How easy is it to win the U.S Green Card Lottery?

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Does nationality make a difference? As a European, are the odds akin to winning the normal lottery?

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 09:31 (twenty years ago)

When I looked into this the odds were roughly 1000/1, I think. But also, some countries' citizens aren't allowed to apply - this changes every year. ALSO, the application forms are a nightmare - if you use the wrong size staples or other such irrelevancies, it gets thrown in the bin.

On the other hand, it's free - what have you got to lose? DON'T sign up with any organisation that charges you for the privilege of submitting an application - they're expensive and unnecessary.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 09:36 (twenty years ago)

A friend of mine submitted 1000 applications, or some such figure. Anyway, I worked out his odds were now 5/1 of winning one. He thought that was too low oddswise, but he did get one, so go figure. (He lives there now obviously)

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

If you're from the UK, and weren't born in Northern Ireland, then you've been out of luck for the past few years, although, as Markelby says, the list does change, so maybe next year, it'll be open to the rest of the coutnry (although I doubt it).

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 09:42 (twenty years ago)

I doubt it too. The lottery was made to balance out the nationalities immigrating into the US as the UK and other nationalities were over-represented.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 09:44 (twenty years ago)

Yup. When I was looking into it a few years ago, I would have been able to apply as I have an Italian parent - had I been purely British I'd have been disqualified. But aren't you French, Baaderonix? Or do I just assume that because of your Asterix-style name?

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

That's correct. I also have a norwegian passport in case the French are not welcome anymore...
So you can actually apply as many times as you wnat to this thing? Does anyone know whether it is easier for certain nationals to get it or is it a completely blind draw?

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

The proper site for the lottery is http://www.dvlottery.state.gov/, which is a good resource (my mother is from NI, and she applied last year).

You're only supposed to enter once, and since they've now switched to a computer-based system, I wouldn't try and game the system, as I imagine they'll find you out fairly quickly. Good luck! (oh, and you'll have to wait a few months until it starts up again for next year)

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

When my friend did it, it was allowed.

So, check the small print, although if you can now apply online, I guess that would be too easy to do so they probably have banned it.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

A much more certain way than the lotto to get a visa is to get a job in advance of your move. If you have a good reason to be in the US, you ought to be able to go sans lots of trouble. This is pretty true of Americans going to Europe. Going without some way to support yourself is quite difficult, but if you have a job, it's really just a question of going through the administrative paperwork.

émigré (you better believe it), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

But surely that would only get you in on a H1-B visa? Which isn't quite as nice as the full Green Card, as I think that if your job disappears for whatever reason, you have to leave America fairly sharpish…

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

Also, I have the impression that, unless you have really really special skillz, employers will require a working permit before hiring you

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

we've had this discussion before i think.. the last time i looked the lottery was done in january for this year, and won't be again until next year?

it sounds incredibly hard and yes most countries don't get allocated now because as someone said the whole idea of it is to encourage diversity. i can do it because i was born in hong kong. but uk isn't in the list.

and yes, it's FREE to apply, anything you have to pay for is bullshit.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

isn't it just easier to prove you can do something nobody else can to get a green card?

I can swallow a whole apple without chewing.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

can anyone answer a question for me

if uh... a guy i know

lived in the US when he was really young (between ages 1-7) and had a green card and he still has it... a "resident alien" card with no expiry date on it (important part)

can that guy renew it even if he hasn't lived in the US for over 2 decades?

sir gaga (s1ocki), Sunday, 9 May 2010 01:38 (sixteen years ago)

no, you gotta start all over. green card is for "permanent residents" and you showed you wanted to be a permanent resident elsewhere.
btw i think 'how do i get a reentry permit' looks helpful http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=645466e7d9fd4210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=7cd99ddf801b3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

Guns, Computer, The Internet (harbl), Sunday, 9 May 2010 01:52 (sixteen years ago)

you mean my friend

sir gaga (s1ocki), Sunday, 9 May 2010 02:09 (sixteen years ago)

what if it's a really cute picture on the original green card

sir gaga (s1ocki), Sunday, 9 May 2010 02:10 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, there is a residency requirement attached to green cards:

(from NSCIS website)

You may be found to have abandoned your permanent resident status if you:

* Move to another country intending to live there permanently
* Remain outside of the United States for more than 1 year without obtaining a reentry permit or returning resident visa. However, in determining whether your status has been abandoned, any length of absence from the United States may be considered, even if less than 1 year
* Remain outside of the United States for more than 2 years after issuance of a reentry permit without obtaining a returning resident visa. However, in determining whether your status has been abandoned any length of absence from the United States may be considered, even if less than 1 year
* Fail to file income tax returns while living outside of the United States for any period
* Declare yourself a “nonimmigrant” on your tax returns

Super Cub, Sunday, 9 May 2010 02:32 (sixteen years ago)

but would it make it easier for someone to re-up?

sir gaga (s1ocki), Sunday, 9 May 2010 14:42 (sixteen years ago)

i think it depends of how your applying? assuming you were granted the visa initially bcuz one of your parents was a citizen or had permanent residency now that your over 21 u dont have the same status. you can still apply but u dont automatically qualify. if one of your parents is still a us citizen u get priority & itll be easier to qualify iirc

but if your applying through a job or for work then the reason for granting u the visa is different so the previous status doesnt matter

coining (Lamp), Sunday, 9 May 2010 15:18 (sixteen years ago)

what if it's a really cute picture on the original green card

― sir gaga (s1ocki), Saturday, May 8, 2010 10:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

^ can somebody answer this

sir gaga (s1ocki), Sunday, 9 May 2010 16:06 (sixteen years ago)


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