, rant about them, muse on them, ask questions about them, relate anecdotes here, share the details of hurricane footage, whatever.

Ian Riese-Moraine's all but an ark-lark! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

el niños tend to weaken hurricane seasons. (though I stress "tend to")

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

..which is good.. for the people in the south atlantic.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

however, it does make the chance of a hurricane hitting SoCal slightly more probable (and i stress "slightly" a LOT)

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

tucson got two shitkicker t-storms last week.

The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the South Atlantic had THREE tropical systems last year, and one of them hit southern Brazil as the equivalent of a medium category 1 hurricane. That's just unheard of. There was a system that formed off of Angola in 1991 and a few years later I think another system formed close to South America.

Ian Riese-Moraine's all but an ark-lark! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, AZ gets the most lightning strikes per year than any other part of the U.S., so that's sounds par. I'm talking about the once-every-50-years storm that hits SoCal that reshapes the coastal line.

Balboa Island, in Newport Beach, exists only because of one big fucking tropical storm in the 40s or 50s that made landfall in O.C. that essentially moved a shitload of sand closer west. (unless this is an urban myth? Elvis T shoud have the lowdown here.)

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

More lightning strikes than (Central) Florida? I'm surprised!

The last time a tropical system made landfall in California as a tropical storm was 1939, so I suppose that makes sense.

Ian Riese-Moraine's all but an ark-lark! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Balboa Island, in Newport Beach, exists only because of one big fucking tropical storm in the 40s or 50s that made landfall in O.C. that essentially moved a shitload of sand closer west. (unless this is an urban myth? Elvis T shoud have the lowdown here.)

Urban myth. Balboa Island was originally a sandbar that was extended into a full "island" in 1908 by dredging the harbor and piling the sand on top of the island. Lido and Linda Isle were also built the same way - make an island and then turn around and sell lots on the sand for $$$$.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

From an oc r3gist3r article in august 2004..

The only tropical system to make landfall in Orange County in the past century was an unnamed system that struck on Sept. 24, 1939, during a heat wave that sent the temperature to a record 119 degrees in Orange. The storm's winds were blowing about 50 mph when it made landfall. The system lashed parts of Orange County with 5 inches of rain, swamping and capsizing boats in Newport Harbor, including the Jolly Tom. One of the Jolly Tom's passengers drowned and five were injured.

The combination of wind and rain was severe enough to kill 48 people across Southern California.

..which sounds like a picnic compared to an annual southeast hurricane, no doubt.. but SoCal has little to zero idea of how to deal with major tropical storms, so when/if one does happen, it will suck bigtime.

In any case, it seemed like someone fused this history with the creation of Balboa Island. I stand corrected.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

50 miles per hour? That's a fucking picnic indeed! In comparison, when Jeanne and Frances got up to my area they were about that strong and all they did was turn the streets green by blowing loads of leaves from the trees. Had it rained more from those systems (actually, Jeanne dropped the most rain here out of the four systems that affected Tallahassee -- Charley was the only one we dodged) we might've had a fatality or two from someone being swept into a drainage ditch. Admittedly, this is 65 years later in an area vastly more vulnerable to tropical systems (and so we're more prepared for them), hence why I said "in comparison."

Ian Riese-Moraine's all but an ark-lark! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Fun weather facts about California

I can't find any pictures online, but the photos of the 1949 snowstorm in SoCal are amazing.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:31 (nineteen years ago) link

driving from pensacola to mobile last december, i saw the effects of ivan. i have never seen such devastation on such a large scale in my life. totally fucked. and still yet nothing compared to the tsunami.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Science marches onward!

A Florida businessman who claims he once made a thundercloud disappear from Doppler radar says he can take the fury out of hurricanes, too.

Washington, DC -- Peter Cordani isn't a meteorologist or even a weather aficionado. He's just a Florida CEO sick of seeing his state pounded by hurricanes.

As head honcho at Dyn-O-Mat, a maker of environmental absorbents, it dawned on Cordani about five years ago that his company's patented Dyn-O-Gel might have the power to take the punch out of hurricanes.

His first true test of the theory came in July 2001, when the company used a B-57 bomber to attack a thunderclap with the super absorbent polymer in the waters off Palm Beach. The storm evaporated completely from Doppler radar, according to Cordani.

