― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Monday, 6 June 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)
― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Monday, 6 June 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 6 June 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)
― Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Monday, 6 June 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)
Erm... Rehnquist was one of the dissenting voters.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)
I thought this was about whether these Californians had a right under California law to grow their own cannabis (as prescribed by their physicians) for their own medical use without interfernece from Federal laws! WTF is Stevens on about? Where is there a profit motive?
― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)
it's like the old joke -- Q: what's a liberal? A: a conservative who's just been arrested!
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)
This bit in Scalia's concurring opinion might offer some insight:
"Not only is it impossible to distinguish "controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate" from "controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate," but it hardly makes sense to speak in such terms. Drugs like marijuana are fungible commodities. As the Court explains, marijuana that is grown at home and possessed for personal use is never more than an instant from the interstate market--and this is so whether or not the possession is for medicinal use or lawful use under the laws of a particular State."
― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)
The disagreement between Scalia and the Rehnquist-O'Connor-Thomas dissent in this case is highly nuanced and lawyerly. The dissenters would, as Mark Levin notes, essentially throw out a long (and highly questionable) line of Commerce Clause cases that permit Congress to regulate personal growth and consumption of a product (without any sale into interstate commerce), where that activity would substantially affect interstate commerce. Basically, as Jonathan and Mark note, it is hard to see how the personal consumption of marijuana grown in one's own backyard has an effect on interstate commerce. But Justice Scalia sees it differently, invoking the "Necessary and Proper" clause of the constitution and concluding that Congress can regulate this growth because the regulation is necessary to make effective a much broader scheme of federal regulation of marijuana sales and distribution. Whatever one's view of federal drug laws, this is an interesting debate about federal power.
Sullivan is also cheesed.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)
so, we'll see what happens.
― kf, Monday, 6 June 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)
Argued November 29, 2004 -- Decided June 6, 2005Opinion author: Stevens
Stevens, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer, JJ., joined. Scalia, J., filed anopinion concurring in the judgment. O'Connor, J., filed adissenting opinion, in which Rehnquist, C. J., and Thomas, J.,joined as to all but Part III. Thomas, J., filed a dissentingopinion.
=============================================================== California's Compassionate Use Actauthorizes limited marijuana use for medicinal purposes. Respondents Raich and Monson are California residents who bothuse doctor-recommended marijuana for serious medicalconditions. After federal Drug Enforcement Administration(DEA) agents seized and destroyed all six of Monson'scannabis plants, respondents brought this action seekinginjunctive and declaratory relief prohibiting the enforcementof the federal Controlled Substances Act (CSA) to the extent itprevents them from possessing, obtaining, or manufacturingcannabis for their personal medical use. Respondents claimthat enforcing the CSA against them would violate the CommerceClause and other constitutional provisions. The District Courtdenied respondents' motion for a preliminary injunction,but the Ninth Circuit reversed, finding that they haddemonstrated a strong likelihood of success on the claim thatthe CSA is an unconstitutional exercise of Congress'Commerce Clause authority as applied to the intrastate,noncommercial cultivation and possession of cannabis forpersonal medical purposes as recommended by a patient'sphysician pursuant to valid California state law. The courtrelied heavily on United States v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 549, andUnited States v. Morrison, 529 U.S. 598, to holdthat this separate class of purely local activities was beyondthe reach of federal power.
Held: Congress' Commerce Clause authority includes the power to prohibit the local cultivation and use of marijuana in compliance with California law. Pp. 6-31.
(a) For the purposes of consolidating various drug laws into acomprehensive statute, providing meaningful regulation overlegitimate sources of drugs to prevent diversion into illegalchannels, and strengthening law enforcement tools againstinternational and interstate drug trafficking, Congress enactedthe Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of1970, Title II of which is the CSA. To effectuate thestatutory goals, Congress devised a closed regulatory systemmaking it unlawful to manufacture, distribute, dispense, orpossess any controlled substance except as authorized by theCSA. 21 U.S.C. sect.841(a)(1), 844(a). All controlled substances areclassified into five schedules, sect.812, based on theiraccepted medical uses, their potential for abuse, and theirpsychological and physical effects on the body,sects.811, 812. Marijuana is classified as aSchedule I substance, sect.812(c), based on its highpotential for abuse, no accepted medical use, and no acceptedsafety for use in medically supervised treatment,sect.812(b)(1). This classification renders the manufacture,distribution, or possession of marijuana a criminal offense. sects.841(a)(1), 844(a). Pp. 6-11.
