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on another board to be named later, tom got me on using the same phrase twice (i assume i musta used it in the piano magic piece, but my mind is mush right now. still in a foul mood tom?), for which he would earn himself a poke if he was around. it's symptomatic of something which i've been whining about a lot lately: the fact that i seem to be cannibalizing my meager stack of ideas a little too much these days. fer instance: this gives me a probably well needed drumming for overreliance on cliche.) is there anything one can do to avoid cliche (even - especially? - self-cliche)? how can one go about getting some *new* ideas. (i suspect it's the fact that my breadth of knowledge is somewhat thin lately, which would owe to the fact that I READ ABOUT NOTHING EXCEPT MUSIC THESE DAYS. "well, there's yr problem right there chucklehead.")

jess, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

blah blah blah.

jess, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha ha ha! No it was that you'd used it twice in THAT PARAGRAPH Jess. And it was me being a meanie anyway.

REal answer to follow probably.

Tom, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

how can one go about getting some *new* ideas
Just contradict everything. When someone mentions the earth is round, just say "You LIAR, it's squarish, I bumped into a corner the other day." when someone says "It's really cold today?" Say you're off to change into yer bermudas and Hawaii t-shirt.

helen fordsdale, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yeah, I am bored today. Off to the *real world*. I actually wonder why people call it *the real world* as opposed to this world which is - what - fictional?!? Tom is some automaton that spews out replies to my dribble? Or Jess is in fact a robot that starts threads about cliches which is a message that I am in fact a cliche - something I already discovered when I read Shampoo Planet. And when did "face to face' suddenly become cyberspeak. Did I use it before the internet existed? I don't know.

helen fordsdale, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nick discovered by science that my brane = chinese room w. derrida dealing the cue-cards :(

duck s, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

other board?

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I recycle everything - on boards, off boards, in email, mailing lists, real life conversations...

If fact, some people have gone so far as to suggest I'm not a real person at all, but a random phrase generator programmed to just spew out random "kate-like" phrases at random intervals.

So how you like talking to a computer?

kate, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess, I had a quick look at the piece and I thought the man's slam was offhand and harsh. He's cannibalizing you, if anything, insofar as one blog (ooh, I hate that word) uses another as bait or bounce-off material.

I know what you mean, though. It's easy to feel clotted up in thoughts and words. I'm only writing One Thing* and I often feel trapped in my own rhetoric and painfully tiny concept-world, and especially in a shrinking back alley of vocabulary. I know, though, that that's kind of an inevitable function of groping round for the pivotal things that matter at any given point and that likely you'll work through it. Often in retrospect you find that from the new 'outside' the ideas-trap wasn't as tight as it felt, and that as you pursued the central things you side segued into loads of escape routes and invoked tons of free-er moments and ideas along the way.

*By which I mean I am often aghast at the sheer volume a lot of you produce as critics and bloggers and so on. So Jess, maybe you could stop for just a little while? Or make some experiments in finely honed minimalism?

Ellie, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The specific point of Let's Build A Car as I get it anyway is instant reviews, though - stuff jotted down about whatever you're listening to. In other words it's a place to be lazy and uninsightful sometimes, to just spin out words hoping a handful of good ones turn up. (I'm saying this based on your credit to 1000 as an inspiration!)

Tom, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i. Never use a metaphor, simile or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
ii. Never use a long word where a short one will do.
iii. If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
iv. Never use the passive where you can use the active.
v. Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
vi. Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

from George Orwell's Politics and the English Language

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I love you, Kate.

Maria, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The problem is Tracer that in music criticism every word is frivolous.

Tom, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

How barbarous.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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