"It was an incredible moment," he said.

Bolstered by the success of the field test, Cordani gathered a team of scientists and investors, plus a convoy of 747 jetliners from Evergreen Aviation in Colorado, for the mother of all trials.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

that story is tailor-made to be a coen brothers movie.

The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Or a KUBRICK one!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Depending on how it plays out, I mean.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I read an article about him last year before Ivan hit, or maybe Jeanne, and he was planning on trying to weaken one of those systems.

Ian Riese-Moraine's all but an ark-lark! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

There we go! I finally found this silly thread! I don't know why it wouldn't come up when I searched the exact title earlier.

Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Saturday, 11 June 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway, as I reported elsewhere:

Tropical Storm Arlene should be up this way by Saturday. I wanted to post it in my 2005 Hurricane Season thread and I've been searching for it but I can't find it at all. Did someone delete it?

-- Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (eastern_mantr...), June 9th, 2005.

Allright, Tropical Storm Arlene's at 60 miles per hour and cruising through the Gulf in a northerly direction. We've already had some rain associated with the outflow of convection and we're under a tropical storm warning. Sweet.

-- Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (eastern_mantr...), June 10th, 2005.

Latest update: 70 miles per hour and they keep moving the projected path further east and now the tropical storm warnings have been extended even further east. However, it's going north-northwest now, but we'll still get a lot of rain out of it (despite it having drizzled the entire day).

Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Saturday, 11 June 2005 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Still 70 MPH, jogging NW at 16, heading toward Pensacola/Mobile where there's a lot of debris and where they don't need this sort of system. Hurricane warnings now up. Good night, see you all tomorrow.

Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Saturday, 11 June 2005 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

70 MPH, moved way to the west overnight, Pensacola-Mobile supposed to get pounded by sixteen foot waves and plenty of wind. My area's not going to get anything else but a breeze even though the forecast says we'll have heavy rain and wind all day. I think we've seen the last of it over here, unfortunately. I'd rather that we take the brunt of it instead of Pensacola.

Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Saturday, 11 June 2005 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

We get hit bad in Rhode Island sometimes, but not in the past few years. Late 80's / early 90's were bad.

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Saturday, 11 June 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Like Hurricane Bob, if I'm not mistaken?

Ian Riese-Moraine comes explosive! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 11 June 2005 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Arlene down to 60 mph, will make landfall on Perdido Key (Alabama/Florida state line) in the next hour. We're getting a spiral band now and I'm quite surprised at this -- apparently the bands became more organized this afternoon. Mind you, I'm 200 miles away from the centre of the system, so it's nothing terrible.

Ian Riese-Moraine comes explosive! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 11 June 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

It's beginning to make landfall in Pensacola. Funnily enough, I was supposed to go a wedding there today. Postponed, obviously.

Ian Riese-Moraine comes explosive! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 11 June 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Bret made landfall in Mexico the other day, Cindy near hurricane force and bearing down on Louisiana and Mississippi, Dennis expected to strengthen over the next 36 hours, cut between Jamaica and Cuba, cross the western part of Cuba, and cruise northward into the eastern Gulf. It'll be pretty strong by that time and there's not really anything to interrupt its strengthening (aside from Cuban landfall).

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 00:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Cindy made landfall near Grand Isle, now downgraded and extratropical. Dennis is a Category 1 hurricane and I'm feeling a disturbance in the force from this, an utmost sense of dread I've never experienced from learning about any system that has the possibility of threatening my area. There's a strong high pressure a few hundred miles off the Atlantic coast (which pulled Cindy around it and caused it to strike the central Gulf coast), a trough over east Texas/western Louisiana that's slowly trudging eastwar, and a stationary front about two hundred miles to the north of the Gulf coast. This means that Dennis will likely get sucked through up to my region, and considering that there's warm water the entire way and very little land to encounter (just Jamaica and western Cuba), it'll strengthen like a motherfucker. I'm guessing it'll be at least a Category 3 if not a Category 4 by the time it makes landfall in the States. Considering that the projected path places it over Pensacola right now and how storms always seem to head way to the right of where it's projected to go, I think this part of Florida's in for a lashing it's been long overdue for.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 7 July 2005 00:51 (nineteen years ago) link

In the past three hours, Dennis has jumped from having sustained winds of 90 mph (Category 1) to 105 mph. Fuck. It's still on the approach to Jamaica.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 7 July 2005 11:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay -- Florida State's predicting exactly what I think Dennis will do. Mind you, they've got probably the best meteorology program in the nation. The blue line goes right over Tallahassee.

