It's June 2005 in Iraq

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And Sullivan's got a few good links going here (which I will now post directly if you don't want to think about Sullivan). Why do I suspect this story is one of many?

U.S. Army officers in the badland deserts of northwest Iraq, near the Syrian border, say they don't have enough troops to hold the ground they take from insurgents in this transit point for weapons, money and foreign fighters.

From last October to the end of April, there were about 400 soldiers from the 25th Infantry Division patrolling the northwest region, which covers about 10,000 square miles.

"Resources are everything in combat . . . there's no way 400 people can cover that much ground," said Maj. John Wilwerding, of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, which is responsible for the northwest tract that includes Tal Afar.

"Because there weren't enough troops on the ground to do what you needed to do, the (insurgency) was able to get a toehold." said Wilwerding, 37, of Chaska, Minn.

During the past two months, Army commanders, trying to pacify the area, have had to move in some 4,000 Iraqi soldiers; about 2,000 more are on the way. About 3,500 troops from the 3rd ACR took control of the area this month, but officers said they were still understaffed for the mission.

"There's simply not enough forces here," said a high-ranking U.S. Army officer with knowledge of the 3rd ACR. "There are not enough to do anything right; everybody's got their finger in a dike."

The officer spoke on the condition of anonymity because of concern that he'd be reprimanded for questioning American military policy in Iraq.

The Army has no difficulty in launching large-scale operations to catch fighters in "an insurgent Easter egg hunt," the officer said. "But when we're done, what comes next?"

Those damned leftists criticizing government polic...er, wait.

Meanwhile, gay Purple Heart winners are out but fuck-ups in general, that's another story...

Now comes a new Army directive that attempts to alleviate the personnel crunch by retaining soldiers who are earmarked for early discharge during their first term of enlistment because of alcohol or drug abuse, unsatisfactory performance, or being overweight, among other reasons. By retaining these soldiers, the Army lowers the quality of its force and places a heavy burden on commanders who have to take the poor performers into harm's way. This is a quick fix that may create more problems than it solves.

Officially, the new directive merely raises the approval authority for discharges from the battalion commander level to the "special court-martial convening authority" level—generally a step of one command level, from battalion to brigade. This is a leap in the military command hierarchy; battalions are families, brigades are neighborhoods. Centralizing such matters at the brigade command level will make it substantially more difficult to discharge these troops and will lengthen the process significantly. Further, the message from the Army is clear: "[E]ach soldier retained reduces the strain on recruiting command and our retention program, which must replace every soldier who departs the Army early." For every 1 percent of soldiers retained who would otherwise be booted, the service has to sign 3,000 fewer recruits.

Well, no worries, because clearly after the capture of Saddam and the election everything is going peachy...er, wait:

BAGHDAD, Iraq, June 3 - - A suicide bomber set off an explosives belt among a crowd of Iraqis late Thursday, killing 10 and wounding 11, officials said today, and a Shiite religious leader was gunned down, bringing the toll to 44 in a day of bloody insurgent attacks across a wide swath of the embattled country.

Oddly enough, the NRO today so far has been mostly talking about Mark Felt and bad movies (how very ILX). I guess they took this quote from Dick Cheney back in October 2004 to heart:

They will do everything they can to disrupt the process up to those elections in January because they know that once you've got a democratically elected government in place that has legitimacy in the eyes of the people of Iraq, they're out of business. That will be the end of the insurgency.

I feel better already.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 June 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

being able to say "I told you so" really isn't very satisfying anymore.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 3 June 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

You'd think, but keep in mind that as long as NRO types and their fellow travellers insist that things are well and we'll all be done that there's still a point to be made. The grappling with the idea that this is going to stretch and stretch hasn't sunk into them yet on the one hand -- on the other, they're just mindlessly celebrating and congratulating themselves. (The whole 'but they're over there defending our freedom' meme re: the troops is *far* from dead.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 June 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

don't get me wrong - the next time I see my pro-invasion relatives we're gonna have it out. I have kinda given up on any hope of affecting foreign policy... after the world's largest anti-war demonstrations EVER netted a whopping zero impact, and Kerry's disastrous campaign, I feel like all I can do is sit back and watch the flames and hope for it all to be over sooner rather than later.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 3 June 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

Whats it going to take for this situation to capture the attention of the MSM tho? Full on civil war being publicly supported by Iran?

Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Friday, 3 June 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it's the media that's the problem (I will make a clear exception for Fox) so much as it is the mindset that assumes anything reported in the media is anti-patriotic and anti-Bush, and therefore can be ignored.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 June 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

This morning on NPR they interviewed somebody about the de facto lowering of retention standards, the WSJ reporter who covered the story asserted basically that standards were not being lowered, the army was just taking steps to ensure that good, qualified soldiers who are an asset to their units aren't being unwisely or unjustly discarded.

Your ability to monitor The Corner consistently without being corroded down to a bare skeleton is kind of amazing, Ned. If feel like I've noted that before, but anyway...

Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 3 June 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

we all know what the problem is - the political opposition (ie, ostensibly the Democrats) are a bunch of pussies. The federal gov't is populated largely by insular, ineffectual, amoral careerists.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 3 June 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

I honestly can't think of any further personal political action I could take that would help resolve the problem. At this point, we're too far gone - we're in a lose/lose situation. If we pull out, much as I support the action, there's no doubt civil war will be accelerated. If we don't pull out, the insurgency will continue to grow due to the US providing a unifying enemy. we're screwed. Probably for years (and bazillions of dollars) to come. this will end in an identical manner to Vietnam. thanks Dubya!

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 3 June 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes You Are Just Screwed.

No cough syrup involved.

Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 3 June 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

As Burroughs was fond of pointing out, in order for a guerilla war effort to succeed, all the guerillas need are two things: the sympathies of the local populace and a steady supply of weapons. Both are in abundance in Iraq. There is no hope for the US military's goals.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 3 June 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Juan Cole looks like Steve Forbes.

Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Friday, 3 June 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Here, in contrast, is some quite good news as I see it:

American troops in Iraq have discovered a series of underground bunkers used by insurgents, the US military says.
A spokesman said the complex in an abandoned quarry in the restive province of Anbar covered an area the size of four football pitches.

The bunkers are said to contain a large stockpile of weapons and living areas with air conditioning and showers.

A good job indeed -- as the attacks have been concentrated more on civilians over time, anything to slow them down is crucial. But what I wonder is, how many more of these complexes are there?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 June 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm.

The Iraqi government says it is going to double the salaries of university professors as part of a bid to stem the brain drain in the country.
Doctors, teachers and businessmen have left Iraq because they feel unsafe.

No exact figures are available and a government spokesman said there was little in reality that could be done to solve the problem.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

Your ability to monitor The Corner consistently without being corroded down to a bare skeleton is kind of amazing, Ned

It's always interesting to see what they're up to. Often I think they say things they don't mean to.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

Let's play a game of Horse, except instead of using "HORSE" we'll use "DRAFT".

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 6 June 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

I read today that 800 Iraqis were killed last month. (And 80 Americans.) Eight hundred. I knew it was a lot, but that's a lot.

My problem with having anything useful to say about Iraq at this point is that the situation is so far out of the control of anyone in particular that it's hard to know what to say. What's frustrating about the Bush administration, of course, is their continued refusal to ever acknowledge just how far out of their control everything is. They're sitll pretending it's all just part of some plan. It would be so nice to hear just one of those guys (or women) say things that seemed at least tangentially related to observable events.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 6 June 2005 03:59 (twenty years ago)

At once sad and blackly humorous -- but at least he realized what was up (though he waited two years?):

A pro-Iraq war US congressman who campaigned for French fries to be renamed "freedom fries" is now calling for US troops to return home from Iraq.

Republican Representative Walter Jones is to introduce legislation demanding a timetable for the withdrawal.

"I voted for the resolution to commit the troops, and I feel that we've done about as much as we can do," Mr Jones said on US network ABC.

"I just feel that the reason of going in for weapons of mass destruction, the ability of the Iraqis to make a nuclear weapon, that's all been proven that it was never there."

He said his change of heart about the war came after he attended the funeral of a US sergeant killed in Nasiriya, Iraq, in April 2003. Mr Jones said he was moved by the soldier's widow who read out her husband's last letter.

"And that really has been on my mind and my heart ever since," he said.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 June 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, a monster of a post over at The Belgravia Dispatch, a pro-Bush pro-war site whose author is distinctly non-sanguine about prospects in Iraq and contemptuous of much of the leadership and strategy that took us there. Plenty of links, lots of commentary and venting and as usual a fair amount of unintended subtext about the whole affair which often says more than what's written.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

This is kind of old news, but has anyone posted anything about TERROR IN THE GRIP OF JUSTICE?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1518168,00.html

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

The Bushies have broken the back of the opposition, so all that they face now are the sporadic and fragmented efforts of an isolated and desperate few. Not in Iraq, of course. I'm speaking of Congress.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Hooray! Er, wait.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, more fun for pondering. Belmont Club im/explicitly responds to Belgravia, who responds in turn. (Be nice if Instapundit had something to say but he's apparently on vacation.) Not any sign of changing minds per se in all this, but it's telling nonetheless and will probably start seeping over into other fora soon enough. I wouldn't be surprised if Derbyshire or others started making similar arguments along Belgravia's line in the Corner...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

that long post is an odd mix of bad & good:

...This is assuming, of course, that George Bush is fully serious about seeing this effort through the right way. I believe he does which is why I supported him against Kerry who made manifestly clear (to me, at least) his basic lack of interest in securing a democratic outcome in Iraq. Like Kerry, and unlike Bush, I don't think Rumsfeld really gives two shits about securing a truly democratic outcome in Iraq...

kingfish, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

what happens if we just leave iraq?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

We would show we are giving into the terrorists if we did that, Gypsy. You traitor.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, another massive post/collection of links via ParaPundit who I admit I am not much familiar with. Regardless, this is some extremely sharp stuff thanks to a variety of comments from serving US officers in Iraq and more besides. Derbyshire linked this over on NRO world, prompting this from Podheretz:

IF I WERE AN IRAQI...I would have every reason to assume American troops will be there as long as it takes, since George W. Bush won an incredibly hard-fought election making precisely this case at great potential risk and cost to himself.