(b) Congress' power toregulate purely local activities that are part of an economic"class of activities" that have a substantial effecton interstate commerce is firmly established. See, e.g.,Perez v. United States, 402 U.S. 146, 151. If Congress decides that the " 'totalincidence' " of a practice poses a threat to anational market, it may regulate the entire class. See,e.g., id., at 154-155. Of particular relevancehere is Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111,127-128, where, in rejecting the appellee farmer'scontention that Congress' admitted power to regulate theproduction of wheat for commerce did not authorize federalregulation of wheat production intended wholly for theappellee's own consumption, the Court established thatCongress can regulate purely intrastate activity that is notitself "commercial," i.e., not produced forsale, if it concludes that failure to regulate that class ofactivity would undercut the regulation of the interstate marketin that commodity. The similarities between this case andWickard are striking. In both cases, the regulation issquarely within Congress' commerce power becauseproduction of the commodity meant for home consumption, be itwheat or marijuana, has a substantial effect on supply anddemand in the national market for that commodity. In assessingthe scope of Congress' Commerce Clause authority, theCourt need not determine whether respondents' activities,taken in the aggregate, substantially affect interstatecommerce in fact, but only whether a "rational basis"exists for so concluding. E.g., Lopez, 514 U.S., at557. Given the enforcement difficulties that attenddistinguishing between marijuana cultivated locally andmarijuana grown elsewhere, 21 U.S.C. sect.801(5), and concerns about diversion into illicit channels,the Court has no difficulty concluding that Congress had arational basis for believing that failure to regulate theintrastate manufacture and possession of marijuana would leavea gaping hole in the CSA. Pp. 12-20.
(c) Respondents' heavy reliance on Lopez and Morrison overlooks thelarger context of modern-era Commerce Clause jurisprudencepreserved by those cases, while also reading those cases fartoo broadly. The statutory challenges at issue there weremarkedly different from the challenge here. Respondents askthe Court to excise individual applications of a concededlyvalid comprehensive statutory scheme. In contrast, in bothLopez and Morrison, the parties asserted that aparticular statute or provision fell outside Congress'commerce power in its entirety. This distinction is pivotalfor the Court has often reiterated that "[w]here the classof activities is regulated and that class is within the reachof federal power, the courts have no power 'to excise, astrivial, individual instances' of the class." Perez, 402 U.S., at 154. Moreover, the Court emphasizedthat the laws at issue in Lopez and Morrison hadnothing to do with "commerce" or any sort of economicenterprise. See Lopez, 514 U.S., at 561; Morrison,529 U.S., at 610. In contrast, the CSA regulatesquintessentially economic activities: the production,distribution, and consumption of commodities for which there isan established, and lucrative, interstate market. Prohibitingthe intrastate possession or manufacture of an article ofcommerce is a rational means of regulating commerce in thatproduct. The Ninth Circuit cast doubt on the CSA'sconstitutionality by isolating a distinct class of activitiesthat it held to be beyond the reach of federal power: theintrastate, noncommercial cultivation, possession, and use ofmarijuana for personal medical purposes on the advice of aphysician and in accordance with state law. However, Congressclearly acted rationally in determining that this subdividedclass of activities is an essential part of the largerregulatory scheme. The case comes down to the claim that alocally cultivated product that is used domestically ratherthan sold on the open market is not subject to federalregulation. Given the CSA's findings and the undisputedmagnitude of the commercial market for marijuana,Wickard and its progeny foreclose that claim. Pp.20-30.352 F.3d 1222, vacated and remanded.
― J (Jay), Monday, 6 June 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)
So I finally remembered to google the address and, exactly...it's a medical marijuana clinic! Now I'm totally fascinated by this. My guess is that everyone I saw going on could have been staff there, but it almost seemed like too many people for such a small place. So...how exactly does one qualify to receive medicinal marijuana...and...what it is like????
― High Tea in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)
― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)
LA gets 'pot vending machines'. And an about-what-I-expected photo:
http://www.latimes.com/media/alternatethumbnails/photo/2008-01/35018775-30131336.jpg
Mehdizadeh said he spent seven months to develop and patent the black, armored box, which he calls the "PVM," or prescription vending machine.A sliding fence protects the tinted windows of his dispensary, barely distinguishing it from a busy thoroughfare of strip malls, automobile dealers and furniture shops. A box resembling a large refrigerator stands inside the nearly empty shop, near a few shelves stocked with vitamins and herbs.A guard in a black T-shirt emblazoned with the word "Security" on the front stands at the door. A poster of Bob Marley decorates a back room.
A sliding fence protects the tinted windows of his dispensary, barely distinguishing it from a busy thoroughfare of strip malls, automobile dealers and furniture shops. A box resembling a large refrigerator stands inside the nearly empty shop, near a few shelves stocked with vitamins and herbs.
A guard in a black T-shirt emblazoned with the word "Security" on the front stands at the door. A poster of Bob Marley decorates a back room.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 21:44 (eighteen years ago)
Does NED RAGGETT smoke weed?
― sanskrit, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 21:50 (eighteen years ago)
Don't we all.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 21:52 (eighteen years ago)
is arthritis on the list of weed-allowing diseases?
― milo z, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 21:52 (eighteen years ago)
"We" as in the collective Raggett consciousness?
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 23:47 (eighteen years ago)
yes, milo.
― chaki, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 23:51 (eighteen years ago)
Dude they interviewed on NPR had a "recommendation" (prescription) to assist in his anger management.
I was impressed.
― en i see kay, Thursday, 31 January 2008 04:11 (eighteen years ago)