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/mm5/archive/2005070700/DENNIS.track.png

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 7 July 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

They've always been very accurate, too. They were practically spot on with Ivan, Jeanne, Charley, and Frances last year, for example.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 7 July 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Dennis bypassed Jamaica yesterday, skirted across Cabo Cruz in Cuba, made landfall again in Cuba as a Category 4, and has dropped from 150 (6 hours ago) to 135 now, and it'll probably take a few more hours for it to reenter the water in the Gulf. The Keys will undoubtedly get hammered (Cuba, needlessly to say, is being pounded like dough) and there's already a Hurricane Watch in effect from the Louisiana/Mississippi border to the Steinhatchee River well to southeast of my city.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I fucking hate where I live sometimes. Tornadoes from the north and hurricanes from the south, and we don't even get the benefit of a reacharound snow in the winter.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 8 July 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha! Very understandable. My city hasn't seen snow in 12 years, which is very sad because it used to snow every four years.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 8 July 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm in Boston and the last few days have been WET WET WET WET and COLD. I could have stayed in Seattle if I wanted this kind of summer weather. Supposedly this is the remnant of an earlier tropical storm or something.

Lots of luck to the ILXors in the path of Dennis. I hope it doesn't trash you guys too badly.

lyra (lyra), Friday, 8 July 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, that would be from Cindy.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 8 July 2005 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I got diarrhea!

Hurricane of Poo, Saturday, 9 July 2005 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Hurricane Garu makes landfall on the Crap Coast?

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, it's in the Gulf now, 150 miles west of Key West, and I still don't understand why it's going due north now but I think I'm going to rule out that it'll come directly this way. Pensacola/Mobile must brace themselves for the third time in ten months. Give them a break! I'd rather we take one for them -- the last report of a major hurricane I've read about going directly over Tallahassee was a storm in 1854, so we're LOOONG overdue.

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

We're getting a really nasty spiral band, woo-hoo!

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, we're about to get tropical storm force winds, the rain's been relentless, and it's heading due north now, just as I thought it would -- admittedly it's more to the west than I expect, but I doubt it'll jog much more to the west. It's due south of Destin and Fort Walton Beach and has been making jogs northeastward toward Panama City. If it does head that way, we'll be screwed because we're almost due northeast of there, and even in Category 1 storms we'll be paralysed for a week because we have so many pines and whatnot and they'll snap right over and leaves/grass/debris will entirely obscure the streets. So, if I don't come back for a while, we're probably out of power for a couple of days. I don't know if that will happen or not, but it's not out of the question.

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 10 July 2005 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Amusing Dennis Bit #1: CNN is having to rely on local affiliates for some of their coverage (understandably). One guy who just spent a few minutes on-camera was wearing a hat with a FOX logo.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 10 July 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

That happens more frequently than you'd expect!

The power only flickered once here. It's been very blustery, more so than it was with Bonnie, Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne last year. Each system has been a little more damaging here in Tallahassee than the one preceding it and I think it's nature's way of preparing this city for something devastating soon considering that the last major hurricane to pass almost directly over this vicinity was in 1851. Nonetheless, I don't think we'll see much more rain out of this (although another squall's literally just coming in -- it's raining out immediately in front of my flat but it hasn't arrived at the back of it), and the winds will likely decrease on through the evening. As for debris, there's plenty of leaves strewn and branches down, some pretty large -- the largest one fell not even two feet from the trunk of a police car (that "belongs" to an officer in the apartment building to the left of mine). The rain kept blowing into the windows as if my flat were inside a car wash, and the peak gusts around here were about gale-force. It's been quite fun to watch, even if gusts have blown open our door about four times (we've walked outside a bit and returned inside without bolting the door, that's why)!

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

It only started to rain here about 45 minutes ago, not more than a light sprinkle yet.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

ian, just to let you know, we may not be posting too much, but this is pretty much making national news headlines all across the city papers here.. so kudos to you braving it out and seeing your posts. I'm sure we're all checking this out.