How blithe it all sounds, making this one person's struggle. I'm reading the second of Ian Kershaw's two books on Hitler (yeah yeah, Godwin's freakin' law, bear with me), and while it would be idiotic to compare the Russian front with Iraq -- or, frankly, Hitler with Bush to start with -- and what's weirdly telling is how Kershaw's outlining of all that mattered for Hitler *was* the personal crusade through various means gets an echo here through a Bush lickspittle. Foolish fellow...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

holy sheeit ned, i'm currently reading the first kershaw hitler book myself!

latebloomer: We kissy kiss in the rear view (latebloomer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

Good stuff, both of them; I'm long since familiar with the outlines and basic primary sources as used by many others (the Goebbels diaries, etc.), but there's enough new material to warrant these biographies, as well as general outlines and conclusions that are new to me (I hadn't fully appreciated the power vacuum resulting from Hitler's aggrandizing of power pre-war and then leaving the Reich for the Eastern Front for a couple of years).

Anyway, back to Iraq, plz. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

bribe the Sunnis:
Number one, we need to bribe the Sunnis. By any means possible. If we have any especially clueful reconstruction contractors, we ought to concentrate them in some particular Sunni city and prove, by example, that the new regime can deliver a better life for Sunnis than the old one. If we could actually get a few Sunni sheiks to raise a militia that would fight against rather than with the insurgency, that'd be wonderful -- for propaganda to fellow Sunnis as much as for anti-insurgent value. Literal bribes would help, too. Saddam's government ran as much on handouts to local leaders as on fear and terror. It's too late for us to be shy. If boxes of cash in Fallujah and Ramadi can get a whispering campaign going against the insurgency, then we should deploy boxes of cash in Fallujah and Ramadi. If they need good jobs in Anbar province, let's just go ahead and give every town council in al-Anbar authority to hire ten thousand Iraqis on America's payroll for whatever job the town suggests. It doesn't matter how we do it: bribe the Sunnis.

Pearsall Helms, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

That's a long term solution how?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2001/537/cu1.jpg

I fight because it is my pleasure...

Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

That's a long term solution how?

Wasn't saying it was a long-term solution. Just linking to what I thought was some interesting analysis.

Does anyone even have a credible long-term solution for Iraq?

Pearsall Helms, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

Lowry at NRO world faces up to things:

One problem is that American enthusiasm for fighting to spread democracy around the globe is pretty limited. Bush has to make the case that American security--not just democracy, human rights, etc.--but American security is deeply implicated here. The other problem is that conditions have taken a downturn over the last couple of months. The insurgency and the fight against it is about adjustments--and the fact is that the insurgents have adjusted to our adjustments that had culminated in the success of the elections and the immediate aftermath (check out the Pete Pace quote in this USA Today article). I have very little doubt that Bush is going to stick this out, but he's probably going to have a tough selling-job here at home.

And the flacks like Lowry are about to have it worse! (To Lowry's credit he's pretty much admitting that Derbyshire, increasingly the arch-doubter of much of the BushCo conventional wisdom, was spot on earlier this year.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

(I should say archdoubter in NRO land. There are far more archdoubters elsewhere, of course!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

Bush has to make the case that American security--not just democracy, human rights, etc.--but American security is deeply implicated here.

This is a pretty hilarious statement, seeing as how it implies that the "case" for invading Iraq ever had to do with democracy or human rights. The whole thing was sold on the basis of American security! They only switched to democracy and human rights as a fallback. But now the democracy stuff is turning out to be too complicated, so I guess it's back to crying wolf.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Sullivan either dug this one up or had it sent to him, but either way, it's a doozy of a quote. The original source had his own problems with truth-telling, by all accounts, but frankly, I'm willing to set that one aside:

"[We] have been led in Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honour. [We] have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information. The Baghdad communiqués are belated, insincere, incomplete. Things have been far worse than we have been told, our administration more bloody and inefficient than the public knows... Our unfortunate troops,... under hard conditions of climate and supply, are policing an immense area, paying dearly every day in lives for the willfully wrong policy of the civil administration in Baghdad." - T.E. Lawrence, Sunday Times of London, August 22, 1920.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

just an idle fancy, but what kind of PR from the gov't can we expect when the US troop death toll in Iraq passes the WTC death toll...? Media oughta have a field day with that one...

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 16 June 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

We've already killed more of their (Afghani & Iraqi) innocent civilians by an order of magnitude.

BTW, most people remember the early estimates of the numer killed in the WTC, which were quite a bit higher than the final count. OTOH, a great many people totally overlook or forget the death tolls from the Pentagon and the flight that went down in Pennsylvania that day. So, I guess one hand washed the other.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 16 June 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

oh, I'm well aware of the death toll estimates - but y'know, us 'Muricans don't care 'bout them furriners blood. they're just ragheads after all....

(as far as my initial post goes, I'm thinking of the 3,000+ WTC number. that seems to have the most cultural currency).

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 16 June 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Just for the record:

"In and around the twin towers there were 2752 deaths, while 189 people died when a plane was flown into the Pentagon. Another 44 were killed when a hijacked jet crashed into a field in Pennsylvania. The official tolls do not include 19 hijackers."

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 16 June 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

So 3K is about right. It's only 15 off.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 16 June 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

Fragging

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

An interesting National Review editorial -- not that they've suddenly changed their mind or anything (hardly) but note how they're tailoring the rhetoric a bit, all of a sudden there's much more in the way of conditional phrases instead of perfect assurances. Telling conclusion:

The spring of '04 was a trough before a turnaround. The last few months may yet prove to be the same.

"May" -- not "will."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

Ned, can you imagine some kind of 'positive' (spun) outcome to all of this? What are the most likely outcomes?

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

for some reason, this paragraph really made me laugh:

"That means being careful to avoid unsupportable statements. Vice President Cheney famously said the other day that the insurgency is in its “last throes,” an implausible reading of the situation reminiscent of Secretary Rumsfeld's initial insistence two years ago that there wasn't a guerilla insurgency in Iraq. There is a case for optimism in Iraq, but if it is made in a way that seems untethered from reality... it will be dismissed out of hand."

Ned, I'm glad you have the stomach to keep yr analytical eye on the other side here. For me its all a little too depressing and/or irritating.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 17 June 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

There being many different possible outcomes I am focusing in more on the language used in certain corners. You'll note the piece is starting to shift a bit more blame onto BushCo for the current state of things, but not so much for the actions as for the claims that Cheney was too intemperant the other day and Bush hasn't been focused on the issue. Considering that's because he spent most of his time this first part of the year on Social Security plus a dash of Schiavo and Bolton -- all of which the NR were all 'woo, yay!' about -- what did they expect?

(Meanwhile, in a related but not specifically about Iraq piece regarding Bush's declining popularity, Fred Barnes makes the amusing case that his unpopularity shows how correctly-thinking he is. Indeed?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

man Fred Barnes... I've hated that guy since I was 10 yrs old, watching the McLaughlin Group w/my dad over Sunday morning pancakes...

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 17 June 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Note that the apparently bumlick biography on Bush due next year Barnes is writing is called Rebel-in-Chief. Of course, of course...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, here's another thing to dip into via Austin Bay and his reporting on site in Iraq -- note the language in this conclusion and how it parallels the NR piece:

The Bush Administration has yet to ask the American people –correction, has yet to demand of the American people– the sustained, shared sacrifice it takes to win this long, intricate war of bullets, ballots, and bricks. Bullets go bang, and even CBS understands bullets. Ballots make an impression–in terms of this war’s battlespace, the January Iraqi elections were World War Two’s D-Day and the Battle of the Bulge combined. But the bricks– the building of Iraq, Afghanistan, and the other hard corners where this war is and will be fought– that’s a delicate and decades long challenge. Given the vicious, megalomanical enemy we face, five years, perhaps fifteen years from now occasional bullets and bombs will disrupt the political and economic building. This is the Bush Administration’s biggest strategic mistake– a failure to tap the reservoir of American willingness 9/11 produced. One afternoon in December 2001 my mother –after reading a column of mine in her local paper– called me long-distance. She told me she remembered being a teenager in 1942 and tossing a tin can on a wagon that rolled past the train station in her small Texas hometown. (Plainview– one reason I know Lanc-Corporal Solis’ hometown– it’s my parents birthplace.) Mom said she knew that the can she tossed didn’t add much to the war effort, but she felt that in some, small, token perhaps but very real way, that she was contributing to the battle being waged by our soldiers. “The Bush Administration is going to make a terrible mistake if it does not let the American people get involved in this war. Austin, we need a war bond drive. This matters, because this is what it will take.”

Some interesting and I think erroneous conclusions here -- the biggest one being this lack of 'tapping' the reservoir. Surely that *is* what happened to help produce a vaguely general acceptance of the invasion to begin with (and the point is that the reservoir having now been tapped there's no going back again). But the larger point seems to be a slow burn realization among some corners that poor selling earlier could have greater consequences later.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

...Rumsfeld engaged in contentious exchanges with committee Democrats.

"Isn't it time for you to resign?" Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass., asked the defense secretary, citing what he called "gross errors and mistakes" in the U.S. military campaign in Iraq.

"I've offered my resignation to the president twice," Rumsfeld shot back, saying that President Bush had decided not to accept it. "That's his call," he said.


hold on, it's the Preznit's call whether Rummy quits or not?

kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

hold on, it's the Preznit's call whether Rummy quits or not?

I knew of the one instance where he offered to resign. Still, if the POTUS asks you to serve, most people will stay at their post 'til the end, regardless of the administration or party.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Parapundit a few days back. Some good links and thoughts, many already linked above.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

"Because, if they really believe their own bs, then it must be like a fucking shroomfest. An alternate reality. "

I'm telling you, its a cult.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 23 June 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

"And any who say that we've lost this war, or that we're losing this war are wrong. We are not," [Rumsfeld] said.

This one big advantage you gain by never defining what winning the war would look like - you can't lose.

But who wants to bet that the neo-con honchos in the Administration are constantly defining down their measures of success to match whatever we're capable of acomplishing? Any takers?