The one thing I remember from "being in the middle of a hurricane" footage was the weird thing where toilet water receded and if you stuck a wadded up tissue in there, the toilet would vacuum it up. That was really weird to see. I forget the physics explanation related to why that happens.

donut e- (donut), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

It's fine, donut. I'm sure people have been reading it although they night not have had much to say. I created the thread because tropical systems excite me, especially if they're aiming toward the Florida panhandle. I've endured at least fifteen tropical systems (their impacts ranging from peripheral and minor to being immediately overhead and not-so-minor) since 1994, so it's pretty common.

The toilet thing's possibly related to the ultra-low pressure in a hurricane, but I'm probably wrong about that.

There's apparently a tropical wave halfway between the Lesser Antilles and Cape Verde's and it might be a tropical depression by tomorrow at the latest. I wonder where that'll head, considering that the Bermuda high will likely still be parked in the same spot as it always is in summer and serve undoubtedly as a steerring mechanism provided that the system goes far enough west and survives.

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Time for crashzzzzzzz.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 11 July 2005 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Ian, I'm in Auburn, AL, and it's been about the same as you described here. Limbs and leaves all over the road, relentless rain, and some pretty fierce winds, but things have settled down now. I even drove across town about an hour ago without any trouble.

How are things in Tallahassee?

Matt P., Monday, 11 July 2005 02:34 (nineteen years ago) link

It's been very pleasant, but one of the spiral bands has been sweeping west to east annd back to the west and then to the east again across my area. Lots of tree debris, and most locations reported about eight inches of rain overall from the storm. About twenty miles south of here on the coast they got hammered, and mind you I'm about 170 miles east of where it made landfall (near Woodlawn Beach and Navarre Beach, between Pensacola and Fort Walton Beach). The towns of Shell Point, St. Marks, Live Oak Island, and Spring Creek are flooded by the storm surge (which washes up pretty easily in hurricanes because the Apalachee Bay is so long and shallow and all the winds were coming onshore). U.S. Highway 98 (which parallels the Gulf Coast from Mobile eastward to Perry, about 50 miles southeast of here) was closed for about a 70 mile stretch from Apalachicola to Medart (20 miles southwest of here) and was washed out as usual in Panacea, Lanark Village, and Carrabelle, and the road on Alligator Point (which juts into the Apalachee Bay) was also washed out and flooded to the point of being impassible. Winds were much higher on the immediate coast -- well over tropical storm force, with gusts between gale-force up to hurricane-force. The storm surge was about six to nine feet (probably higher in Apalachicola, because the winds there were coming from the east for a while and all the water from the St. George Sound and Apalachicola Bay and the mouth of the Apalachicola River came right into the downtown). My grandmother came back to Panama City from Jacksonville Friday (and yes, my mother and I tried to talk her out of this) claiming that she had papers to gather and the house to prepare (when my uncle that lives with her could easily have done it himself, and my other uncle that's a carpenter surely would've helped, too) and more branches and whatnot fell into her yard during the storm, and the gusts there were about 90 miles per hour (sustained winds were gale-force). They didn't get as much rain as we did, though -- we always seem to get the spiral bands, which march like a train through here and so we'll have hours of squally weather. I don't know how my numerous relatives in the Pensacola area fared -- they all live east of the city in Gulf Breeze, Milton, and Bagdad, and the latter two towns had the eye of Dennis pass directly over them. These communities of course were heavily damaged by Ivan -- my great-aunt still hasn't had her house fixed because they've been battling the insurance companies, just as most people there have. (The entire town of Navarre still had damage to every single building there two weeks ago when a co-worker of my mother's went through there. Said co-workers parents JUST moved down to Milton last week. What a way to greet them. Florida isn't typically like this, of course, but we do receive a slough of tropical systems even though they're usually far less catastrophic.)

Oy, it looks like there'll be an Emily threatening the central Caribbean as a hurricane by Friday. Hmmm...