I'd also bet that these same world-class thinkers privately acknowledge among themselves that the insurgents are successfully building a coherent structure of recruitment and resupply, and have evolved a strategic plan and consistently successful tactics, and that these neo-cons have successfully convinced themselves that by knowing these things exist and writing white papers about them, that they have proved themselves to be 'hardheaded' and 'realistic' and therefore superior to the situation.

This is the usual self-deluding mechanism - that by always having an answer for everything, you soon forget that your last batch of answers were all pretty much worthless.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 23 June 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Looted Art from Iraq said to fund terrorists

kingfish, Thursday, 23 June 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

More from Belgravia, last of a series of posts on the Congressional appearances today so don't take this as the sole conclusion. Still, I appreciate the directness:

The public needs to be rallied anew to the task at hand. Bush should likely give a speech to the nation spelling out what the consequences of retreat from Iraq would be. And ask the nation for patience and renewed committment to the war effort. He should neither be too optimistic, nor too pessimistic. But he has to treat his public as having heads on their shoulders--and keep the spin and rosy gloss to a mimimum. I mean, I just saw Cheney in my hotel room in Geneva in a Wolf Blitzer interview actually going on about what the definition of "throes" is when you look it up in the dictionary. Still spinning the "last throes" bit! Message to Veep: This sounds Clintonian and parsy and disingenuous. Only when the American people feel they are getting the real skinny will the country rally again to the task at hand. And so help make the troops under Abizaid's command less concerned about whether the American people support them. They do, still, in the main. But many are increasingly skeptical and disillusioned. Again, I wager this is mostly borne of the over-optimistic prognostications of their leaders. Put differently, let's celebrate the victories when they occur; not before. Honesty is the best policy, still. And the honest truth is success in Iraq, real success (a viable, unitary democratic state with multi-ethnic, integrated security forces), is still years away.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)

hmm. i still don't associate Clintonian with disinginuousness, tho. Slickness, yeah, but...

kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 24 June 2005 03:37 (twenty years ago)

Keep in mind the political point of view of the poster here. Belgravia generally leans right, last I checked.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 03:39 (twenty years ago)

well, yeah, but still...

kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 24 June 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

What is 'is,' anyway?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

I knew of the one instance where he offered to resign.

Yeah, but that's bullshit. You "offer to resign" just so it can be refused. It's a way of saying fuck you to the haterz. Rumsfeld has never once seriously contemplated resignation.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 24 June 2005 04:55 (twenty years ago)

Apparently our belov'd president is to make some sort of primetime TV speech on Iraq on Tuesday night.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the Iraqi PM is in DC right now. Wonder if he'd been scheduled to visit for weeks, or if they called him up just called him up to say, "yo, get over here. the preznit needs you to show up on tv with him".

Also, I, Criswell, boldly predict that Dubya will make no less than THREE baseless strawman-statements tonight, e.g. "some people say that iraqis can't govern for shit".

kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Reconstruction problems? Oh such a surprise.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Apparently our belov'd president is to make some sort of primetime TV speech on Iraq on Tuesday night.

At first glance I thought that said primitive or primate.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm. Baghdad airport has shut down.

Baghdad airport has been closed indefinitely in a dispute over payment for security.
The British company that provides security to the airport, Global, has withdrawn its services in what it says is a contractual dispute.

Military flights, however, are not affected.

Travelling out of Baghdad airport is hazardous enough at the best of times but now it is not possible at all, at least on civilian flights.

It is understood that Global has not been paid by the Iraqi government for three months.

It is not clear whether there is any connection but the Iraqi transport ministry is frequently accused of corruption.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Eric "Greatest Historian of Our Time" Hobsbawm has an article in today's Guardian, delicately entitled "America's neo-conservative world supremacists will fail"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 25 June 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Not *the* biggest surprise but Rumsfeld has apparently just said openly that the US and at least some members of the insurgency are in some sort of discussion/contact. This has been mentioned before here or there unofficially. I have to wonder if it this is a heads-up pre-Tuesday W. speech.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 June 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

Okay, more details:

US officials in Iraq have had talks with leaders of the anti-US insurgency, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says.

Mr Rumsfeld was commenting on an article in London's Sunday Times newspaper which said two such sessions had taken place north of Baghdad.

Without giving any details, Mr Rumsfeld told Fox News: "The first thing you want to do is split people off and get some people to be supportive."

...

Quoting Iraqi sources, the Sunday Times said insurgent commanders "apparently came face to face" with four American officials during the talks held on 3 and 13 June at a summer villa near Balad, about 40 miles (60km) north of Baghdad.

It said the insurgents included representatives of Ansar al-Sunna, which has carried out numerous suicide bombings, as well as lesser known groups such as Mohammed's Army, the Islamic Army in Iraq and Jaish Mohammed.

Mr Rumsfeld did not confirm any details of the talks - and sought to downplay their significance.

"I would not make a big deal out of it," he told Fox News.

"Meetings go on frequently with people.

"I think the attention to this is overblown."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 June 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

How to self-inflict a pie-face. Firstly, adopt the rhetoric of national survival and pose the conflict in stark terms of good and evil. Then have a friendly card game with the enemy and blow it off as no big deal.

Not that I disapprove of their talking, but I am a left-coast liberal. This won't play well in Texas, I suspect.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 26 June 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Rumsfeld was on Fox with Wallace this AM. God I hate their playacting charade where Wallace pretends to be a journalist and Rumsfeld pretends to be a straight shooter.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 26 June 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Rumsfeld said "the insurgents have no vision" like 5 times...The Vision Thing (TM) strikes back!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 26 June 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

They have no vision and the US is still talking to them. Indeed.

Derbyshire on Rumsfeld on Meet the Press:

Getting flashbacks from my working days. A project is going pear shaped. You call in the project manager to explain himself. Shouldn't he have budgeted for more people? "Well, you know, too many people can just get in each other's way..." When can we expect the next deliverable? "It's really, really hard to put a time frame on this..." Weren't the original time estimates way over optimistic? "I don't myself recall giving eny input to those estimates..." Shouldn't the users be up to speed now with training? "Well, they have their own priorities, we can only lean on them so much..."

That's the meeting right before the one where you dump the project and fire the project manager.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 June 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

I went to the Fox news site for the show, and right below the blurb on the show this morning was an for "Sexy Iraq Singles"

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 26 June 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, some random Sullivan-linked goods:

Overall Sunday Times guide to 'Downing Street Memo' documets.

Zakaria thinks this:

The good news is that America has stopped blundering in Iraq. After two and a half years of errors, since late 2004, Washington has been urging political inclusion, speeding up economic reconstruction and building up local forces. But U.S. policy still lacks central direction—and the energy, vision, increased resources and push that such direction would bring. Who is running Iraq policy in Washington?

The intense and bitter interagency squabbles of the past three years—and the disastrous mistakes made by the Defense Department and the Coalition Provisional Authority—have left Iraq something of an orphan. Day to day, Iraq policy is now run by the State Department and the U.S. Army, but those two chains of command never meet.

On the civilian side, for example, the American effort is massively understaffed. Several Army officers in Iraq told me that their jobs would be greatly improved if they had more people from the State Department, USAID and other civilian agencies helping. One said to me last year, "I've had 25-year-old sergeants adjudicating claims between Turkomans and Kurds, when they don't really know how they are different. We could use political officers who could brief them."

The vacuum is being filled by the U.S. Army, which has been building bridges and schools, securing neighborhoods and power plants and, yes, adjudicating claims between Turkomans and Kurds. It is doing these things because someone has to. Secretary Rumsfeld has long argued that American troops should never engage in nation building, leaving that to locals. But while we waited for Iraqis to do it, chaos broke out and terror reigned. So the Army on the ground has ignored Rumsfeld's ideology and has simply made things work. (It's a good rule of thumb for the future.)

But if we want to move beyond coping, we need a full-scale revitalization of Iraq policy, with resources to match it. Muddling along will ensure we don't lose in Iraq, but we won't win either.

And finally the story about negotiations Rumsfeld responded to today.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 June 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Hmm...I know you do what you have to, but the bit from the commanding officer to his troops here prior to their deployment in Iraq in two weeks is a bit contradictory perhaps:

"We are all about to embark on a life-altering mission that will be a defining period that will influence you the rest of your lives," Norris said. "We enter freely into a country with a distinct history and very deep roots. Iraq is recognized as the birthplace of civilization, the location of the Garden of Eden. ... We go with purpose but also with respect.
"Please take this time on leave to relax and to reflect on what we are about to do on the field of battle. Enjoy this time off with your family, be safe and return with earnest, ready to deploy and most importantly -- unleash hell!"

Full story here. It's well worth reading in general.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 June 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

And the headline is also suggestive:

172nd to be largest Alaska deployment since Vietnam

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 June 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

Various rhetorical mutterings and back-and-forths today from the usual suspects but the real area of interest these last couple of days might be courtesy of the Marines. First, check out this internal report obtained by the Soldiers for the Truth crew and others. Basically it indicates that Marine equipment is being placed under incredible stress due to Iraq deployment.

An example of these problems lies with improperly protected Humvees, brought up (among other things) at a Congressional hearing (details here). The NY Times has a report with an intro that says it all:

When Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld visited Iraq last year to tour the Abu Ghraib prison camp, military officials did not rely on a government-issued Humvee to transport him safely on the ground. Instead, they turned to Halliburton, the oil services contractor, which lent the Pentagon a rolling fortress of steel called the Rhino Runner.

State Department officials traveling in Iraq use armored vehicles that are built with V-shaped hulls to better deflect bullets and bombs. Members of Congress favor another model, called the M1117, which can endure 12-pound explosives and .50-caliber armor-piercing rounds.

Unlike the Humvee, the Pentagon's vehicle of choice for American troops, the others were designed from scratch to withstand attacks in battlefields like Iraq with no safe zones. Last fall, for instance, a Rhino traveling the treacherous airport road in Baghdad endured a bomb that left a six-foot-wide crater. The passengers walked away unscathed. "I have no doubt should I have been in any other vehicle," wrote an Army captain, the lone military passenger, "the results would have been catastrophically different."