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 11 July 2005 12:32 (nineteen years ago) link

A bit of a fizzle. Three inches of rain here during the night, not much wind to speak of.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 11 July 2005 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm really glad my dad and stepmom don't live in mobile any more. but i have some family in nawlins. looks like gulfport had the most damage, tho.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 03:50 (nineteen years ago) link

30 confirmed deaths in biloxi.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

in new orleans there's a two-block-long breach in one of the levees and the water is pouring down canal street. water level rising very quickly.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 05:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw the "three deaths" thing right before I went to bed last night and was all like, 'woo hoo!' but then the added the suffix of '...nursing home residents...' and I was all like, 'that's so gay'

54 confirmed deaths now, and i think that's just within one county in mississippi.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 05:46 (nineteen years ago) link

mayor of new orleans says 80 percent of the city is now underwater.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Can't get back to sleep, so I might as well get up and wait for daylight so I can get a better assessment of the situation.

We never did lose power or phone/DSL.
About 10 p.m. last night, one of the three big trees on our property went down — a 60 ft. scalybark (hickory) tree. It fell west, missing utility lines to the north, my office to the east and our house to the south.

About 11 p.m., I noticed water seeping down our bedroom wall. Went up to the attic, and we have a roof leak around one of the old unused chimneys.

Other than that, I think we're okay except for the usual small limbs and twigs cleanup. I'll take pictures, and post some whenever I have time.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 09:09 (nineteen years ago) link

how many people - oh, and of what age and status - need to die, so that it's not so gay ?


this thread is unbelievable. though ilx usually is

Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 09:50 (nineteen years ago) link

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Rescuers worked through the night to reach hundreds of people stranded after Hurricane Katrina ripped across the Gulf Coast killing dozens of people, destroying countless homes and leaving more than a million people without power in three states.

And authorities said they would not be able to reach some of the hardest-hit areas until first light on Tuesday.

The storm is blamed for at least 67 deaths and that toll is almost certain to rise. Mississippi officials said at least 54 people were killed there, including 30 who were killed in an apartment complex near the Biloxi beach. Alabama reported two deaths. The storm killed 11 people last week when it made its initial landfall in Florida.

While Louisiana officials have not yet confirmed any deaths there, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said there have been reports of bodies floating in the floodwaters.

"My heart is heavy tonight," Nagin said in the interview on CNN affiliate WWL-TV. "I don't have any good news to share."

Nagin said that about 80 percent of the city was flooded and that some areas were under 20 feet of water.

Water poured into the city from Lake Pontchartrain after a two-block-long breach opened in a section of a levee that protects the low-lying city.

In the city's 9th Ward neighborhood, rescue efforts continued throughout the night, with authorities in boats plucking residents from submerged homes after water topped another levee.

CNN's Adaora Udoji, monitoring the rescue efforts, said authorities had ferried at least 500 people from their homes, flooded with as much as six feet of water. Some residents reported water rose so fast they did not have time to grab their shoes.

Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco told CNN Monday that a 50-inch water main was severed during the storm, cutting the supply of drinkable water.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Me and the dog and the g/f rolled out to Dallas on Saturday as we are pussies. Trying to get information on whether or not our houses etc are still there via CNN sucks. I know I'm not around much anymore (due to lack of home internet) but just wanted to say I'm not floating through the floodwater. Fuck. Please post if anybody gets in touch with Kyle/Fetchboy--most phones with 504 area codes are fucked. Thanks.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 11:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Good to hear from you, Adam. Hope your home's okay and we're keeping an eye out for Fetchboy.

The more I read about this storm's aftermath...damn.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Trying to get information on whether or not our houses etc are still there via CNN sucks.

it's going to take a long time to survey all the damage. and cnn are often slow to report things, but then they've got A LOT of areas to cover.

what ned said.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I've started a separate thread:

Katrina's aftermath

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

how many people - oh, and of what age and status - need to die, so that it's not so gay ?

More than three people from a nursing home. Especially if the news is going to lead with it.

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I'm watching the local weather forecast with the sound turned off (I'm at work), and they showed the weather for the next five days. The first few days said DRY, but by the weekend, they had a graphic of rain with the word RITA? underneath it.

I assumed that they meant Rain In The Afternoon?, but now I realize that fuck, we got another 'cane a-coming.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Yup, i think the call to re-evacuate New Orleans went out a coupla hours ago

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Yup, it's almost hurricane strength right now. Phillippe actually IS a hurricane but it's supposed to stay out to sea. Of course, a few days ago Ophelia made landfall in Nova Scotia and Labrador.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Monday, 19 September 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Rita at 100 mph at last update, cruising between the Keys and Cuba. Projected to be a Category 4 before making landfall somewhere between Corpus Christi and Houston.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I live in Miami, where we've endured 20 hrs + of forecasters standing under quivering palm fronds and bellowing, "SOME OF THESE GUSTS CAN BE....CATASTROPHIC!" After three weeks of Katrina coverage, it was mildly reassuring to return to normal hurricane season.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

You know that there's some poor soul sitting in the Astrodome right now who honestly believes that he's got some curse on his neck.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Hurricane tracker for Google Earth

robster (robster), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh dear. I am supposed to be flying to Texas on Saturday.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Rita is now Cat-5, stronger than Katrina was when it hit. Should hit east texas by friday/saturday.

texas gov & louisiana gov have declared States of Emergency.

oh dear.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

In my local paper this morning, a sidebar about an Idaho meteorologist's hurricane conspiracy theory. I can't bring myself to read the whole thing.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

There are three major predicted trajectories for Rita. One of them has it hitting Houston and Galveston directly, which would be the most devastating to the entire state of TX because of the high population density in that part of TX but would mean that my SATX will escape with only maybe flash flooding conditions and strong winds. It's the easiest scenario for us, then. Another scenario has Rita hitting directly between Corpus Christi (home of Eva Longoria and Whataburger, FYI), which will mean that SATX will get hit with tropical storm-like conditions. Still, survivable. The worst case scenario for SATX has Rita hitting Corpus directly, which would mean that SATX (which is where I and not-Haikunym Matt C. live, dontcha know) would get hit with 100-mph winds. Which would suck for us but would perhaps be a blessing to the evacuees up in the Houston area. And even for our own evacuees, really; conditions here wouldn't be as bad as they would be down along the coastline.

Obv I don't plan on doing anything on Saturday, which is when all the fireworks are expected to happen locally.

(This Field Left Blank) (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

In Response: Welcome, Jerry the Nipper! You're going to have lots of fun coming in. Unless you're going to fly in to Dallas or El Paso, which should prove to be very normal and boring.

Actually, it'd be ideal if Rita hit right between Corpus and Galveston. It'd still provide damage galore to both AND to Houston, but it wouldn't be The Worst Case Scenario for anyone (except for maybe the poor souls who DO live right between Corpus and Galveston).

(This Field Left Blank) (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I am due to fly into Austin. Is that likely to be badly hit? Originally I was due to fly in Friday night, but it looks like it might have been changed to Saturday night. Saturday looks like having the worst of it, eh? Should I just forget about traveling to TX this weekend and arrange to interview Famous Indie Band in Chicago on Tuesday instead?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

JtN - looking at the projection, Austin is right in the path, but about 180 miles inland.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

But am I right to imagine that all flights into TX airports on Saturday are likely to be cancelled?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Suffice it to say I'm glad that my grandparents now live outside Knoxville TN, than still in Port Lavaca, TX, on their house on stilts.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

God, I'd hope they shut the airports in Houston/Austin/Corpus, with wind like that coming in. Except places like Odessa which are way out of the path. Dallas/Ft. Worth might stay clear of the brunt as well, but who knows?

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Chicago's nice this time of year...

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a friend flying in Friday from Austin to Seattle... I hope he gets to escape. :/

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope so too, donut. Although I understand about business protecting their assets and all that, it pissed me off to no end to hear that Greyhound and Amtrak stopped running and moved all their equipment out of the area on Saturday, two days before the storm made landfall.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

it pissed me off to no end to hear that Greyhound and Amtrak stopped running and moved all their equipment out of the area on Saturday, two days before the storm made landfall.

Well, I mean, if it's a choice between stragglers having to find last minute non-train non-commercial-bus service vs. having those vehicles/trains destroyed by not having them leave in time, therefore crippling those services for months if not years afterwards, I'd choose the former -- though neither scenario is a picnic.

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Austin's "just" about 90 miles northeast of SATX. It'll get some hurricane-spawned action, sure, but it shouldn't be too bad. I don't see any cancellations at Bergstrom. I think maybe there'll be a few delays, but Austin will be okay to go into. Or they might divert the flight to DFW and bus people to Austin, which will suck, sure, but it'll be incredibly safe. So -- no worries. I don't even think there'll be much to worry about here in San Antonio. Though maybe there WILL be a few cancellations on that front. I don't know. It's still too early to tell there. And besides, the last time anything like this was projected to happen was back in 1961 with Carla, which was LONG before I was born, obv. But oh the stories my mom's told me of the storms spawned from that.... But still, Carla didn't cause any real property damage here.