Yet more than two years into the war, efforts by United States military units to obtain large numbers of these stronger vehicles for soldiers have faltered - even as the Pentagon's program to armor Humvees continues to be plagued by delays, an examination by The New York Times has found.

ParaPundit follows this up with further commentary.

Even some of the most armored Humvees are getting totally destroyed by bombs while many Humvees have yet to get up-armored. But the Humvees are obsolete for a war like Iraq where there are no clearly defined front lines. If Congress and the President were serious about protecting American soldiers they'd pass a law authorizing completely different and highly rapid procurement practices for equipment bound for Iraq.

SFTT, meanwhile, as its wont, is frothing mad at Marine highers-up:

If Nyland and Catto truly accepted personal responsibility for a failure of leadership which led to the deaths of their Marines, they had one, and only one, honorable course of action – to walk the plank and resign their commissions. A painful trip that would have meant kissing their generous pensions and juicy revolving-door perqs goodbye.

The silence from Marine Commandant Mike Hagee's office on this matter merely underlines that Nyland and Catto were playing the "take responsibility" ploy with his approval – and a gullible news media once again bought into a Pentagon con that let the perps prevail.

Hagee – who should have been taking responsibility and sitting at the table alongside Nyland and Catto – was instead running around presenting coins to the grieving parents of a Marine being buried at Arlington National Cemetery and a Marine being readied for surgery at Bethesda National Naval Medical Center. Certainly, he had the power to have given these folks something even more meaningful along with the coins – new and competent commanders with the right stuff to prevent other needless casualties.

Belgravia meanwhile queries the general note of contradiction over the last few days from the White House and associates. Roll on the Ft. Bragg speech tomorrow, I guess.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

Some good news, seemingly. Where would we be without Sistani?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)

Separate thread for the speech tonight here:

Come anticipate (and then react to) Bush's Iraq speech tonight with me

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Belgravia roasts Rumsfeld's weekend talk some more.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

I thnks you, Ned, for the intro to Belgravia. How mauch weight does it have IYO?

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050628/wl_afp/unrightsusattacks_050628194245

Free cruises!? I'm outraged!

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

Belgravia is interesting because it's v. much a pro-war site but is thoroughly and increasingly p.o'd with how everything has been handled since. The bitter edge you sense throughout much of it is the result of betrayed expectations as opposed to already being annoyed with BushCo. (This is part of the reason why it's much more illuminating to read right-leaning sites in general than left, much as I enjoy TalkingPoints.)

Its weight? Well, it's well known and often linked to from a variety of usual suspects -- Instapundit, Sullivan, the NRO, etc. I couldn't say what specific weight it carries but it isn't obscure.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

When it comes to Iraq and the war, I put Belgravia (Gregory Djerejian) and Thomas P.M. Barnett high upon my list. They've got as much or more credibility than any of the other big hitters on military issues.

And I've said it before and I'll say it again, TPM has plummeted downhill very badly, so badly that I can't even bear to trudge through his new TPM Cafe. A friend of Joshua Marshall named Steve Clemons used to be a pretty great foreign policy read, but he too has descended into a one note, rather shrill pony.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

TPM tells me little in terms of overall strategy, which seems to be Marshall's goal. I prefer the obsessive hobby-horsing on smaller but interesting enough stories, like the current Duke Cunningham idiocy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, another one from Belgravia, quoting and commenting on this piece from a Reagan aide/CIA feller. Worth the reading as a contrast to the Bush rah-rah speech. Belgravia follow-up interesting too:

"Sit down with your generals privately – just you and them -- and find out how many troops they really think they need." Translation: Please don't invite Don to this little prospective pow-wow. Why are former Reagan hands writing this? Because they are hearing from the brass that Rummy has tied their hands...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

It's also worth reading to witness an interesting detachment from reality.

If they tell you they need another 250,000 soldiers and Marines – then fly them over from Korea, Germany or wherever they are stationed just as fast as possible. If we haven’t got them to send – then order a draft. One way or another, put enough troops on the ground in Iraq to secure that country -- fast. And while you’re at it, give the orders to either take out the governments of Syria and Iran or to hit them with so much force that they quit playing footsie with al Queda and the Baathists, because we cannot win in Iraq so long as Syria and Iran are providing support and sanctuary. In short, do whatever is necessary, and do it now.
You need to start fighting in Washington just as hard as you expect our troops to fight in Iraq. And you need to keep fighting until the Potomac flows red with the blood of your political enemies. Personally, I think you’ll win more of your domestic battles than your advisers seem to think you’ll win. But what really matters is that by fighting to the death for your domestic programs, our country’s enemies will get the message that you are a man who will risk everything – everything – to win. And by itself this will markedly increase our chances for victory in Iraq.

Herbert E. Meyer served during the Reagan Administration as Special Assistant to the Director of Central Intelligence and Vice Chairman of the CIA’s National Intelligence Council.

Somebody needs to get back on his meds right away.

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

Dear Prez,

Oh, yeah, also, invent time travel and redo this whole enterprise from the start, after removing everyone's head from Chalabi's and PNAC's ass. Consider what Shinseki was telling you all along. Read State's assessment of post-war prospects. Do this and then kick some of your political opponents in the balls with 9/11 a few hundred more times.

You are teh most freedom-lovin'est President ever, God bless, and thanks for the time travel!

Love,
HERB.

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's definitely...rendolent.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 04:01 (twenty years ago)

But what really matters is that by fighting to the death for your domestic programs, our country’s enemies will get the message that you are a man who will risk everything – everything – to win.

"By the beard of the Prophet, can nothing shake this man's determination to create Social Security accounts?"
"And see how he battles a recalcitrant Senate for his chosen emissary, he of the Fierce Mustache!"
"Truly, our God quails before such resolve. All is lost!"

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

Reactions to the speech last night were predictable enough on the immedate front, and pretty well have continued today -- Bush freaks get all happy, Bush doubters are unconvinced = nothing changes (which is not a positive thing for Bush).

Derbyshire in NROland was initially praising but his doubts came back in full this morning; slightly more surprising is Frum's conclusion:



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JUN. 29, 2005: WANTING MORE

It was good to see the president make his case on Iraq. Although the polls tell us good news about American resolve (only 1 in 8 want to give up) and about Americans' long-term strategic sense (a majority agree that the war will enhance American security over the long term), there is no denying that a mood of doubt about the war is spreading, in this country and even more rapidly amongst the coalition allies: Britain, Australia, Italy, and the others. The president's voice is the best reply.

Viewers saw again that intense emotional bond the president has with America's fighting forces. He praised the military calling and the character of the American fighting forces - a well-timed rebuke to those who'd compare American soldiers to Nazis and Communists. He repeated his own resolution and commitment to fighting through to the end.

Is it too much like inside-baseball to worry, though, that the speech itself was neither very good nor very convincing? It's reported this morning that 11 people worked on the speech - and it shows. That all-important conference in Brussels (where potential aid donors "came together to coordinate their efforts") got a mention. So of course did the follow-on meeting in Jordan.

There were generalities about "progress," about road construction and sanitation? But where were the powerful individual stories that help Americans to understand what's being accomplished in Iraq? As NRO readers know, there's a regular monthly compendium posted here. Why the faint praise for Iraqi forces - rather than the powerful anecdotes of courage that the President cited in his State of the Union address?

Or, alternatively, if the president's advisers don't believe the good news - if they think things really are sagging and that the Iraqis are useless - then why not forcefully present that other case that loomed in the background of the speech: why not detail the real consequences of a failure in Iraq, the threat a terrorist victory would pose to the region and the United States?

Instead, one could feel the bureaucratic mind oscillating throughout the speech: don't want to frighten people with the possibility of failure, so we can't discuss that; on the other hand, we don't want to endorse any successes in case something goes wrong later and we get criticized for over-hype - so better just hide ourselves in bland reassurances and generalities ... you never get blamed for those.

So one might think.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/in_a_pictureislamic_wars/index.html

Fun with one of the PR photos from Rummy's visit.

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

those who'd compare American soldiers to Nazis and Communists.

The new "they spit on soldiers just back from 'Nam."

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

One story about one soldier.

Eventually one of many?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

goddammit, i hate it when press-folk do this shit:

Bush Critics Call for More Troops in Iraq

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
41 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Congressional critics of President Bush's stay-the-course commitment to the war in Iraq argued Wednesday that the administration lacks sufficient troops on the ground to mount a successful counterinsurgency.

Democrats in particular criticized Bush for again raising the Sept. 11 attacks as a justification for the protracted fight in Iraq after the president proclaimed anew that he plans to keep U.S. forces there as long as necessary to ensure peace...

the entire piece repeatedly equates "critics" with "democrats"(with the exception of McCain) as tho the only people ANYWHERE to say that they needed more folks are people with a partisian agenda. So of course, any such calls are easily dismissed because they could only come from folks with a bone to pick, right? I mean, no MILITARY folks or any congressional Repubs, who of course are all unquestionably in support of the Preznit and the Party agenda, ever voiced anything else, right? (again, excepting McCain)

Almost every person quoted is a Democrat, and you're made SURE that he's a democrat, since the writer takes pains to fully type out the party affliation, whereas the sole Republican only has the "R", and word "Republican" never appears in the piece.

Framing any sort of criticism as yet more partisian bickering is SERIOUSLY disingenious and wrong at this point. But you can always get more column inches out of conflict, even if you have to frame it up yourself.

of course, this AP piece is written by the hack Pickler, who was no shortage of fun stories during the election about how rich Kerry was & how lavish his lifestyle(giving dollar amounts) whereas how the Preznit just lived on a ranch.

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

Oops. Fucked up the formatting there. Can somebody add a blockquote tag just before that article begins?

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Blair is just shocked people would wonder about those memos:

"The trouble with having a political discussion on the basis of things that are leaked is that they are always taken right out of context. Everything else is omitted from the discussion and you end up focusing on a specific document," he said.

"It would be absolutely weird if, when the Iraq issue was on the agenda, you were not constantly raising issues, trying to work them out, get them in the right place," he said.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

Two posts from Tacitus, here and here, reflect both on the realties of the war in terms of stretching the Army badly as well as discussing motivations to serve and fight in a large sense.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)


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