(This Field Left Blank) (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:47 (nineteen years ago) link

(Note: Carla was "only" a Cat. 4 storm, though. If Rita continues to be a Cat. 5, who knows what'll happen?)

Donut, your friend should be FINE. Friday's definitely before the storm is projected to hit the TX Gulf Coast. No need to fret.

(This Field Left Blank) (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

One of our vendors in Houston sent out an email announcing that they were getting out of town!

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Jerry, Rita might still be a minimal hurricane if it were to go near Austin.

I've got relatives in Bellaire (Houston). Ouch.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Starting up a separate Rita thread might not be a bad idea.

BTW, anyone stop to think what kind of utter havoc this will play on shipping in America? New Orleans, the chief port at the mouth of the Mississippi, is shut down for a long, long time. All its refineries are toast. Now, Houston, among the largest ports in the nation, and the refineries along the Texas shore are playing target practice for another category 5.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050922/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_names

running out of names for hurricanes. They use one name per alphabet letter, and next they're going to the greek alphabet.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 22 September 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Other suggested naming schemes:

-Jacksons
-Baldwins
-Wilsons
-Pop stars who put out books of their own poetry
-Arquettes

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
It looks like hurricane fatigue has finally set in over at NOAA if this Wilma forecast is any indication.

AGREEMENT AMONG THE TRACK GUIDANCE MODELS...WHICH HAD BEEN VERY GOOD
OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS...HAS COMPLETELY COLLAPSED TODAY. THE 06Z RUNS OF THE GFS...GFDL...AND NOGAPS MODELS ACCELERATED WILMA RAPIDLY TOWARD NEW ENGLAND UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A LARGE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM IN THE GREAT LAKES REGION. ALL THREE OF THESE MODELS HAVE BACKED OFF OF THIS SOLUTION...WITH THE GFDL SHOWING AN EXTREME CHANGE...WITH ITS 5-DAY POSITION SHIFTING A MERE 1650 NMI FROM ITS PREVIOUS POSITION IN MAINE TO THE WESTERN TIP OF CUBA. THERE IS ALMOST AS MUCH SPREAD IN THE 5-DAY POSITIONS OF THE 12Z GFS ENSEMBLE MEMBERS...WHICH RANGE FROM THE YUCATAN TO WELL EAST OF THE DELMARVA PENINSULA. WHAT THIS ILLUSTRATES IS THE EXTREME SENSITIVITY OF WILMA'S FUTURE TRACK TO ITS INTERACTION WITH THE GREAT LAKES LOW. OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS...WILMA HAS BEEN MOVING SLIGHTLY TO THE LEFT OR SOUTH OF THE MODEL GUIDANCE...AND THE LEFT-MOST OF THE GUIDANCE SOLUTIONS ARE NOW SHOWING WILMA DELAYING OR MISSING THE CONNECTION WITH THE LOW. I HAVE SLOWED THE OFFICIAL FORECAST JUST A LITTLE BIT AT THIS TIME...BUT IF WILMA CONTINUES TO MOVE MORE TO THE LEFT THAN EXPECTED...SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE OFFICIAL FORECAST MAY HAVE TO BE MADE DOWN THE LINE. NEEDLESS TO SAY...CONFIDENCE IN THE FORECAST TRACK...ESPECIALLY THE TIMING...HAS DECREASED CONSIDERABLY.

I can see them all tearing up their forecast models and quitting for a beer.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

wtf.. maine? new england?

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Granted, when a storm becomes this strong, its predictability decreases, as it kinda generates its own weather... but the response to this phenomenon above reads like an incoherent Dr. Bronner diatribe.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Mr. Mayfield said that the center was having difficulty with its forecasts because of what he described as the "wobbly" nature of the hurricane.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
US Northeast due for major hurricane

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
this year's hurricane names include a Gordon and a Nadine

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Major Hurricane Season Brewing in the Atlantic

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Clearly the answer is to set Texas on fire. (we'll build an fireproof oxygenated evacuation bubble in Austin.)

DOQQUN (donut), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link


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